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The case of Yunseo Chung
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Mar 24, 2025, 8:12 PM
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-Chung is a 21-year-old student at private Columbia University.
-She is a South Korean national who has lived here legally since she was 7. She was valedictorian of her high school.
-Chung participated in pro-Palestinian protests on campus. Nothing she joined was violent or destructive, nor were her actions.
-Columbia University found her actions were within the student code of conduct.
-Chung is in hiding because ICE is trying to apprehend her and deport her. She has filed a suit against the Trump administration to combat their attempts.
-In ICE's first attempt to contact her, they lied that they were local police.
-ICE went to her mother's home to attempt to apprehend her.
-ICE used a "harboring statute" to raid two other campus residences to see if students were hiding her.
-She has not been charged with any crime nor wanted for any crime. ICE has told her lawyers they can revoke her status at any time and deport her.
Is this the America some of you want? It's a blatant violation of the First Amendment, not that anyone who previously lied about supporting free speech would care, but these are the authoritarian tactics that will be used against citizens eventually.
Yes, they absolutely will be used against all of us eventually. You're completely naive if you think it's not going to come to that; they're testing the waters with cases like Chung--and trying to do it quietly--to see what they can get away with.
If you support what's happening to Chung, just come out and admit that you want us to be under an authoritarian dictatorship. There's no need to pretend anymore. No American who supports our nation's freedom and what we stand for should side with the government on this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/24/nyregion/columbia-student-ice-suit-yunseo-chung.html
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 8:21 PM
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I don't know enough about her stance. On the surface it sounds messed up that she would be deported. On the other hand, if she is some Jew hating Hamas supporter who we can get rid of on this technicality I would be all for it. More than likely she is just being rounded up and shouldn't be and it's overreach. It is a reminder for non citizens though to be careful when protesting though. Might want to wait until your a citizen.
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Free speech, man, free speech.***
Mar 24, 2025, 8:24 PM
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Re: Free speech, man, free speech.***
Mar 24, 2025, 8:38 PM
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True, but free speech has consequences and you might not become a citizen.
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America is not Russia, China, or North Korea.***
Mar 24, 2025, 8:41 PM
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Re: America is not Russia, China, or North Korea.***
Mar 24, 2025, 8:44 PM
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Yep. It is not, but non citizens can be deported. It's not crazy.
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Re: America is not Russia, China, or North Korea.***
Mar 25, 2025, 9:48 AM
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PBT- Free speech is not meant to mean one can say anything without consequences. One cannot yell fire in a crowded room when no fire exists, one cannot call in bomb threats nor death threats. People forget this while trumpeting free speech.
While I do not know what she did in actuality as I was not there I do not think I would take the University word as gospel. We all saw/heard what went on at campus scythe country.
I would want to see some proof from video or texts in her case for sure. I just do not default as you do that everything this administration does is wrong or evil.
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Re: America is not Russia, China, or North Korea.***
Mar 25, 2025, 10:03 AM
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Free speech is not meant to mean one can say anything without consequences. One cannot yell fire in a crowded room when no fire exists, one cannot call in bomb threats nor death threats. People forget this while trumpeting free speech.
We often see this cliché example given as a "but wait!" about the 1st Amendment, but rarely is it used correctly, and it doesn't apply here.
Let's pretend she DID say something completely out of line or encouraged violence or anything that wouldn't fall under protected speech. Okay, we're all pretending that, right?
Which even if that is the case, it STILL wouldn't warrant ICE arresting her or deporting her.
That would fall under the jurisdiction of local police who would hold her accountable for her crimes.
Thus, it can be easily deduced that she is being unjustly targeted by ICE and this admin to silence free expression.
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Re: America is not Russia, China, or North Korea.***
Mar 25, 2025, 2:06 PM
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It is not a cliche', that is where you are failing here.
Next up I am not pretending, I am saying I do not know. There is a huge difference even a leftist like you should be able to see. Yes you are a leftist, you prove it every day here.You are taking A University word on her actions when the heads of those very same places failed miserably before Congress.
I said I would want to see video or text proof too. What matters here is what does the govt have to show proof of inciting hatred upon another group?
If they got nothing then it becomes bogus. Till then I'll wait and see.
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Mar 25, 2025, 2:19 PM
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It is not a cliche', that is where you are failing here.
Yes, it is, and people always state it as if they know something about the First Amendment others don't. Yes, everyone already knows you "can't yell fire in a crowded theater". That example doesn't apply to this case and shows you may not really know what that means.
Next up I am not pretending, I am saying I do not know.
I didn't say you were pretending; I said I was. I gave a hypothetical. Reading comprehension; let's do it.
There is a huge difference even a leftist like you should be able to see. Yes you are a leftist, you prove it every day here.You are taking A University word on her actions when the heads of those very same places failed miserably before Congress.
Name all the leftist ideologies I embrace. I've issued this challenge to many, many posters here before and they all ran away like little b!tches when I did. Let's see if you can do it different. I'm already going to put you at a disadvantage: I'm a huge free market capitalist, I'm a big 2nd Amendment supporter and own lots of guns, I believe in smaller government and less federal overreach, and I believe the Constitution should be interpreted quite literally.
Your move.
When you can end this stupidity, I'll answer your valid questions. But I won't debate seriously with someone who makes up false labels simply because they THINK they're a conservative and someone disagrees with them. Gotta have intelligence to ride this ride; show me you have it.
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Freedom of speech means freedom from government consequences.
Mar 24, 2025, 9:28 PM
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The government punishing speech is the issue here.
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Re: Freedom of speech means freedom from government consequences.
Mar 24, 2025, 9:46 PM
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from government consequences when you are applying to be a citizen. It can make you nog eligible to be a citizen.
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That is NOT a criteria for gaining citizenship
Mar 24, 2025, 10:41 PM
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And it's NOT a reason for our government to deport an immigrant who is here legally.
The First Amendment 100 percent trumps this case and the arguments you're suggesting that would justify deportation.
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Re: That is NOT a criteria for gaining citizenship
Mar 25, 2025, 11:10 AM
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You and I don't know what she did exactly. If she was there promoting Hamas or promoting hate any way, I would be all for her being deported. Just being in the US as a non citizen and protesting here is bad enough if she hadn't been here since 7 years old. That's the only reason why I have her side to an extent.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
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Mar 24, 2025, 8:26 PM
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On the other hand, if she is some Jew hating Hamas supporter who we can get rid of on this technicality I would be all for it.
With respect, your opinion or anyone else's of her beliefs doesn't justify violating her First Amendment rights and sending her back to a nation that she hasn't lived in since she was 7.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 8:42 PM
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I think due to get being here since 7 she shouldn't be deported. That said, she isn't a citizen and when you are trying to become one, you might want to keep that in mind when you are basically interviewing to become a citizen. I her case though I consider her basically a citizen since she was here since age 7. It's all she basically knows. Like I said though, if she is some Hamas supporting Jew hater, then I am glad she is being deported though,.even though it would be a technicality. My guy probably is just a good person though and who is getting a raw deal. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. I bet she doesn't have to go in the end.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 8:59 PM
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Like I said though, if she is some Hamas supporting Jew hater, then I am glad she is being deported though,.even though it would be a technicality.
So if the government tells you that's what she is, you'll believe them and stick with that opinion?
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 9:47 PM
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I didn't say that at all. I covered both sides. I made clear we don't know.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 9:04 PM
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yes, this is the America they want. A Brown person attending Columbia, who has a bright future, needs to suffer.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 9:12 PM
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The board kooks keep posting about poor oppressed noncitizens being deported for merely expressing the wrong opinion and then the truth inevitably comes out and reveals that they've been engaging in all sorts of antisemitic behaviors up to and including attacking Jewish students and university employees. Why do you all love jew hating noncitizens more than Jewish citizens?
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
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Mar 24, 2025, 10:29 PM
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Please list the times this woman has attacked anyone.
Why do you all love jew hating noncitizens more than Jewish citizens?
Why are you an American-hating fascist who hates our Constitution?
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 10:38 PM
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If she didn't attack anyone, but let's say she supports Hamas and hates Jews, then I wouldn't want her to gain citizenship. I would be thrilled she was being deported. That said, she is probably just some peaceful lady who thinks innocent people are being attacked needlessly. We don't know the facts though.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
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Mar 24, 2025, 10:43 PM
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If she didn't attack anyone, but let's say she supports Hamas and hates Jews, then I wouldn't want her to gain citizenship. I would be thrilled she was being deported.
Then you're falling into exactly what Trump and his cronies want you to. Our nation is only as strong as how much we defend the rights of those we don't like or don't agree with.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 24, 2025, 10:48 PM
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I am not falling into anything. I wouldn't want a terrorist supporting Jew hater to become a citizen. That said, I have no idea who she really is or what she believes. My gut is that she just wants peace. I have no idea though. Moreover, I don't have to agree with the opinions of non citizens and want them to become citizens if their opinions promote.hatred and violence. What kind of idiot thinks that's a good idea? The United States can be and should be selective who becomes citizens.
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Surprise, MFer... I agree. We're constantly bombarded with sick Israeli fealty.***
Mar 24, 2025, 10:39 PM
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Re: Surprise, MFer... I agree. We're constantly bombarded with sick Israeli fealty.***
Mar 24, 2025, 10:41 PM
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Yeah you always have odd conspiracies about the Jews as well.
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I didn't mention "Jews". I mentioned Israel. Two entirely different topics.***
Mar 24, 2025, 11:19 PM
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Re: I didn't mention "Jews". I mentioned Israel. Two entirely different topics.***
Mar 24, 2025, 11:21 PM
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Sorry...hard to keep up with your conspiracies.
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Re: Surprise, MFer... I agree. We're constantly bombarded with sick Israeli fealty.***
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Evangelicals need those Jews for Revelation to be fulfilled. It says 2/3 must die and the final 1/3 must convert. It is part of why we blindly support Israel. Senior Israeli General once said, yes we know they only support us for this reason but we are happy to take their money
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Re: Surprise, MFer... I agree. We're constantly bombarded with sick Israeli fealty.***
Mar 25, 2025, 10:07 AM
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I side pretty strongly with Israel in their battle against Hamas and Hezbollah, but yeah, I don't think that means people can't look critically and voice opposition to them. Criticizing Israel's actions as a nation doesn't make someone "anti-Semitic".
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Re: Surprise, MFer... I agree. We're constantly bombarded with sick Israeli fealty.***
Mar 25, 2025, 2:11 PM
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Israels hands are not clean, they never were dating back to 46. There were massacres committed on Palestinians by Jews, like line up whole villages and shoot them.
Reality says those people have hated each other for centuries, nobody is gonna fix it and they do not want to live in peace. One side must wipe out the other, it is just that simple.
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Re: The case of Yunseo Chung
Mar 25, 2025, 12:20 AM
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I don't know her full status, how is she here for as long as she has been (i.e. does she have a visa or green card) or if she has been hiding behind some family members green card since she was 7. She has been here plenty of time to become a citizen.
Non-citizens have rights but they are limited rights. She was arrested previously and until the facts come out, I'll wait and see. For all any of us know, she may be Kahlil's cell leader. This is not a sleep loser.
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Nothing you said in your post is accurate
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It doesn't matter how long she had to become a citizen; she didn't but she's legal. Period.
She enjoys the same rights established under the BoR as an citizen. Period.
If you dismiss this easily, you'll also dismiss it when it happens to citizens.
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Re: Nothing you said in your post is accurate
Mar 25, 2025, 10:01 AM
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There is no "common law citizenship" in the U.S. Tell us why she was suspended from Columbia before the arrest warrant was ever issued? Did you bother looking that up? We're about to find out if green cards mean anything when a person doesn't follow the laws. No one from anywhere and no matter their citizenship status should be allowed to participate in hate crimes. That means Syria, South Korea, any other country or any state. Move them out or lock them up.
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Re: Nothing you said in your post is accurate
Mar 25, 2025, 10:11 AM
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-The First Amendment applies to all people inside this nation.
-It doesn't matter why she was suspended. Columbia said she didn't commit any legal wrongdoing. Getting suspended from a university doesn't warrant a loss of green card or deportation.
-You don't know if she participated in hate crimes.
Stop being a fascist.
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Re: Nothing you said in your post is accurate
Mar 25, 2025, 10:57 AM
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If she was involved in any protest against Israel at Colombia it is a given hate crime. I guess if pushing for law and order is being facist, then I'll take it. I hope you and
all the other Sheeple can survive the next 3 to 4 presidencies without your progressive liberals in office.
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Re: Nothing you said in your post is accurate
Mar 25, 2025, 11:13 AM
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That's not a given hate crime. I would like to know what she was saying though and promoting in her protest. That said, I am not sold I want non citizens organizing protests in our country generally anyway. If she was even part of blocking Jewish students or hassling Jewish students, I have issues with her. The thing is, we don't even know exactly what she did.
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That's BS and you know it is
Mar 25, 2025, 11:20 AM
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In fact, I'd wager if I really pressed you, you'd argue that all hate crime legislation is BS.
Protesting against the actions of another nation isn't a hate crime. It's just a viewpoint you don't like and you want people punished harshly for it without due process or without being given their rights, and yes, that makes you a fascist.
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GEsTApo ONLy goOD wHeN BaMMy AnD brANdoN uSE iT!!!***
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We need Paul Harvey to give us the rest of the story.
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Not just a 1 sided poor poor me version from cata.
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Then go find the rest of the story.
Mar 25, 2025, 11:20 AM
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We already know you've made up your mind to take the extremist side.
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Re: Then go find the rest of the story.
Mar 25, 2025, 11:30 AM
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Nobody knows the rest of the story. You may be defending a terrible human being? We really don't know. On the surface though, nobody has told us what she really did that was so awful.
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Maybe I am
Mar 25, 2025, 11:33 AM
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But until someone can prove that she is a terrible human being who has legitimately broken laws that make her deserving of arrest and deportation, I'm going to err on the side of her being not guilty.
You know... like our due process does.
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Re: Maybe I am
Mar 25, 2025, 11:43 AM
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She has been here since she was 7, so she deserves due process. That said, for those non citizens that have been here under 2 years there is no due process required. I am just pointing that out for other cases that may pop up.
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So reading more into this...
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Chung's own lawyers acknowledge there is a law that allows her to be deported, even as a green card holder.
It appears that actions have consequences, and in this case it could be her ability to live in the US. I don't agree with what is happening, but it appears that the Administration has the legal ability to deport her.
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