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College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 26, 2025, 3:36 PM
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I'm sure I sound like an old 53-year old grump, with a redundant complaint, but what are we doing?
The transfer portal is slowing losing my beloved passion for college sports.
No loyalty, greed, athletes transferring everywhere (multiple times), unfamiliar rosters each season, recruiting bidding wars, etc, etc. I used to enjoy the pureness of it. It's sad.
My 0.02. Maybe I'm just having a bad Wednesday.
Go Tigers, Bills and Yankees.
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Sure, it sounds grumpy, but things are changing. In one way, this is long overdue, given how colleges have treated collegiate athletes. Combine that with the money grab going on with conferences, and it's no longer recognizable. I predict that there will be a phase in the not too distant future where some schools downgrade from power 4 conferences. It may be voluntary because they can't keep up with the major programs, or it might be forced upon the weaker schools so the bigger ones take even more money.
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Yes poor college athletes, treated like kings, woe is me. Good grief.***
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Paw Master [16609]
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I will never NOT laugh at "how college athletes were treated".
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:32 AM
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I just love the effort some people (not saying you...but some people) put in trying to create this "victim" label for college athletes. None of whom were forced to play sports in college. All of whom were welcome to just enter the college experience like most of the rest of us...based on our grades and application quality, and paying whatever the college said to pay.
But instead they got free tuition, room, board and effectively a small stipend through federal grant programs. They got preferential housing, registration and free tutoring. They got to be a part of a program and develop life-long connections, have fun playing the game they loved and had a leg-up in post-graduation with an alumni network. Heck, if they played their cards right, they got a masters paid for as well. For the few that had professional sports in their future, they had the best coaches, equipment, conditioning and nutrition programs that money could buy.
And no doubt they worked hard and they sacrificed. US News & World Report says that out-of-state tuition for five years at Clemson (since you can redshirt) would amount to $295k ($59k per year). Southern Cal would run you about $425k. I realize most students don't pay all that, but that's the value of the education. All free.
There's a reason Austin Peay and Kent State have never had to beg kids on campus to accept one of their football or basketball scholarships. Because it was a heck of a deal. No school was ever walking around at the end of signing period begging ANYONE to take a scholarship. Every year tens of thousands of high school athletes had their hearts broken because there was no offer for them.
And I agree with you about schools downgrading out of the top level of NCAA sports in the not-to-distant future. And I imagine it will be those who can't keep up...because Heaven knows that no one at any university would have the audacity to say "Wait a minute...none of this makes sense or fits with what our institution or college athletics in general was intended to be" and walk away from the never ending pursuit for the most sports money and the highest level of...whatever this has become.
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Its inarguable. Thank God Bluffton's insufferable BS has been banned.***
Mar 27, 2025, 10:54 AM
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Yes Swarley
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Mar 28, 2025, 12:27 PM
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And you forgot the players have tutors who coach/handle their assignments/papers/projects/tests online. And preferential admittance to classes whose professors love football and giving A's. Not a bad gig.
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Solid Orange [1381]
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Wait, Clemson fraudulently gets them degrees by having others take their
Mar 28, 2025, 2:12 PM
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tests? This would be new to me, but I guess I wouldnt be completely shocked.
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Legend [6832]
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Solid Orange [1381]
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Still partially caused by those in chargeif they acknowledge and surrender
Mar 28, 2025, 2:16 PM
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that players are employees, then negotiations for rules could start. But currently those in power positions see more gold at the end of the rainbow for themselves and those who they represent. Take Sankey for example, neither he nor the SEC members seem to have any problem with driving the sport into a place that breaks the backs of most programs prior to relenting and setting rules, and quite clearly they will be better off that way.
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Orange Blooded [2158]
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 5:12 PM
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oh the horrors of a free education, free housing, free food, free tutoring, free gym, personal development and for some pre NFL development... ohhh the humanity!
The revenue sports fund the non revenue sports. So when Gymnastics and WBB and Track and Field and other sports are shut down because the are no longer affordable then what?
I would be fine with the money if the athletes then had to pay their own way...
It's a sport.
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CU Guru [1518]
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
Mar 28, 2025, 2:17 PM
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Yes, those poor pitiful and abused college athletes. How they have been so
mistreated by getting free food and lodging and a free college education. Not
to mention tutoring so they can get their degrees in Sociology.
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Orange Elite [5159]
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The only thing is disagree with here is
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Mar 26, 2025, 3:52 PM
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"Bills and Yankees." (I'm from Texas -- the Dallas part of Texas, to be precise.)
I'm old enough to remember a simpler time. A time when college athletes got paid the good ol' fashioned way -- a wad of bills in a McDonald's paper bag.
But that was one-off stuff. Barry Switzer stuff -- not the sort of industrialized graft and grift we see today.
And now that it's been ratified and codified, the only reason I'll bother to go to Clemson football or basketball games in the coming years while my daughter's a student there is because we are blessed to have family members who give us their tickets on the regular.
Otherwise, I'd watch from home and give my disposable income to charity. I can't abide the idea of giving money to a collective for some kid who doesn't give a crap about the university to go buy himself a Porsche.
Maybe that's a little too cynical a take. Probably is. But I'm 100% on your page.
I'll still go to baseball and soccer games ... those kids for the most part aren't getting paid.
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
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Mar 27, 2025, 9:16 AM
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" I can't abide the idea of giving money to a collective for some kid who doesn't give a crap about the university to go buy himself a Porsche."
You are out of touch with reality.
Dabo Swinney makes 10 million dollars a year. Universities make million upon millions of dollars a year off the backs of these players.
Give me one good reason why they shouldn't get a piece of that pie?
If you want to treat these athletes like they are just students, let's pay Dabo like he's just a professor.
How bout that?
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Legend [6952]
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
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Mar 27, 2025, 9:21 AM
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I am all for kids making money but its the lopsided-ness to it that most seem to have an issue with. Everywhere else in sports where we are talking this amount of money, there are guarantees. In this college world its complete one sided.
Now on your view of coaches, most of them have worked longer than these kids have been alive to be able to command that kind of money and even then its only a small % of the college coaching ranks. So to use coaches as an argument completely negates the amount of work and dedication that they have put in.
That would be like a smart kid straight out of high school demanding to be paid as much as the company CEO, even though his experience is severely limited.
Would you personally be OK with hiring a HS kid to work for/with you at your same salary?
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Orange Elite [5159]
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Well, a couple of things.
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:19 AM
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1. I believe I said in another post that I support letting the market decide player value. And that I can support it without being particularly happy about it. We all have to adapt all the time to realities that we don't love but can't change.
2. I grow weary of the soap box take that follows a general theme of "the kids should get paid because the coaches are getting paid. Or the coaches shouldn't get paid if the kids aren't getting paid."
It's a false equivalency. I get paid $101,000 a year to do what I do for my boss, who gets paid $145,000 to do what he does for his boss, who gets paid $300,000 a year to do what he does for his boss and so on.
For me to clamor on about how my impact on the brand, however diminished in comparison to my boss's boss's boss's impact, deserves the same compensation as him, is absurd.
To apply that here: A good, marketable QB probably has a measurable economic impact on the brand and should be paid for it. But I suspect (and the data is there) that the HC's measurable impact on the brand eclipses the QBs to the nth degree.
Plus, a HC probably (Bobby Petrino aside) isn't going to go blow dough on a fast mover so he can go wrap it around the nearest light pole. So there's that.
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Dynasty Maker [3508]
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Re: Well, a couple of things.
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Mar 27, 2025, 12:09 PM
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"And that I can support it without being particularly happy about it."
Ok, well I guess you've just got to ask yourself why you are unhappy about another human being making money.
It's not like they do not spend hours upon hours of their time practicing and putting their bodies on the line for your entertainment...
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Dynasty Maker [3508]
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Re: Well, a couple of things.
Mar 27, 2025, 12:17 PM
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"2. I grow weary of the soap box take that follows a general theme of "the kids should get paid because the coaches are getting paid. Or the coaches shouldn't get paid if the kids aren't getting paid."
It's a false equivalency. I get paid $101,000 a year to do what I do for my boss, who gets paid $145,000 to do what he does for his boss, who gets paid $300,000 a year to do what he does for his boss and so on."
Well I would grow weary of that as well because I never said that.
I said that if you want to treat players like students then start treating coaches like professors.
If Deshaun Watson should get no more than the average student, why should Dabo get anymore than the average professor?
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Legend [6952]
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Re: Well, a couple of things.
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Mar 27, 2025, 12:23 PM
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This might be semantics but Deshaun was a student-athlete. He was required to attend classes to be able to be on the team
Dabo is staff, not staff-faculty. He has no requirement to teach a class like a professor to also be a coach.
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Re: Well, a couple of things.
Mar 27, 2025, 3:46 PM
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He shouldn't, and it used to be that the coaches did not make any more than the professors.
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Legend [6832]
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:42 AM
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Once again, I don’t think anyone has a problem with athletes being compensated fairly. However , do you actually think the bidding process along with billionaire alums and worldwide corporations should be allowed in this bidding process? The NFL is set up on a much fairer process than this and this is professional football.
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Mar 27, 2025, 11:38 AM
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Your last paragraph is actually what should happen. Back when Ara Parseghian first took over at Notre Dame, he made the same salary as an English professor.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
Mar 27, 2025, 11:40 AM
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For one, the pie should not exist.
That said, if you want to get them a piece of the pie, that's fine. They need to be made full fledged employees of the school.
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Legend [6952]
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
Mar 27, 2025, 11:44 AM
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Oh lawd no! Please do go that route LOL
Making them employees opens up even more massive issues than we have today on both sides. Tax, liability, unions/collective bargaining, insurance.
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
Mar 27, 2025, 3:33 PM
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There should not be any money in the first place. The school should not make money from a student extracurricular activity.
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
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Mar 27, 2025, 12:15 PM
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Also, they are not being paid by the school.
They are being paid by businesses to advertise using their name, image, and likeness which is a basic right that anybody in a free country should be able to enjoy.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: The only thing is disagree with here is
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Mar 27, 2025, 3:35 PM
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That's the issue. That doesn't address the problem of the players getting a piece of the pie.
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Paw Master [17831]
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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All levels sports are losing me. Ii use to watch MLB, NFL, some NBA and most any college or HS sport. But GREED has taken over almost all levels of sports.
It is now becoming difficult to coach the kids as young is T-Ball. Parents are not only making it difficult to find good officials and coaches, many of the kids either don’t want their parents to be there or they have got these young’s kids talking about getting rich on HS or college sports through the new changes. In fact just going to the games has become less enjoyable.
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Orange Elite [5159]
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Down at the HS level
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Mar 26, 2025, 3:57 PM
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(daughter is a junior b-ball player) kids are always transferring in and out of the school in search of a better coach, or more visibility to colleges and recruiters.
And 99.9% of 'em can barely tie their shoelaces, much less play at the next level. And by next level I mean D2 or NAIA.
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Mar 26, 2025, 3:53 PM
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Totally agree with you but I started losing interest in college sports long before now.
The whole NIL and transfer portal stuff has just about killed it for me. People are entitled to their opinion and I know there are those that think NIL and the transfer portal are great additions to college athletics. Let's agree to disagree.
We are teaching this generation of athletes that there is no need to wait your turn or persevere by working harder. If you do not like it just quit on your team and go somewhere else for 1 year.
Unlike pro athletes who are under contract, college athletes have all the power because they can take the money and run with no consequences.
I love Clemson and will always cheer on our teams regardless of the sport. I graduated from Clemson in '95 and wear my colors proudly. But aside from the Tigers, I literally watch no other college football games anymore. The weekends suddenly seem longer for a guy that was a college football junky for much of my life because I am not glued to the TV as much.
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Legend [6832]
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Agree on that. I loved to watch college football no matter who was playing but not now. I have except my tigers list complete interest. There is going to come a day when the price of attending a game due to raising money to pay the players is going to get to the point of no return. The old saying that means I can’t afford it any longer.
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Ultimate Tiger [33306]
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I see a lot of people complaining about the money that players are making
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At both the collegiate and professional level
Does anybody complain about the money that the athletic departments, the universities, the franchisees, or the franchise owners are raking in? Not to mention the massive tax cut that owners and franchisees get?
Either like capitalism or you don’t and that’s what has happened… Collegiate athletes is now capitalism. Hurray! Make that money kids.
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Orange Elite [5159]
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Oh, I'm all for the kids making money.
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Mar 26, 2025, 4:02 PM
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I'd rather the market set the rates than the bureaucrats.
(I would like to see a little more regulation, though.)
Anyway, my point is it's possible to be for the system and still not enjoy what the system is doing to that which it is intended to support.
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Ultimate Tiger [33306]
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Re: Oh, I'm all for the kids making money.
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Mar 26, 2025, 4:15 PM
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Isn’t That what’s happening now? The market has decided what players are worth what money and the universities that have the money can pay for those players… It’s the free market as opposed to being controlled by the NCAA with strict rules and regulations.
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Orange Elite [5159]
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Yes, that's what's happening now.
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:21 AM
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And eventually, the NC2A and the schools/ADs are going to rein it right back in because ... parity.
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Legend [6832]
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Re: Oh, I'm all for the kids making money.
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Yes, seems what we have now. Read about Duke offering 7 million for a basketball guy to come. Tarheels offered 5 million. We now see why NC is falling behind.
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Paw Master [16325]
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Think if Pat Mahomes was with the Chiefs one year, the Bills the next year, and
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then the Steelers the following. That would just be bizarre, but it's what happens in college football.
At least in the NFL, you can follow teams because the players are typically on minimum 3 year contracts.
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Ultimate Tiger [33306]
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Well we the powers that be want contracts for college... but for now the rich
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Mar 26, 2025, 7:49 PM
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get richers and don't want that.
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Re: I see a lot of people complaining about the money that players are making
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Yeah but it didn’t use to come with a Lamborghini.
And sometimes they had to go to class.
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Re: I see a lot of people complaining about the money that players are making
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Further teaching them to be entitled. That is a problem. Not just in college athletics. A system of earnings through commitment would fix a lot if this. Even the Pro levels have salary caps. I say fold it all for 5 years and show these student athletes what they had. A large portion of these athletes couldn't even get into college without athletics. If I were king fir a day, I'd shut it all down and relaunch with solid boundaries. Not my call, I've earned what I have from nothing. But these kids will never understand that. #theyaretankingthesystem
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It'll have to be one or the other.
Mar 27, 2025, 10:23 AM
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And I think it will be the other -- contracts will stipulate classroom attendance rates or some other academic measurable the jock will be on the hook for.
Of course, enforcing that will be about impossible.
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The product isn't any better in Columbia, that's true.
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Not so much at Clemson. I'm talking on-field product.
Concessions are a shambles.
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Then how do you watch the Bills and Yankees?
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Mar 26, 2025, 4:05 PM
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Don't they also "No loyalty, greed, athletes transferring everywhere (multiple times), unfamiliar rosters each season, recruiting bidding wars, etc, etc. I used to enjoy the pureness of it."
Definitely no pureness in NFL and baseball. It's been gone for a LONG time.
Go Tigers!
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Pro sports is trash. Thats what makes this all suck so bad.***
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
Mar 26, 2025, 4:14 PM
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I wouldn't call it greed. If you left for a better job would you be doing it for greed? Probably not.
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Me too. It's happened organically - the school spirit aspect is gone. I'm ok
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with money flowing from people who obviously have too much of it to kids who could likely use it. But, I'm finding that I'm just not into cheering for someone solely because they have on a Clemson jersey.
I used to be someone who stayed until the bitter end of every game - because these players had been busting their buttocks for Clemson in practice, so the least I could do was stay for the whole game. But now, they are busting their tails for their own wallets....
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Yep. Well stated and couldn't agree more. It's totally out of hand, sleazy, and sad all in one.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
Mar 26, 2025, 4:20 PM
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i like folks getting paid, i cannot think of a reason for me to stand in the way
i do think the pool of eligible players should be expanded by double
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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I respect that Clemson is doing its best to maintain some semblance of the student athlete proposition, but many schools have abandoned the charade with an ends justifies the means approach to winning. Clemson is different, but the vast majority of power programs are simply professional sports in an unregulated free agency being played on a campus. However I'd love to be 5 star high school athlete right now.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 26, 2025, 4:41 PM
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It's not the pay as much as it's the here today, gone tomorrow situation that didn't exist really at all until the last few years. Commitments should still mean something but now they basically don't mean anything beyond the next portal window. As someone else said, if the NFL had half of its teams turning over every year it would be considered detrimental to the sport, not because of money but because of a lack of continuity. It's always been a bit of an illusion that the players cared as much about the city or school as much as the fans but a reality where they are constantly leaving to go elsewhere, for whatever the reason, makes that illusion much more difficult to sell which means you're basically forced to acknowledge you're rooting for mercenaries who don't give a crap about any of it beyond their own self interest. Hard for that to be some kind of selling point with regards to attracting new fans but easy to see how established fans would decide to move on or at least lose some of the passion they have for their teams players.
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See my post, "When was the last time...."
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Mar 26, 2025, 5:01 PM
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College hoops lost me about 20 years ago. I still follow college football, but I don't get nearly as emotionally invested as I used to.
I still follow it closely and watch games from noon to midnight every Saturday in the fall. But I do it more as a way to remember how much I enjoyed watching football with my dad from the time I was in high school until he passed away in 1999.
One-and-done did it for me in hoops. The advent of unrestricted free agency (thanks to COVID) started me getting far less emotionally involved. Now, with the codification of professional athletes and zero concern about academics, it is making it easier and easier for me to enjoy the games but not be upset when Clemson or FSU lose.
I went to the ACC championship when FSU beat Louisville. I was riding home with two of my Nole buddies when the snub of FSU was announced. Those two reacted the way I would have 30 years ago. I talked to them for 3 hours and they were still extremely irate. My comment was, "I'm not gonna let this decision take away the joy that 13-0 gave me. I'm not gonna give ESPN and Herbstreit the satisfaction."
30 years ago I would have been writing letters and arguing with my gator friends for months over the horrible injustice foisted upon FSU.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:15 PM
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It's not just you man. I find myself not watching games that the Tigers aren't involved in.. I used to watch Saturdays from noon until 1 or 2am. I couldn't get enough. My wife and I take some camping trips during the season. We would never do that 5 years ago. I've started following the NFL. I mean at least every team has the potential to spend the same. College sports will be suffering attendance decline and we will see corporate sponsorships float it within the next 5 to 10 seasons. Today's dockets wants to get paid for potential not performing. Sane in the private sector workforce. We are slowly becoming more European by the minute.
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I don't disagree with this take.
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Mar 26, 2025, 8:37 PM
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Actually, I strongly agree.
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Agree with some of this chat but getting to & from a
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Mar 26, 2025, 10:54 PM
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Football game at Clemson is a hassle it seems compared to 25 to 50 years ago..but having a buddy or good group of energetic friends with you on the long drive to & from helps..along with a team that is winning & exciting to watch & pull for.
Then again the newer designated parking assignments that are way out, the cost of that along with a tremendous increase in ticket prices, dedicated seats used over the years being changed all too often, etc..
With all this Combined it can make a home game seem like a pain at times (especially with playing a weak opponent) rather than a personal fun-day out @ Tigertown.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:29 AM
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Those issues have turned me from a rabid college sports fan - to just a Clemson supporter. I like it when we win and don’t get too upset if we lose, I don’t stress games, I quit going to playoff games (had been to 81 natty, and all playoff and natty games since it started) until this past season.when I was a kid, I loved pro football, basketball, and baseball. When I discovered college, I stopped caring. The pendulum has swung back to me enjoying pro football. Can’t watch pro basketball and pro baseball. I watch and go to a lot of pro golf events. Been to the Masters since I was 8.
I went from a high dollar supporter of Clemson sports to a high, but lower level. Will stop when Dabo leaves. I don’t like that Clemson accepts mediocrity in men’s basketball to continue. I don’t like how bad the ACC has gotten in men’s basketball.
I do look for the baseball, mens golf,soccer, tennis, softball, and now lacrosse teams scores. They simply feel more like students playing college sports, but I know baseball is going away.
Times have changed. I’m 66. Just because time changed - does not mean I have to. I retired 5 years ago and now, golf, fishing, travel, and my dogs take up the holes created by the turning of college sports into something I don’t agree with. My Clemson room has evolved to a more balanced room of golf, fishing, and Clemson. I have so many souvenirs of Clemson , from sports illustrated, to coke bottles and cans, helmets/ Balls signed by Dabo, Danny, Frank, Nikki Haley, jerseys, on and on. Might be time to sell. If you are missing something in your collection, hit me up, maybe it’s time.
Did not mean to write this much. Be safe and well. Still a proud Tiger! Class of 81.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:51 AM
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Part of that may just be getting older. When I was young I was into any and everything sports wise but as I've gotten older it's basically just become football. And even that has lost some of its luster, probably in part to developing some perspective on life in general. I imagine that's the case for many people who are die hard fans as kids and young adults but then kinda drift away mid life.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 8:31 AM
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I’m with you, but I’m not with you. Yankees and the Dodgers by their teams with massive salaries so what’s the difference.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
Mar 27, 2025, 9:20 AM
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Coaches have been doing this for decades. Nobody complains when a guy jumps ship for a bigger salary or better opportunity at a more prestigious school.
Nobody complains when a student transfers to another school.
But suddenly when athletes are allowed to do it it's a problem.
They are not playing sports just for your entertainment.
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Actually, if they want to get paid, they *are playing sports
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:28 AM
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for our entertainment, seeing as its all those wallets attached to all those butts in all those seats that pick up the tab for so much of it all.
If they want to play sports as some noble, character-shaping pursuit, then restore the old model and let them be happy with scholarships again.
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Re: Actually, if they want to get paid, they *are playing sports
Mar 27, 2025, 12:13 PM
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And who do you think is putting butts in those seats?
It's almost comical how a board that seems to be 99% capitalist when it comes to politics suddenly wants adult citizens in America to be prevented from making money off of their own name.
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Re: Actually, if they want to get paid, they *are playing sports
Mar 27, 2025, 3:43 PM
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Sorry he just nailed you on that point. The only reason there's an opportunity for these players to make money in the first place is because of the fans who are paying for ENTERTAINMENT. No fans, no money.
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Re: Actually, if they want to get paid, they *are playing sports
Mar 27, 2025, 3:52 PM
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But you don't want the money you pay to go to the player ON THE FIELD, you know, the ones who are doing the entertaining?
Your logic, or his logic, is confusing. You admit they are there for your entertainment, and you pay for entertainment, but you don't want them getting the money you pay.
Makes no sense.
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Re: Actually, if they want to get paid, they *are playing sports
Mar 27, 2025, 4:21 PM
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If they want to get paid, then they need to be full-fledged employees of the school. If they're still going to be scholarship athletes and go to class, then it needs to be an extracurricular activity and nobody, not the players, coaches, schools, or TV networks need to make any money off of it.
The other issue is, the only reason I watch college sports is because of Clemson. If it ends up being a situation where Clemson is basically in the level of Conference USA or FCS, due to being unable to compete financially, I will have no interest in watching college sports. I would have no interest in watching Ohio State, Alabama, Southern Cal, Texas, etc. at all. I will simply stop being a paying consumer of college sports.
The thing you don't realize, is if you leave this the way it is and you kneecap a bunch of FBS programs, like what's happened to Oregon State and Washington State, you're going to lose a bug chunk of the fan/customer base, and the remaining blue blood fans won't be able to make up the difference.
There are only two viable options. One is to completely remove the money from college sports and make it an extra curricular activity ( as it should be). The other is to make it a full-blown professional league, with standardized rules and regulations.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 11:19 AM
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Actually people do complain, usually its the ones from the school losing the coach.
But putting that aside for a moment, that's not the complete story. Coaches who make this money (again a very very small %) are under contract. They have to perform their obligation to receive that money and if they leave early they (or the school hiring them) has to pay the buyout.
PLayers don't have to do that. Its just not the same situation as these select coaches, its adjacent but not the same.
Now I know these kids are getting paid millions for NIL and their obligation is "advertising" but we all know its pay for play.
Pay the kids who are worth it 7 figures. I don't care. But lets have some structure and have it be structured like any other highly paid coach or player across US sports.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 3:40 PM
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Actually yes they are playing sports for our entertainment. That's the entire reason that the TV contracts and the money exists in the first place.
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I share those feelings too. I still enjoy pulling for the Tigers but it's not
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:44 AM
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the same attachment that it used to be.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 10:47 AM
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My grandson loves basketball and played thru the 10th grade at Boiling Springs. However, due to the coach requirement of year around practice and only two weeks in the year he could go with the family on vacation he gave it up. He literally had no life playing high school basketball. This is probably the same for most all the high school sports now days. As a nation, we have gone sports crazy. 🤪
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 11:44 AM
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I don't agree with uncontrolled chaos but as the old saying goes, "chaos is cash". The younger Millineals and Gen Zers love the constant change. They spend time reviewing the transfer portals from the varuous sports recruiting sites and sharing info with their inner circles. The future money is coming from them.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 12:07 PM
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It’s how the majors have always been
And the NCAA keeps shedding its dignity, little by little.
You don’t have to accept the fact you’re getting old.
Yes, things change with age, but none of this ever had to happen.
They could’ve modernized the game in other ways.
This is just the certain path that they decided to go down
And once you decide it, you cannot go back and it will keep eating away in the future.
They gave the athletes all the power. As if it’s the major leagues.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 3:48 PM
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It's out of the ncaa's hands. The court rulings are what caused this. Nothing the NCAA could have done would have changed that.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 12:58 PM
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Greed/money rules the world--it's not just college athletics.
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 2:12 PM
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I agree with a lot of posts in here, but they should not be called student athletes anymore when most just take online classes and probably are having someone else do it for them.
Yes, the colleges are making lots of money and they deserve some of it, but not millions like some are asking for. If people are buying their jerseys, etc, then they definitely deserve their percentage of that.
How is this any different from the Texas high schools who make millions off of football through donations, etc and build multimillion dollar stadiums? Do those high school kids deserve a cut? It's the same thing.
I'm in favor of athletes having some power. One free transfer is fine, and if they have followed a coach and that coach leaves, then they should be able to follow.
But, when kids are going to a new school every year, this is an absolute joke.
Clemson is coming off of two of the best years in program history and they are still having to field basically a brand new team with all of that success. There's definitely a problem!!!
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Re: College sports is slowly losing me..
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Mar 27, 2025, 4:02 PM
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It’s hard for sure. At minimum we need a cap on how often they can transfer. Hold money in an account until they graduate. Anything is better than this current set up of pay for play.
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They will kill the golden goose, for sure.***
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