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Contradiction in Christianity
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Jun 24, 2025, 10:58 AM
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“Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is lord.”
Why then would there be people that go to hell?
It’s been said that the door to hell is locked from the inside by apologists like CS Lewis and CUintulsa®.
If these people will eventually believe in Jesus why would they stay in Hell?
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That's at the final judgement.
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Jun 24, 2025, 11:08 AM
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That's like going to court and telling the judge you're sorry for your crimes and expecting him to judge you innocent.
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Re: That's at the final judgement.
Jun 25, 2025, 6:48 AM
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Er.. isn’t that the entire ethos of Christianity?
Doesn’t matter what your sins are so long as you repent and get saved?
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Are you familiar with...
Jun 29, 2025, 4:57 PM
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the intercession to court trials called PTI, pretrial intervention? You either enter it and satisfy the people, (solicitor or AD, prosecuting attorney) or go to court. Been there and done that.
I was offered PTI and had to take a counseling session, just one, to satisfy the judge without a court hearing. It was negotiated by my attorney and the Picken Co representative of the DA. I think that office is called the solicitor's office, long ago memory gone.
When man refused PTI then he will face the judge on a particular day. At that point the judge will 'throw the book at him.'
Jesus is my lawyer and He sits at The Judge's right hand and continually makes intercession for me. He paid for my sin, past, present and future.
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9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
He is so determined to save you that He sent His Son to die for your sins, past, present and future.
You will offer no excuse on judgement day. You will simply yield to the deliberations of the Judge and declare Him Holy. When you meet Him you will understand but PIT is not offered.
Don't tell me you can't handle one counseling session. Tell it to the Judge!
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Letterman [157]
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Re: Are you familiar with...
Jun 29, 2025, 5:02 PM
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Yes but PTI and trials are real
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
Jun 24, 2025, 11:12 AM
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The question you need to ask is “when will every knee bow and every tongue confess?” I’ll let you research it and your question will then be easy to answer.
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
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Jun 24, 2025, 11:14 AM
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Exactly. Its absurd to think people can be punished for eternity based on a small freckle of existence. Especially when they have NO control when and where they are born and their experiences after the fact. Plain logic and common sense tells you that frame of theology is silly.
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
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Jun 24, 2025, 11:19 AM
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That’s a good point.
Our life is a mere blip on the radar yet our eternity depends on it?
Not much logic in that.
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
Jun 26, 2025, 8:34 PM
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That's also a good post to show your pastor.
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You don't worry about what happens to others when you stand...
Jun 24, 2025, 11:21 AM
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before the Judge and answer for your sin.
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I would suppose an even wider view about our understanding
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Jun 24, 2025, 12:01 PM
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of God, or lack thereof. Throughout OT and NT it is emphasized that we cannot begin to fathom the depths and nature of our creator. This of course, is the supporting foundation of faith, or simply the requirement of believing in a God despite not being able to comprehend Him or Her or Them (anti trans folks ain’t gonna like this). So this collection of stories/books/tales written and compiled by a handful of individuals and translated dozens of times over thousands of years is supposed to be the bedrock upon which we build our faith? Hard pill to swallow, yet to do so you must believe.
The more I studied the more convinced I became that we know little to nothing about God. It’s like trying to describe a box you can’t see, but you just have to accept there is a box. We don’t know anything about the color, size, material composition. Nobody really does. They can’t know. It can’t be known.
Paradoxically, I’m ok with the requirement of faith. My choice. If someone’s desire is to seek out the concrete among all that muddy water, look to Jesus. He is the only living embodiment of the God we can begin to understand. Not that we can understand the individual, but we can field a comprehension of his actions in the way he lived. Follow that.
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Re: I would suppose an even wider view about our understanding
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Jun 24, 2025, 12:27 PM
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“ If someone’s desire is to seek out the concrete among all that muddy water, look to Jesus. He is the only living embodiment of the God we can begin to understand.”
The only problem with this is that the only info we have about Jesus comes from the Bible.
I have no reason to believe Jesus was sinless, and nobody was in a position to know that he was except him. Did he ever say that?
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The Bible teaches that it's impossible to fathom the power of God along with...
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Jun 24, 2025, 1:38 PM
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other of His attributes. So our foundation of understanding is exact. Why then do you think that such as we, you and I, believe it's so big a thing for Him to produce, protect and provide His Word to those who seek to trust and obey Him. I mean, wouldn't that make Him a politician or much loved unfaithful spouse?
No, you're attributing a human characteristic to one we both believe to be without limit.
We also agree that there is one thing we can comprehend and possibly identify with, Jesus. He is the actual measure of God's love. For in Him dwelt all the fullness of God and when He was beaten with stripes they assured of of healing. In His death and resurrection we have life.
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You've heard the Gospel and you know exactly who Jesus is so...
Jun 29, 2025, 4:58 PM
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when you face the Judge your opportunity for a PTI is withdrawn.
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Re: You've heard the Gospel and you know exactly who Jesus is so...
Jun 29, 2025, 5:01 PM
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You've heard about the golden plates, don't get upset when you burn in mormon hell
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
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Jun 24, 2025, 1:11 PM
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That would be a good question for your pastor. Be sure to present it to him as “contradictions in Christianity”.
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
Jun 24, 2025, 2:17 PM
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High and unexpected praise, not to mention undeserved. But thank you.
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
Jun 24, 2025, 3:55 PM
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Well I wasn’t praising you lol. Just remember you saying that and I believe CS Lewis makes this argument in Mere Christianity.
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Re: Contradiction in Christianity
Jun 29, 2025, 2:13 PM
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The unintended compliment is the most valued.
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On that note, why does grace arbitrarily end at death?
Jun 24, 2025, 5:39 PM
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If there is an infinite amount of time, what's the rush? Even 100 years is absolutely nothing to infinity, why can't you be forgiven after death? I would assume even just a couple seconds in hell would send the message if it existed.
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Re: On that note, why does grace arbitrarily end at death?
Jun 24, 2025, 7:37 PM
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"It is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgment."
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sure but why? seems dumb***
Jun 24, 2025, 8:49 PM
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Re: sure but why? seems dumb***
Jun 25, 2025, 5:43 AM
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Seems logical to me.
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Im sure it does***
Jun 25, 2025, 6:46 AM
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