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Thinking way outside the box on the transfer portal.
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Dec 21, 2024, 9:45 AM
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Just had this thought.
To satisfy the courts do not limit the number of transfers a player can have. Do not limit his ability to transfer and play immediately. (Not midseason, but not having to sit out a year.)
Just make this simple rule.
A university can offer 125 scholarships over a 60 month period.
That's it. No exceptions, no "what ifs", no "But, what abouts."
You go all in (a la Colorado or SMU or FSU) and sign 20 kids in the portal? Then those kids count against you 125 limit for 60 months from the day you sign them. (You could set up a signing date for portals just like you do for HS kids. December portal day is 12/30; Spring portal day is 5/15. Something like that.)
So FSU can sign Thomas Castallanos. He plays for 1 year. He counts against the 125 for 5 years. FSU has to decide if he's worth it. Same way with Oregon and Bo Nix or Miami and Cam Ward, or Texas and Quinn Ewers or Notre Dame and Riley Leonard.
Do not restrict the players leaving in any way. They can transfer to any team that will sign them.
Somebody will come up with all kinds of reasons why this will never work and is a bad idea. Feel free to blast me. I'm sincerely curious as to why it is a bad idea.
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Re: Thinking way outside the box on the transfer portal.
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
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I haven't had time to think this through, but I think one issue might be that the lesser programs trying to get better would suffer more. If initially they can't compete for better players and have to sign lesser players, then they are stuck with them for a longer period of time, and essentially lock themselves into mediocrity. If a CO team had been locked into all those guys they signed under Deion in his first year, he would have had fewer slots to try and upgrade from there, and doubtful his year 2 would have been as productive.
Top Tier programs can still attract top talent so if they have to live with them longer, then they are not hurt as bad. To me, it just seems like you run the risk of fewer teams being really competitive and the rest never really improving enough to crack that ceiling.
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Re: Thinking way outside the box on the transfer portal.
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
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If I'm understanding correctly, that's 25 scholarships per year. Using Clemson as an example since I don't closely follow other teams, our transfer outs would still count against our limit? We had a small signing class this year since we are a younger team. Even with that small class plus the transfer ins and the transfer outs it would be close to 25. Perhaps a little more than 125 would be needed. Or it could limit the number of high school recruits.
But even if the NCAA made it a rule, it would be pages long like other rules. They can't do anything simple. They would probably have exemptions for players that can no longer play due to medical reasons. And other exemptions would be added later. They would take your idea and water it down so much that we would be back to where we started. I have no faith in the NCAA to do much of anything.
I like the idea of some kind of limits though. But as you stated since it can't limit the players in anyway, the courts would just say this would limit the players. If player A wanted to go to Clemson and we wanted him, and only had 120 players but hit the cap on new scholarships, that limits player A.
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Good points. But, we limit players now.
Dec 21, 2024, 10:22 AM
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That's where the 85 scholarship limit comes from. Decades ago, there were no limits. Bear Bryant would sign as many kids as he wanted. He would sign kids just so they wouldn't sign with other schools (like Auburn). That's when the SEC placed limits on the nimber of ships a school could have. (And, that is the reason that GA Tech used to get out of the SEC. "It takes our guys 5 years to graduate. We can't be limited to 85 ships (or whatever the SEC limit was). We have to offer more ships because we are an engineering school."
Clemson can't sign 40 kids even if they want the kids and the kids all want to come to Clemson.
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Why the obsession with limiting other people's freedom
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:11 AM
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of movement?
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Re: Why the obsession with limiting other people's freedom
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:12 AM
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Welcome back…
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Why does every professional sports league limit people's freedom?
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:17 AM
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They all do it.
Using your logic, if Quinn Ewers got hurt in the first quarter, Cade should be able to change jerseys and play for Texas the rest of the game.
We all agree that there should be some restriction on player movement, we just disagree where the line should be drawn.
Curious, where would you draw the line? Should a player be allowed to transfer in midseason? Should be be allowed to transfer twice or three times in the same season? If your answer is "No" why not? Why do you want to limit his freedom?
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Re: Why does every professional sports league limit people's freedom?
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Dec 21, 2024, 10:19 AM
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Re: Thinking way outside the box on the transfer portal.
Dec 21, 2024, 10:14 AM
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I love the fact that people are thinking outside the box, and I think there could be some possibilities from an idea like this.
However, you would need to protect the smaller schools that already lose their top talent to bigger schools. In your hypothetical, wouldn’t BC also be punished if their QB goes to FSU? They still have to count him toward their scholarship limit and they gained nothing by his departure.
FSU would have to decide if the player is worth the cost of a 60 mo scholarship. BC would get no such choice and still lose a scholarship.
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Yes, but in my scenario...
Dec 21, 2024, 10:27 AM
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.... would Castallanos leave BC with only one year left? Where would he go if no one would take him?
There would still be people leaving. But, I suspect it would be far fewer than are leaving now.
Heck, FSU has a guy on campus this weekend for a visit. He is in the portal. He will be playing for his 4th team in 4 years. Would all those schools have signed him if they knew he was going to count for 5 years? I strongly doubt teams would be going after "1 year rentals" if they knew they had payments for 5 years.
Would you rent a house knowing you had to move out in one year but keep paying rent on it 4 years after you moved out?
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Let them sign a contract like the pro's
Dec 21, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Then they would be "bound" to the school unless "cut" or traded. The school/player would agree on the length of the contract. Obviously NIL money would be based on the length of the contract. If a player transfers after the contract expires he would no longer count against the roster limit.
In other words stop all the charade games and make it a professional league.
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Re: Let them sign a contract like the pro's
Dec 21, 2024, 10:47 AM
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Its essentially a semi-professional league now after the JUCO ruling this week. You have "student"-athletes getting paid, transfer when they want and can play nearly as long as they want.
I heard, although never confirmed it, that Bryce Underwood's $10M Michigan deal requires him to stay there 3 years.
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