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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 5:37 PM
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Jim Phillips and the ACC don't even get a seat at the kiddie table. SHocking
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 6:19 PM
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It's evident folks want to watch big games. This will add a lot of extra money to the Big and SEC. Can you imagine during the regular season Georgia vs. Ohio State, LSU vs Wisconsin, Texas vs. Penn State, Tennessee vs. Michigan, Oklahoma vs. Southern Cal, Bama vs. Oregon, Texas A&M vs. Michigan State, Florida vs. Iowa, etc?? This would overshadow anything and provide big money.
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Tiger Spirit [9169]
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 6:35 PM
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Too bad they exclude elite teams in these endeavors of SEC/B1G only, like one program we’re partial to on this site..
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 6:26 PM
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By 2027 this scheduling will begin. Both conferences are now going to quit scheduling any games with ND. THEY ARE ALSO going to figure a way to keep ND from getting a CFP spot. The P2 conferences are tired of ND not being in a conference. At this stage, I don't think Sanky or Petiti care what conference ND joins.
When they start scheduling each other, they will add teams to their conference to give them more marquee match ups. FSU, CLEMSON, MIAMI, are 3 teams that would add to the marquee agenda.
Since the marquee games will result in the best teams acquiring losses, and the undefeated teams in P2 will be almost zero, the two conferences will insist on 4 auto CFP slots for each conference. The conference champion and 3 add. auto slots.
They could get a 5th at large spot.
In addition to the marquee games, the two conferences may play a playoff series to determine the conference champion and the remaining auto slots. That would add a few games to the schedule but would also add a big amount to the TV contract. Since the schools are going to have to start paying players, the teams are going to start getting as much playing time out of them as possible to generate the revenue needed to pay that 22 million a year revenue sharing bill. I can easily see a 18 game schedule from opening day game to CFP championship game for the P2 conferences.i suspect the other 2 conferences will follow suit if they survive.
I'm liking it.
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CU Medallion [19573]
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
Oct 16, 2024, 8:26 AM
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Those assumptions are kinda out there. I’m going to address the most egregious: Notre Dame. For one, USC (B1G) is a protected rivalry. Your astronomical assumption this is a direct target to cripple Notre Dame is hilarious. No school or conference would turn down playing Notre Dame. Two, NBC and Notre Dame are tied at the hip more than the B1G is tied to NBC. Notre Dame makes more NBC money than six B1G schools combined. They are independent because they make more money than most schools.
Next, a maximum of 20 B1G/SEC matchups are possible considering the SEC drops a regular season matchup. Who wants to watch Indiana vs Vanderbilt? Rutgers vs SC? And quite a few other pedestrian teams in both leagues? No one.
You’re actually rooting for a college football monopoly. SMH. May as well call it NFL Jr.
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
Oct 16, 2024, 9:12 AM
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It's already a football monopoly. My assumptions are more realistic than yours. If you think Sanky and Petiti now give a hoot about ND, you need to rethink it. ND adds nothing to the SEC OR BIG. OR THE ACC. ND IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN ALL ABOUT ND. The P2 conferences are not going to cut any of their long time members. They may implement a plan in which some members get more than others, like CLEMSON AND FSU want from the ACC.
By the way,the SEC AND BIG HAVE SAID NO TO THIS PLAN COOKED UP BY ND.
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 6:42 PM
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Honestly, the best thing fans of the ACC, and Big 12 for that matter, can do is not watch SEC and B1G games.
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 6:53 PM
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I can see with the P2's bigger stadiums just one round of play would put between 750,00 and one million fans in the seats. That's a lot of revenue just from ticket, parking and concessions sales alone. The tv package for this would be enormous This can be huge
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 8:08 PM
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Unless they are playing an extra game that’s not incremental income you are talking about. They would play game and largely fill the stadium any way.
At most you may get a few points from going from 98% to 100% sold out
The money is in the TV. Not the tickets, parking and concessions.
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Add a few teams and we have the NFL mini. It is inevitable and Clemson
Oct 15, 2024, 7:25 PM
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will be included. Somehow.
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Re: Add a few teams and we have the NFL mini. It is inevitable and Clemson
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Oct 15, 2024, 8:11 PM
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When do the ACC and Big 12 file an antitrust suit?
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Re: Add a few teams and we have the NFL mini. It is inevitable and Clemson
Oct 16, 2024, 6:25 AM
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I'm not a lawyer but they could be getting into that territory. They certainly don't have the protection of MLB.
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Varsity [104]
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Doubtful that there would be legal standing for that.
Oct 16, 2024, 7:05 AM
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There are too many schools in too many other places. The new P2 wouldn't be a monopoly, even in the SEC footprint.
The plan wouldn't stop anyone from supporting the ACC or Clemson.
If the argument is "competitive disadvantage", we've have been there since that stupid GOR was signed.
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Re: Doubtful that there would be legal standing for that.
Oct 16, 2024, 7:10 AM
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"The new P2 wouldn't be a monopoly, even in the SEC footprint."
But add in the new B10 footprint and now we're talking a large swath of America in the most populated States. I think we'd have a major argument.
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Varsity [104]
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Still not a P2 monopoly.
Oct 16, 2024, 10:22 AM
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The BIG footprint overlaps the MAC, the Big 12, the PAC 12/2/6 and ACC.
A competitive advantage because of their large fan bases, absolutely. A monopoly or illegal trust? Very doubtful.
Their footprint overlaps are P2 Exhibit #1.
The areas are so intermingled that claiming a monopoly is highly doubtful and proving it to the legal standard is almost impossible.
Remember, going after market share isn't anti competitive. That's what the P2 are doing, but they've obviously thought it through.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: More on footprints...Overlap, continued
Oct 16, 2024, 10:28 AM
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AAC/SEC/ACC - Florida, Texas, Tennessee
Etc.
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I do not believe Clemson will be in tier one.
Oct 16, 2024, 7:33 AM
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Tier two is the best we'll get. This new system, if instituted, is build on tv audiences which relates to numbers of fans not history of winning. It goes with the demand.
THe greatest example of this is ND. ND will be included because people all across the world watch ND football. That's why they have an independent contract with NBC.
Clemson, while having the best of all fans, just doesn't have the demand for eyes on the screen. The talk of 'best of the best of the best, with honors, SIR!' is horsechit!
It's about money, advertising and commercialism, not football.
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Varsity [104]
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I reluctantly agree re: Clemson.
Oct 16, 2024, 10:53 AM
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I disagree in Notre Dame.
They are locked into the SEC GOR I'm every sport except football and hockey.
They are locked in to their NBC contract for football until 2030.
Those are probably dealbreakers for them joining the P2.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 8:47 PM
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I guess we can forget our future games with UGA (29,30,32,33) as well as Oklahoma (35,36).
I was looking at future schedules and UGA has Clemson and Ohio State scheduled non con in 2030. No way that stands.
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 15, 2024, 8:49 PM
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We have plenty of money for the Athletic Department budget. It is up to supporters to pony up for the NIL Collective.
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This would likely end future OOC games against UGA, etc for us***
Oct 15, 2024, 11:55 PM
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At the minimum...the ACC/SEC state rivalries would be in jeopardy as well if
Oct 16, 2024, 12:38 AM
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they go to 9 game conference slates
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
Oct 16, 2024, 4:47 AM
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"Four schools in the SEC (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky) have games against instate rivals from the ACC they want to protect,"
^ great!
"Four of those schools (Florida, Georgia, USC, Oregon) are major TV draws and critical to any offer of nonconference games to media rights partners."
How can SC/NC be left out as "Major TV Draws"?
The Upstate to Charlotte is riddled with Tigers and that other school. Has to be a top 15 to 20 TV market for CFB!
I love how this forces notre lame to join a conference, which I would assume then make them bring all sports to the new conference and even further weaken the ACC. Which in turn could be used to show good cause for a Judge to release us from the ACC.
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Varsity [104]
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Notre Dame is locked into the ACC GOR
Oct 16, 2024, 7:08 AM
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in every sport except football and hockey.
They're locked into their NBC contract for football until 2030
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More shakeup coming. Well be alright!***
Oct 16, 2024, 5:32 AM
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Re: More shakeup coming. Well be alright!***
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Oct 16, 2024, 6:59 AM
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I have to think we are being considered during the conversations. Obviously they're looking out for the SEC/B1G brands 1st, then thinking how they can aquire a few more high profile schools to up said brands. Clemson, FSU, ND and probably a NC/VA school.
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
Oct 16, 2024, 7:27 AM
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I guess the ACC better get on the pac-12 scheduling alliance deal!
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Varsity [104]
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Big 12 and cherry pick some AAC teams
Oct 16, 2024, 10:54 AM
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Memphis and Tulane.
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CU Medallion [19573]
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Oct 16, 2024, 8:16 AM
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We do t have a huge $ gap. TV revenue is just one puzzle piece. We have one of the biggest NIL chests in college football. #17 to be exact. We also have a pretty strong donor base. We haven’t had to borrow money for a new project in a long time. Most paid for by private donations. We may lack in TV revenue compared to the SEC but our ledger looks better than most SEC/B1G schools.
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Then why are we trying so desperately to get out of the ACC and into one of
Oct 16, 2024, 3:25 PM
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these two conferences?
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I don't know the details of the final alignment. But, I am confident...
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Oct 16, 2024, 11:00 AM
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.... that the "Tier 1" schools will be exclusively from the P2 conferences.
Clemson and FSU were being very proactive when they filed suit against ACC. They both recognize they have to get into one of those two conferences, which means they have to get out of ACC first.
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Re: I don't know the details of the final alignment. But, I am confident...
Oct 16, 2024, 1:48 PM
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I saw on the Oklahoma board someone said every game this season which has had more than 5 million viewers has involved either the SEC or Big 10 and some of those are 10 million viewer games. Both of the P2 conferences sees big money playing each other in the future with quality games.
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Re: This is a disturbing development...They have figured out a way to make the $ gap
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Well its smart move on their part. They are likely going to charge a premium for tickets for both conferences, so you need to try and match that with a premium product. I am not going to touch the TV/ viewership/ aspect. I am just going to look at it from the standpoint of ticket prices. Replacing a Furman or Troy type game with a B1G or SEC team will help in regards to supporting existing and future ticket prices and increases.
Regardless of which conference you are in, ticket prices are going to increase to help offset the additional cost of paying the players. The announcement that the Clemson board is reviewing a proposed Athletic Fee to include to all students is a sign to me that ticket prices are going to increase at a minium of 20% for next season for us (Clemson).
I hope Clemson really starts focusing on our home schedule. We have to get better games to support the ticket prices they (Clemson) are getting ready to push out. This years slate of games, did not measure up. And I think that is apparent with the number of adds on Tigernet, stubhub, seatgeek, etc. People dont want to pay $200 for a lower deck ticket to see us play Stanford. Or UVA. Or App State.
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