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Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 1:32 PM
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I hope TNet libs will agree with the insanity of this situation but maybe some believe the 15 year old girl needs her life cancelled. I could never be a part of a movement or belief system that causes this type of needless grief.
The root cause of this stuff are the shortcomings of Jimmy Galligan (or insert name of your favorite fake progressive) and his own mental problems - jealousy, inadequacy, probably has a sucky life and is too stupid to get a good job/income, spends too much time on social media, etc. so he makes himself "feel better" by attempting to elevate himself and his virtuousness above others. A pathetic POS.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-cancel-culture-teenage-revenge-cheerleader-racial-slur-video
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You are canceled.***
Dec 28, 2020, 1:40 PM
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 1:57 PM
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So at 15 she said a word and it’s ok to ruin her 3 years later? Anyone out there think that’s ok?
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Apparently going to community College ruins your life now.***
Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 PM
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Apparently going to community College ruins your life now.***
Dec 28, 2020, 2:37 PM
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No good grief!! The point is that takes a real prick to do that to a kid.
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Re: Apparently going to community College ruins your life now.***
Dec 28, 2020, 2:50 PM
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That's what I got out of it, too.
Takes a real lowlife to share a video of a 15 year old kid saying the n word, three years later. And even more lowlife "journalists" celebrating it.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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Stop. Don't be like them.
Dec 28, 2020, 2:56 PM
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You're better than that.
If you attack the kid who shared it, you're missing the message and engaging in the same behavior y'all claim to denounce.
The NY Times didn't "celebrate" it. Read the article. Don't trust Fox on this.
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Gridiron Giant [15526]
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Re: Stop. Don't be like them.
Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 PM
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I read the article. The one word, reckoning alone says she deserves it.
We'll have to disagree on this issue.
If you told me something privately at 15 and then I announced it publically years later in order to destroy you, im at minimum a #####. Just how I see it.
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Re: Stop. Don't be like them.
Dec 28, 2020, 3:03 PM
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A reckoning is a judgment. That doesn't mean the Time is saying she deserved it, nor are they celebrating it. It's good, factual reporting. I'll entertain actual examples from the article to the contrary, however.
Hey, I'm not a fan of kids getting hammered for stupid #### they did at 15. I'm thankful social media didn't exist when I was that age. I don't know I agree with what her classmate did, but that doesn't make him a bad person. Again, she recorded this. She shared it. She has no one to blame but herself.
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Gridiron Giant [15526]
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Re: Stop. Don't be like them.
Dec 28, 2020, 3:11 PM
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You know I've shared things here about how my special needs child is picked on, sometimes he has came home in tears.
But, I don't think I'd ever try to publically humiliate and shame one of the kids years later. I'd never try to ruin their big day, rather it's a job, the school of their choice or whatever.
Maybe I'm in the minority, here.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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Because you're an adult.
Dec 28, 2020, 3:13 PM
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You know doing that won't solve the problem. We're looking at the actions of two kids, but some in here think only one is worthy of being excused. Again, I think this boy will regret doing it one day. His judgment likely isn't much better than hers when she said the word. But she's not a saint here and he's not a villain, and he's not deserving of the attacks, either.
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"She's not a saint here". Did she murder some black
Dec 28, 2020, 3:18 PM
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children toward the end of the snapchat or what? He made her a national pariah, which I would say constitutes villain status. It's not like she was marching tiki torch in hand with Richard Spencer, good god.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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A bit hyperbolic
Dec 28, 2020, 5:09 PM
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She's not a saint. That's all there is to it. I didn't draw a comparison to her and the likes of Richard Spencer, did I?
I doubt his intention was to make her a national pariah but instead to ruin her chances at Tennessee. As stated, I think he'll look back one day and wish he hadn't done that.
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Lol, ohh..he just wanted to ruin her chances of getting
Dec 28, 2020, 5:31 PM
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Into college. No big deal I guess. I don’t think anyone’s pretending she’s a saint, but I find the whole “let’s wreck some people’s lives for awhile over some ultimately trivial ########” thing pretty appalling. And he threw his own dad under the bus, LOL.
I’m not stomping around outraged or anything, but I truly don’t see how anyone can come out of this story looking at this guy as anything but a huge #######. She shouldn’t have posted the video, and that was really stupid....but should her house be burned down too? Maybe her dad should get fired? But he’ll regret it one day, so it’ll be ok.
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Gridiron Giant [15526]
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Re: Lol, ohh..he just wanted to ruin her chances of getting
Dec 28, 2020, 6:13 PM
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Some are also saying her life isn't ruined.
How many hr people will hire her, now? Besides someone at Hardee's.
I know I wouldn't.
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If she's blonde she has a future at fox news.***
Dec 28, 2020, 6:40 PM
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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I don't know how many times...
Dec 28, 2020, 9:07 PM
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I have to say that I don't condone his actions. But he's a kid, just like her. And ultimately, if you record yourself doing something stupid, that's on you, not the person who shares it. The onus of personal responsibility rests on her. Does she deserve to have her life destroyed? Certainly not. But don't blame others for sharing something you recorded and sent out.
I haven't said anything is "okay" with his actions. That's you putting words in my mouth and, once again, getting hyperbolic.
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She made a bad decision in an instant. He plotted ruining
Dec 29, 2020, 6:18 AM
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Her life for years. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you call people psychopathic for a lot less than that.
I don’t care how old you are, there’s a callous maturity required to have a lightbulb go off over plotting someone’s demise, and carrying it out to a lengthy conclusion.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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Re: She made a bad decision in an instant. He plotted ruining
Dec 29, 2020, 10:08 AM
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Actually, he didn't hold it for years. We all--including me--got that detail wrong. I went back and looked at the article, and it says he had not seen the video until his and her senior year. So he actually didn't plot this out over three years.
This doesn't appear to be a sinister plot to destroy someone but rather more of a "gotcha!" moment that became a bigger ordeal than he likely planned. Again, I think he'll regret that decision one day.
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You're basically pulling the "don't do anything illegal
Dec 29, 2020, 10:59 AM
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and you won't have anything to worry about" card, and down playing the very real consequences this girl and her family will probably face for the rest of their lives. All because of what? Because this little ahole decided he wanted to be a social justice warrior for internet fame? It's not good enough that he might feel bad about it later, I'm sorry. That doesn't erase the damage done. What do you think this kind of stuff does to race relations?
I get the sense that you somewhat feel he was justified in this because she used the n-word, even though it wasn't even used in a malicious context. The benefit of the doubt you're giving him seems insane to me. I don't think you'd be so cavalier if it was your kid caught up in it. This quite literally could happen to anyone with a pre-teen/teenage kid.
Granted, I also think the college administrators should be shouldering a lot of the shaming.
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Re: You're basically pulling the "don't do anything illegal
Dec 29, 2020, 11:08 AM
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The Times should also shoulder some of the blame.
Seriously, is this worth a story in the N.Y. Times?
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The contortions some of you guys go through to defend this
Dec 28, 2020, 11:41 PM
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rag absolutely astounds me.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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I've requested multiple times in this thread...
Dec 29, 2020, 10:09 AM
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For someone to break down the article and show me what's wrong with it. Y'all won't do it. I can only posit none of you have read the actual article and are just trusting the ramblings of Fox.
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Re: Stop. Don't be like them.
Dec 29, 2020, 11:12 AM
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My question is why would someone keep that for 3 yrs? He had some motive. I think it was to ruin her life @ the right time.
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So, hold up...
Dec 28, 2020, 2:55 PM
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She records herself using a racial slur, sends it over a private chat, and it gets out to all her classmates. Then a fellow classmate, a black kid who has been fed up with racism at his school, makes it public years later, and he's now a prick?
I'm thinking some folks here need lessons in personal responsibility.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: So, hold up...
Dec 28, 2020, 2:59 PM
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Yes, he’s a vindictive little prick. They’re stupid kids. We all did things at 15 we regret.
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Gridiron Giant [15526]
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Re: So, hold up...
Dec 28, 2020, 3:02 PM
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I'm sure we all did at 15. I dont recall using derogatory terms but boy was I stupid.
I'm not sure any of us want to go down that road and have things we said/did at 15 years old made public.
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Re: So, hold up...
Dec 28, 2020, 3:04 PM
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On the flip side, social media can be a killer. My boys are just now beginning to use some media (with my over protective eyes watching) but I tell them constantly, do NOT say or do anything you wouldn't want me or grandma to see. LOL
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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So your argument is...
Dec 28, 2020, 3:05 PM
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Groves: Sweet little innocent girl who did something stupid at 15 which, you know, she recorded and shared.
Galligan: Evil vindictive 18-year-old prick who dared to make that same video public three years later
Does that sum it up?
Doing something stupid like recording yourself using a racial slur is completely forgivable at 15 but sharing that same video at age 18 isn't forgivable?
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Gridiron Giant [15526]
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Re: So your argument is...
Dec 28, 2020, 3:08 PM
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Forgivable, yes.
Calling it for what it is, vindictive also a yes.
Jmho.
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Re: So your argument is...
Dec 28, 2020, 3:09 PM
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And I don't disagree that it's likely vindictive. But attacking him and calling him names is engaging in the same behavior folks in this post are claiming he did.
I think years from now, he'll look back and have a different view of his actions. Just as she will with hers. I don't think either of them are worthy of being attacked.
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Not the same at all.
Dec 28, 2020, 8:49 PM
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He wanted to ruin her chances of being a college cheerleader over something minor that happened 3 years earlier and that she'd already apologized for. We're pointing out on a distant (yet very prestigious) fotum that he's a prick for doing that. Those two things are not in the same universe.
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Re: So your argument is...
Dec 28, 2020, 7:04 PM
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I was arrested three times before I was 18...for some fairly serious stuff.
I'm...very glad that stuff was expunged from my record, and that I was allowed to learn from my mistakes.
Ruining somebody's life for something they did at 15 is not cool unless the kid is just plain a psychopath and can't be helped.
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Well...there is a certain coaches daughter
Dec 28, 2020, 3:09 PM
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who allowed some pics of herself to get out that she probably wished would never have happened. I don't know her personally, but I can't imagine she looks back on that with any bit of happiness. Did she deserve what happened to her?
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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No.
Dec 28, 2020, 3:11 PM
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And I'm not arguing this girl in particular deserves it either. Kids doing stupid ####. But let's not try to attribute blame to someone else for making things public when the girls in question put on a show for the camera. Stupid? Yes. Worthy of being ruined? No. Anyone else's fault? Nope.
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Re: So your argument is...
Dec 28, 2020, 9:01 PM
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Paw Master [16640]
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Yes that is exactly right. The 15 (14?) year old had no
Dec 28, 2020, 11:44 PM
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actual intent to hurt anyone, the 18 year old enacted a plan of pure malice three years in the making for the sole purpose of hurting someone.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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No.
Dec 29, 2020, 10:10 AM
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He didn't plot it out over three years. He didn't see the video until he and she were seniors.
At the end of the day, the personal responsibility rests on the person who recorded the video, and you know that. You all know that but don't want to admit it.
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Paw Master [16640]
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You’re wrong. You’ve created this perception of
Dec 29, 2020, 12:14 PM
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those who disagree with you and it helps you not listen to them.
1). The punishment absolutely does not fit the crime.
2). My mistake on the duration but the malice and planning is obvious. She was a freshman who used a socially unacceptable word once.
3). I don’t know if you have kids but hopefully they never make a mistake when they are 15 years old. Oh, I know, I know...you’ll raise them better. But seriously, if it was your kid you would justifiably expect some level of grace.
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Re: You’re wrong. You’ve created this perception of
Dec 29, 2020, 12:46 PM
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I've shared this before and will again.
My ex wife filmed videos for my viewing pleasure back in the day. Now, if I decide to share those videos, what does that make me? Is it still all her fault because after all, she is the one who filmed them?
Should I send those videos to the media or to UPS, her current employer?
I do believe the girl shouldn't have filmed herself but she was 15 years old. My opinion may be different had she been 25 years old but she was just a kid.
And yes, the guy clearly wanted to create as much damage as possible for her. He is a prick.
Side note: if the money is right, I'll be a total ####### and share the videos. ??
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Correct. Gathering and sitting on evidence for years to
Dec 28, 2020, 3:35 PM
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use maliciously at some point in the future generally makes someone a prick. He even threw his own dad under the bus.
Good thing he derailed her life to teach everyone a lesson, I guess. Even though she had apologized to the person she originally sent it to well before this went viral.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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Again...
Dec 28, 2020, 5:11 PM
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I don't condone what he did, but she has no one to blame but herself for recording that video and sending it. I think he'll regret what he did. Maliciously attacking him makes one guilty of the same thing people in this thread are feigning outrage over.
And it's feigned.
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Feels like your “understanding” is feigned as well.***
Dec 29, 2020, 6:22 AM
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That makes no sense.***
Dec 29, 2020, 10:09 AM
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TigerNet Immortal [176589]
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But does the sense also make no?
Dec 29, 2020, 10:22 AM
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Just think on THAT for a minute.
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Nope, but...
Dec 28, 2020, 2:53 PM
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At the end of the day, she recorded it and sent it to people on social media. I doubt this is going to completely ruin her life, but if you were in Tennessee's shoes, you'd have cut bait in this situation as well.
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"The slur was in all the songs we listened to ..."
Dec 28, 2020, 8:32 PM
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That's a huge part of the problem. It's openly part of the popular culture they all want to be part of, they use the word, then they are hammered for it. It's total ########. Society needs to decide if that word is acceptable or not and apply the standard equally and fairly. It's wrong that this girl was denied acceptance into a school on these grounds and under these circumstances.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108402]
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Well, with Trump gone, expect more of their old playbook
Dec 28, 2020, 2:09 PM
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Doesn't make them any better than Fox News though, or News Max, or OAN, or whatever else. I don't participate in any of it really.
Also don't participate in the Lunge snap, although it is entertaining. Heaven forbid I get rich or famous some day and something comes back to haunt me. Nope, don't FB, or anything else.
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The number of times I see that you're typing in there
Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 PM
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and then NEVER ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING is killing me.
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Go to my onlyfans and cam up then.
Dec 28, 2020, 4:21 PM
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 2:17 PM
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Maybe she should try a career in Rap.
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 2:48 PM
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bLaCk PeOpLe GeT 2 saY tHe N-wOrd so we sHoUlD too!!!!!!
Am I catching your drift here? You gotta be more subtle than that.
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 3:38 PM
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I think it's classless when anyone says it, but you keep making assumptions. You are good that.
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There's no such thing as cancel culture.
Dec 28, 2020, 2:30 PM
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Personally, I think we should allow teenagers to learn and move on from their mistakes, but I'm not losing sleep cause someone couldn't go to their dream school.
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What the faux outragers aren't noting...
Dec 28, 2020, 2:51 PM
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Is that the girl recorded herself and shared it on social media first. I don't think her life should be ruined, but she has only herself to blame.
Maybe we need more lessons for teens on not recording themselves using racial slurs.
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Re: What the faux outragers aren't noting...
Dec 28, 2020, 6:58 PM
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this really is a slap in the face to actual racists.
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I'm not sure I agree with that.
Dec 28, 2020, 3:07 PM
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People do and say dumb stuff on line all the time. I can probably do a quick google search and find a few who have said something on twitter or facebook that resulted in them being cancelled without hesitation.
The first thing people want to do is get that other person fired, which is something I've never understood. And I've always wondered..should the elimination of someone result in a lifetime ban from working, or is it just THAT current job? Is one job enough penance for saying something dumb online? Or is death really the correct punishment? What is the correct punishment for a 3 year old dumb tweet from a tweener?
I'm glad there was no twitter of facebook or camera phones when I was growing up. I'm sure I did and said a lot of dumb things. I would probably never gave been allowed to work in my entire life.
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So here's the article.
Dec 28, 2020, 2:50 PM
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I'm going to go ahead make some points/assumptions. Correct me where I'm wrong with each point.
1. You didn't read the NY Times article but instead got suckered in again by faux outrage generated by Fox News. It's probably definitely a TLASDR (Too Long And Smart, Didn't Read) situation for you.
2. That Fox article is atrocious reporting. Will cite it line-by-line upon request if you want evidence.
3. I'm not a big fan of a kid having her life ruined, even with a dumb mistake like this when she was even younger. Kids are kids, and we all did stupid #### when we were kids. What does appear to be the case is that you and Fox and the other people who didn't read the actual article seem more upset at someone pointing out a person used the N-word rather than the fact someone used it, which has been quite a trend here with some people. It appears her school has some serious unaddressed racial issues, and this one student (whom you are also trying to attack in the same way you criticize him) had enough.
4. Again, your attack of this other kid shows your hypocrisy. It can only be assumed that you are glad this pretty little white girl said the word, and you're so mad someone called her on it that you want THAT kid's life destroyed. That highlights your extremely low character, wanton hypocrisy, and absurdly partisan hackery. I doubt this girl is a POS. I doubt this boy is a POS. But you certainly are one as evidenced by this post.
5. The girl recorded herself and put it on social media first. Private message? Sure. Does that mean she deserves her life ruined? No. But who is to blame for it? Her. Only her. No one else.
6. Read the actual article below and tell me, with specific examples, how it's "celebratory".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.html
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Re: So here's the article.
Dec 28, 2020, 6:50 PM
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Regarding point 2, Fox's sole contribution to the story was to find two twitter accounts that reacted negatively to the story.
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That's the fun of it.
Dec 28, 2020, 11:24 PM
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NY Times actually did a pretty good and balanced reporting job (and even raises issues over whether the boy should have released the video again), and Fox comes jumping in to trash it all the while exercising #### poor journalism. Because they know people like NC_Tiger_ will react to it without bothering to read the real article.
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 3:49 PM
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Sounds like she wasn't being racist at all and just didn't realize she couldn't say the word even in that context. I think the dude should have just moved on. He looks like a chick by the way.
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Simple apology by the girl should have sufficed all parties.***
Dec 28, 2020, 5:41 PM
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Is that privilege?
Dec 28, 2020, 5:24 PM
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Clearly some are more privileged than others.
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 10:57 PM
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I can't read the NYT w/o paying, so obviously I'm not going to do that.
Catahoula says the situation is unfortunate, but she recorded it. W T F? It is true she recorded it, but three years later this a-hole purposefully makes a big deal about it.
If this happened to one of my kids, that MF would have a giant problem on his hands. Who is this jerkoff to bring this up after three years? I would make it my life's goal to put that POS in his place. I hope he gets what he deserves...after he has a good job and promising career someone digs up a 10 sec video or photo that gets his a$$ canceled worse than the young lady.
Cat is the biggest progressive on the board. No saving him. Completely warped sense of reality and right and wrong. Will defend Jussie Smollett to the end...that's all you need to know.
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Tiger Titan [48664]
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Interesting post.
Dec 28, 2020, 11:07 PM
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Well, first, you've pretty much secured the title of biggest idiot on here. "Progressive" isn't an insulting term, and I'm afraid I'm not the biggest one on here. I still got some pretty backassward ways about me. But as far as being progressive--you know, making progress as the word suggests--that's not an insult.
You're kinda newish on this particular board, but I did the exact opposite of defending Jussie Smollett. Just the fact that his name is "Jussie" is enough to not defend him.
As for this:
If this happened to one of my kids, that MF would have a giant problem on his hands. Who is this jerkoff to bring this up after three years? I would make it my life's goal to put that POS in his place. I hope he gets what he deserves...after he has a good job and promising career someone digs up a 10 sec video or photo that gets his a$$ canceled worse than the young lady.
Well, you're an angry little man, and no, you're not ever doing anything to anyone. Ever. Let's again not forget you had one of the most embarrassing P&R posts of all time: Advocating the imprisonment of people for different political opinions and basically a civil war. You can't wash that stain off you, and no one on this board can ever--EVER--take anything you say seriously. You canceled yourself.
Finally, answer this question: Who is responsible for recording themselves and putting it on social media? Anyone other than the actual person?
If you think someone else is to blame when someone shares a video the person in question recorded, then I suggest actually being a real conservative and advocating personal responsibility.
You also haven't read the article nor have you cited how it's "celebrating" what happened. Why? It's too long and advanced for you to read. Prove me wrong.
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 28, 2020, 11:09 PM
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We're all praying that nobody shares videos of your kids' saying the n word. Hopefully you've taught them only to to do that on parler.
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Re: Good example of the lunacy of the left
Dec 29, 2020, 12:54 PM
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To be fair, myself and many other liberals called out the Times on Twitter. So, don't lump us all together
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