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Playmaker [385]
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Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
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Jul 4, 2025, 1:46 PM
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In both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution..while the Democratic Political PARTY uses it daily.
Our Founders distrusted normal Roman or Greek democracy since it gave power to the majority (51%) while the minority had no recourse or rights..
Thus our democratic representative constitutional Republic where the Constitution and Bill of Rights gave the minority power to engage and be heard.
Also, our Founders knew that the term Democracy meant a certain type of political philosophy and avoided it like the plague.
So, why do DEMs use the word "democracy" daily in a chorus as if we are losing it?
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Orange Blooded [2566]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
Jul 4, 2025, 2:38 PM
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I am glad you're still alive.
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Commissioner [1209]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
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Jul 4, 2025, 3:42 PM
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We didn't have a real democracy at first. Only landowners could vote and that was controlled by the states. Do you own more than 50 acres? If so, you could vote in SC. The rules varied from state to state.
Jefferson's democratic movement gradually resulted in all white men being able to vote by first reducing the property thresholds and in some cases replacing them with taxpayer status, and then slowly removing most requirements. By the Civil War, almost all white men could vote, but there were still places with property requirements. After the civil war, black men could vote, but states could use literacy tests, poll taxes, and other scams to stop them. In 1920, women could vote, but the same scams could be used to stop them. It wasn't until the 1960s that we had close to a democracy when the poll taxes, literacy tests, and such were outlawed.
So if you want to return back to the founders, think about the consequences. Trump was elected because poorer, uneducated people chose him over the Democracy advocate by a wide margin, while she won the wealthier, educated people. A large proportion of Trump voters would have been ineligible by the rules in place.
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TigerNet HOFer [122679]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
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Jul 4, 2025, 3:52 PM
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A Republic is a representative form of Democracy you old codger. On that topic, other words not mentioned in the Constitution are Jesus, Christian nation, Capitalism, Small government, Executive orders, Family values, One nation under God, and Retirement Home.
HTH
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Commissioner [1209]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
Jul 4, 2025, 4:55 PM
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The constitution was originally just about the form of government and adding in a bill of rights to add to the assumed rights from the English bill of rights (at Jefferson's insistence). The declaration does include that statement, "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," which is the gist of his belief in democracy.
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Starter [295]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
Jul 5, 2025, 1:21 PM
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We were founded and constructed as a Republic. That it is easy to understand if one can read at a fifth grade level and has an IQ of 85+.
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TigerNet Icon [154895]
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And when you get to 8th grade, youll learn about classification hierarchies.
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Jul 5, 2025, 2:06 PM
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A palmetto tree is one of many types of palm trees. Bourbon is one of many different whiskies. Communism is a relatively extreme offshoot of socialism.
And a constitutional republic is one of many forms of democracies.
Stop being dumb.
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Playmaker [366]
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They cant stop being dumb.
Jul 5, 2025, 2:18 PM
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It’s in the MAGA DNA.
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Orange Elite [5241]
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Orange Elite [5241]
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Re: And when you get to 8th grade, youll learn about classification hierarchies.
Jul 5, 2025, 2:42 PM
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Dear Einstein,
I've seen two very alarming signs from the Party that screams the most about losing our Democracy.
Exhibit 1: Bernie Sanders is cheated out of a Primary win by his own party in 2016.
Exhibit 2: The Democrat Party decides not to hold a Primary in 2024.
Wake up and see reality for a change.
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Orange Blooded [2566]
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Re: And when you get to 8th grade, youll learn about classification hierarchies.
Jul 5, 2025, 4:30 PM
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How was Bernie ripped off?
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Starter [295]
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Re: And when you get to 8th grade, youll learn about classification hierarchies.
Jul 5, 2025, 4:57 PM
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Do some news media archive searches
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Orange Blooded [2566]
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Re: And when you get to 8th grade, youll learn about classification hierarchies.
Jul 5, 2025, 5:04 PM
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The Dems wanted Hillary, but Bernie still lost in the primary. Hillary was in control of the cash, but he still would have most imo.
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110%er [3779]
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please continue to expound, I've never read this before
Jul 4, 2025, 4:04 PM
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......fascinating
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Valley Legend [12394]
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yo scok, go pound sand. Is independence in it for all of us independents?***
Jul 4, 2025, 4:08 PM
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Orange Immortal [66163]
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The way "democracy" is most often used, it does not refer to a strict,
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Jul 4, 2025, 6:20 PM
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literal democracy in which every citizen votes on every issue, yet nimrods who think they've discovered a clever "gotcha" keep shouting about a constitutional republic. "Democracy" can and usually does simply mean a system of government in which citizens vote and therefore have a voice and a role in what their government looks like and does, as opposed to a monarchy or dictatorship where they have no voice.
You are whalecum.
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Clemson Icon [26250]
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Re: The way "democracy" is most often used, it does not refer to a strict,
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Jul 5, 2025, 12:49 AM
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If only. It is now most often used in place of the word 'fair'. Rather than whining about something we dont like being not fair, we now say its not democracy. In another year the word wont mean anything.
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Starter [295]
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Dynasty Maker [3420]
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We're a Republic and a Democracy. We're both....
Jul 5, 2025, 8:50 AM
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It's imperfect and it's messy. But that's what we are.
A Republic is an entity of the people and a Democracy is power to the people. They're almost interchangeable in their original latin & greek.
The Founders didn't want us ruled by a King. (ahem)
The Founders established a House of Representatives, who were/are elected by the people. They also esablished a Senate and a Presidency, and eventually the people elected them as well. The people in the states now elect their Senators. The Electoral College is determined by the voters in each state.
Of course, it took about 200 years for our Democracy to be as inclusive as it should've always been. Black people and women and non-property-owner white males were originally excluded, but overtime were allowed into the game.
But we are a Democracy. Why on Earth do MAGAts keep insisting we aren't what they know deep down we are?
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Starter [295]
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Re: We're a Republic and a Democracy. We're both....
Jul 5, 2025, 1:29 PM
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Why can't Dems admit that we are not a Democracy even though deep down they know we're not?
Democrat Party
Republican Party
¿Comprendo.
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Yes, Democracy is very stupid.***
Jul 5, 2025, 10:47 AM
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Orange Blooded [2566]
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Re: Yes, Democracy is very stupid.***
Jul 5, 2025, 11:01 AM
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Why?
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Valley Legend [12394]
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BillyCrap- you watch the bbb ssigning yesterday? interesting that the
Jul 5, 2025, 11:10 AM
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prez used your D word many times.
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Orange Blooded [2566]
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Re: BillyCrap- you watch the bbb ssigning yesterday? interesting that the
Jul 5, 2025, 11:14 AM
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What's odd is how lbb doesn't want it to be a democracy. Its weird.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [109645]
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13 states founded our country.
Jul 5, 2025, 11:42 AM
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Only the 50 states now, can save it.
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Ultimate Tiger [36249]
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The US has become more democratic over time.
Jul 5, 2025, 1:18 PM
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The vote was expanded from white landowners to all adult citizens. US Senators went from being selected by State legislatures to directly by the people. Choosing legislators and even the US President went from undemocratic to virtually or fully democratic now.
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Bill making the case that some people are too stupid to vote.***
Jul 5, 2025, 2:54 PM
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
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Jul 5, 2025, 4:19 PM
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To play devils advocate, 'Christianity' is mentioned zero times in any of our founding documents. However, the state of Louisiana and the state of Texas have passed laws mandating there display in public classrooms. To the contrary, the establishment clause is mentioned in the very first amendment. If you are trying to make an argument for small government you're argument is falling flat. Puting power in the hands of the people, to vote and choose their elected officials, is as American a principle as it gets. No where in the Constitution is there a mention of the internet, AR15's, aviation, internal combustion engines, electricity, cell phones, etc. The absence of a word is not the equal to the absebce of its capacity. To hang your argument on the fact the word is not mentioned as the basis for it not being a central tenant to the American Democratic experiment is a travesty. Democracy, whether for or against conservative or liberal candidates, is a central hallmark of the American governemental construct. To say otherwise is false.
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Starter [295]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
Jul 5, 2025, 5:02 PM
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The Separation of Church and State is to prevent a Theocracy. Having the 10 commandments posted in Federal or State Courthouses does not even lean toward the establishment of a Theocratic form of Government .
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Head Coach [977]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
Jul 6, 2025, 2:32 AM
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Than we need to post other religious tenants in public spaces as well. The establishment clause is their to prevent government interference in religious participation. Remember when the pilgrims wanted to practice religion free from the government sanctioned Church of England? Having the government pass laws that present the requirement to post the teaching of one religion but not any others IS government interference in religion. Whether you are a follower of the said religion is irrelevant. True small government is a government that remains free from establishing legal norms in regards to religion allowing the individual to determine for themselves the own religious path.
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Head Coach [977]
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
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Jul 5, 2025, 4:28 PM
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What you are describing is called 'Populism'. It's why the founding fathers put certain checks into the American Democratic process. We have a 2 headed legislative branch. The house of Representatives being a representation of population. The senate being an equality of all states, and the upper chamber. Additionally, the electoral college serves as a means of protection against Populism. A majority of people alone does not guarantee election to the presidency. A plurality of states, equal to 270 votes must be achieved. You are correct in the founding fathers fear, but wrong in describing them as attributed solely to Democracy. Moreover, the minority you describe was entrusted to the land owning and intellectually elite of the day. Our founding fathers had a distrust that the average citizen could be trusted with the necessary understanding of government. That's why we are a representative democracy. My degree frok Clemson may or may not be Political Science...and no, im not a far left liberal.
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Re: Word DEMOCRACY was used O times by Founders
Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM
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Oh the horror to use a word that was not used by our Founders. 😲
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