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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:14 PM
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Easily the most childish posters on the board.
These coaches make millions a year. It's ok to want them to be held accountable.
The only delusional fans are the ones who defend Elliot and believe there's nothing wrong with the program.
Being critical of our football program does not make you a "coot".
Mindlessly praising and dismissing any criticism of our football program does not make you a "true fan".
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Ultimate Tiger [34743]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:16 PM
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Not being grateful for a win and enjoying it makes you an entitled spoiled “fan”.
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Clemson Icon [27759]
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The last time we went to
Oct 15, 2021, 11:18 PM
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The Belk Bowl we lost to South Florida,
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Ring of Honor [21088]
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This does seem like the 6-7 2010 season
Oct 15, 2021, 11:19 PM
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Before we turned it around .
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:18 PM
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A win is a win, but the ineptness on offense cannot be ignored. This is an historically bad offense for Clemson with much more talent than others.
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Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 15, 2021, 11:37 PM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:01 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:01 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:01 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:01 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:01 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:02 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:02 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:02 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:02 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Re: Now see, I disagree with that.
Oct 16, 2021, 4:03 AM
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"This is an historically bad offense for Clemson"
Did you just start watching Clemson in the playoff era? Man, I've seen much, much,worse offenses at Clemson.
No doubt, it is the worst offense in the Swinney era since 2010, but it is not a "historically bad offense".
The offense that got Tommy West fired scored 142 points through 6 games. This team has scored 123 and is loaded compared to 1998. And Tommy West ran the wishbone.
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Heisman Winner [81543]
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You can say that again
Oct 16, 2021, 7:33 AM
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Aww, neva mind
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:19 PM
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No, it doesn't make you a spoiled fan. DO you think CEO's are celebrated for making $1 profits? This is a program with everything it needs to be a national contender EVERY year. And the staff is paid accordingly. There is no excuse for the total horse crap show that the offense is putting on the field.
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Ultimate Tiger [34743]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:21 PM
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You forgot entitled…..
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I agree for the most part
Oct 15, 2021, 11:34 PM
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But our o-line and play calling are not national contenders unfortunately this year.
Go Tigers!!!
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Legend [6693]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 4:29 AM
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Not really if you have high expectations for the program. This team wont be good next year either more than likely. People don't want a couple of lost years. They want to compete for National Titles. There is no reason why we shouldn't easily run the table on impressive fashion in the ACC.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 6:40 AM
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Lee Trevino once said, "Dogs chasing cars and pros putting for pars don't last long." That's the quote that I think about each week watching these games. Yes we won the game, but when you keep giving teams the opportunity to win in the 4th quarter it will bite us in the butt from time to time.
Maybe we can add Tigers scoring in the teens to that list.
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Ring of Honor [21088]
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But when fans actually want Clemson
Oct 15, 2021, 11:17 PM
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To lose like a couple posted here tonight it is beyond legitimate criticism. These are the most child minded posters
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All-American [581]
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Yup. I looked at the board in the 1st quarter, and it was
Oct 15, 2021, 11:42 PM
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literally FILLED with whining and griping children, micro-complaining about every little thing.
Now THOSE are the most childish "fans"..
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CU Medallion [19108]
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Never on the board during a game. Lots of bored little
Oct 16, 2021, 6:18 PM
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whinny instigators on the board who are probably from other schools.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:20 PM
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You may not be a coot I don’t know don’t care.
I bet if you have been a Clemson Fan the last 6 years you are one of the ones who griped and complained the entire time.
Clemson won the game! I am happy about that!!
I will enjoy that!
It was an exciting game ‘
Those boys gave all they had!
Now I am going to sleep!
Go Tigers !
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:21 PM
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The players are making lots of money thru NIL. Makes them open to criticism too in my book. This team - the coaches, the players are a big disappointment.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:23 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [34743]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:25 PM
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^^^^ Post of the month^^^^^^
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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See I think it's ok to be a cheerleader
Oct 15, 2021, 11:28 PM
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or talk about how bad the offense is...wouldn't it be a little boring otherwise?
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Varsity [104]
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Re: See I think it's ok to be a cheerleader
Oct 15, 2021, 11:35 PM
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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Yeah, I agree.
Oct 15, 2021, 11:41 PM
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I am trying hard not to say "Elliot sucks" because I really like the guy and it's not cool.
But, he is making 2 million a year though, and will make more in two years than 90% of Americans in their lifetimes so there's that. It's a high-pressure job and you get judged on results.
I really was pulling for Elliot before this game. I really wanted to be wrong. He is not a good OC in my opinion though.
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Re: Yeah, I agree.
Oct 16, 2021, 5:13 PM
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I believe that TE is a pretty smart man, but I don't believe that he has had enough OC experience to scheme an offense. He was taught by one coach that was a HS head coach, that became a college OC, and after trying to be a college HC, he failed, and now he is back coaching HS FB. TE needs OC training by an experienced OC that has been scheming college offenses most of their college coaching careers, and like I said, TE is a pretty smart man, and he could be a good college OC if he was taught by another experience college OC!!!!!!!
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:29 PM
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I don't hate on players nor do I say we're terrible. This is a typical sunshine pumper post to deflect legitimate criticism from the program. There are plenty of fans that have reasonable takes on the issues of our program. However, we're called "coots" or bandwagon fans for bringing them up.
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All-American [581]
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What are your "reasonable takes"?
Oct 15, 2021, 11:31 PM
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You think we should just call different plays, and suddenly the key positions (QB and OL) are going to play better?
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:40 PM
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Nobody is defending anyone. It’s just we’re all tired of you armchair warriors who say the same stuff every week, hate on players and coaches and say how terrible we are and don’t deserve to win.
If this makes you this unhappy then do yourself and everyone else a favor and quit watching and posting. Do you think the constant negativity helps improve anything at all? No, all it does is let some opposing fans and potential recruits see how fairweather and even pathetic some of our fan base is.
^^^ Yep, this all day ^^^
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Game Changer [2018]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:28 PM
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Coaches get paid to win. Doesn't matter by 2 or by 50. A win is a win. Not every win is pretty but every win is a win. Coaches are accountable and will be accountable when the time comes but if this team ends up 11-2 with an ACC championship and a Orange Bowl win by winning every game 17-14 is the fan base not allowed to celebrate?
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Game Changer [2018]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:28 PM
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Coaches get paid to win. Doesn't matter by 2 or by 50. A win is a win. Not every win is pretty but every win is a win. Coaches are accountable and will be accountable when the time comes but if this team ends up 11-2 with an ACC championship and a Orange Bowl win by winning every game 17-14 is the fan base not allowed to celebrate?
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All-American [581]
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It's not "childish" to point out the primary issues are
Oct 15, 2021, 11:29 PM
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QB and OL.
The brain behind the plays is the same one who has been the primary contributor to the greatest years in Clemson history. Did he forget how to call plays, starting this year? Or are we not executing as well?
This offense has led us to 6 straight playoffs, 4 national title games, and 2 national titles. This same offense was 10th in the country with the 6th rated passing offense last year. There was no drop off when DJ came in, and he set records in Death Valley and South Bend.
DJ is not playing with the same confidence or form this year. And do you think the OL has played well this year? Same offensive playbook, different results.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a consistently good offense when the two most important positions (of any offense) are not doing their jobs. You can insert any offensive coordinator and any offensive scheme you want, but if the QB and OL don't do their jobs well then the product is not going to be good.
That's not childish, at all. That's football 101.
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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But where this argument fails.....
Oct 15, 2021, 11:32 PM
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is in the recruitment and development of talent which squarely falls under the coaching umbrella.
Where does the buck stop when the offense is one of the worst in the country?
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Re: But where this argument fails.....
Oct 15, 2021, 11:37 PM
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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See I agree with this post. By all means, make changes
Oct 15, 2021, 11:46 PM
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at the end of the season. I am just sick of people defending this offense.
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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OK coach, which teams have you served as a coach. Or, what
Oct 15, 2021, 11:41 PM
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football team did you play for in your younger days.
Other than that experience, how would you have a clue about what our players and coaches go through every season.
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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With all do respect....
Oct 15, 2021, 11:44 PM
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I am not being paid 2 million to figure this offense out.
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Re: OK coach, which teams have you served as a coach. Or, what
Oct 16, 2021, 12:05 AM
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Do you seriously believe this is an intelligent comeback?
I expect that our OC making 2 million a year should be able to take his loaded roster and score points against inferior opponents.
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Complaining about coaching is one thing, but there is
Oct 15, 2021, 11:36 PM
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no place on this site for complaining about the players.
I've been on this site since 2002 and some of the current posters need to act more like adults.
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Ultimate Tiger [34743]
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Re: Complaining about coaching is one thing, but there is
Oct 15, 2021, 11:41 PM
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Another contender for post of the month^^^^
Just relax and enjoy another win. It wasn’t that long ago that we lost these close games.
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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oooh, oooh, Let me try!!!
Oct 15, 2021, 11:52 PM
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I can't believe that TE is getting all this criticism for being the last place offense in the country, I mean we beat Syracuse and BC by 10 points!!! What more do fans want???
How did I do? Post of the month material?
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Orange Blooded [2368]
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Re: Complaining about coaching is one thing, but there is
Oct 16, 2021, 6:49 AM
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From time to time I see people making personal remarks about the players, and I will agree that is uncalled for. However, why shouldn't somebody criticize the play? If kids can be praised for doing well they should be open for criticism for under performing. That doesn't mean that I agree with all of the criticism, but this isn't peewee football.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:49 PM
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You got on the bandwagon 3 years ago. You're not one to come in and lecture real-long time Clemson fans on who and what we are. We've been here through the tough times, you haven't. Go away.
coot.
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Ring of Honor [23945]
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how original
Oct 15, 2021, 11:53 PM
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been here since 1995. I see what they see.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 12:02 AM
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I actually graduated from Clemson.
You're an idiot with no argument, and you called me a "Coot", just as I said sunshine pumpers like would.
Message was edited by: LosTigres17®
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 15, 2021, 11:54 PM
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Go Tigers!!!!
Another win to build upon!
Get home safe, and let’s get ready to beat the Panthers!
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Legend [6693]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 6:44 AM
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At this rate, when does to our offense become a strength? What's the timeframe?
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers***
Oct 16, 2021, 2:02 AM
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Playmaker [375]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 2:02 AM
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Go eat yourself
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Oct 16, 2021, 5:18 PM
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Easily the most childish posters on the board.
These coaches make millions a year. It's ok to want them to be held accountable.
The only delusional fans are the ones who defend Elliot and believe there's nothing wrong with the program.
Being critical of our football program does not make you a "coot".
Mindlessly praising and dismissing any criticism of our football program does not make you a "true fan".
Easily the most childish posters on the board.
These coaches make millions a year. It's ok to want them to be held accountable.
The only delusional fans are the ones who defend Elliot and believe there's nothing wrong with the program.
Being critical of our football program does not make you a "coot".
Mindlessly praising and dismissing any criticism of our football program does not make you a "true fan".
I’m here for the sunshine enemas.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 5:22 PM
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There is nothing wrong with the PROGRAM. There is something amiss this SEASON.
Wanting to take a flame thrower to the program is highly irrational.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 5:24 PM
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There is something amiss with the program.
Hiring former Clemson players with little coaching experience to your offensive staff has reared its ugly head. Why is every coach Dabo hires these days one of his former players? We need major changes on the offensive side of the ball.
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 5:30 PM
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Not defending anything but this coaching staff has equity. Dabo has some time to fix it not years and years but a few seasons. If some of you Johnny come latelys can’t comprehend then f&;k off.
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Ultimate Tiger [35867]
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Re: Sunshine Pumpers
Oct 16, 2021, 7:18 PM
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Sunshine pumpers kept Tommy Bowden around 4 years longer than he should have been here. And they will keep TE here 4 years longer than he should be here.
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