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New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 10:39 AM
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 10:50 AM
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### David, I though you were about tell us something good. But you only talked about when were good years ago. None of that counts for anything now, not when we are as bad as we are now. ###!!!
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 1:23 PM
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If a change is made with the baseball program, it will be interesting to see who the AD goes after. It seems his history has been one of a bargain hunter - look at the people he brought in at Tech and the ladies Basketball coach at Clemson, none of these folks were big names.
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 9:13 PM
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And we are bad. I'm not a baseball fan, but it seems to
me that we aren't recruiting well, and that this team is
sorely lacking in talent. Teams with raw talent get progressively better. This team seems to have gotten worse.
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 10:51 AM
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Start with change of pitching coach! Get John Pawlowski back. Pep is worst pitching coach ever!
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 11:10 AM
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TROUBLES STARTED AS PITCHING COACHES LEFT AND
DEVELOPED VERY GOOD COLLEGE PROGRAMS.
NEED TO CHECK RECRUITING TRAILS ALSO.
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Hope left the building when SCar won the first game
Apr 29, 2014, 10:53 AM
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after Clemson was leading 6-0.
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Orange Blooded [4444]
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The music may have died 4 years ago......
Apr 29, 2014, 10:54 AM
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but we caught the disease at the 2002 CWS.
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Athletic Dir [1178]
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Re: The music may have died 4 years ago......
Apr 29, 2014, 10:56 AM
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Absolutely...2002 is when the slide started...
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 10:54 AM
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It's Jack who let it get in his head, his attitude pressures the team, he's lost it. Time for new blood.
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 11:07 AM
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You said it best
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Weren't we up 8-0 going in the 9th G3 vs Alabama
Apr 29, 2014, 11:03 AM
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and we let them come back. I don't recall if it was the SS or 3rd that let a ball roll right through his legs.
Maybe that should have been some sort of omen.
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Orange Blooded [2378]
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Yes.
Apr 29, 2014, 11:34 AM
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The Tigers were also up 6-1 on the Sooners when there was a rain delay. Clemson almost let that game slip away. I felt that the completion of the Oklahoma game was when the team fell apart. I have no idea why.
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Give Jack a raise!***
Apr 29, 2014, 11:03 AM
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As in a tailgate lift on the back of a moving van.
Apr 29, 2014, 12:13 PM
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 11:09 AM
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It's time for Jack to go. A four year slide is unacceptable. The pattern of losses to elite programs continues. We should not wait two more years for his contract to run out. I will be contacting the BOT and D Rad to voice my feelings...this is embarrassing to a program with a winning tradition and resources to get the job done. Poor Coach Wilhelm is probably rolling over in his grave.
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 11:20 AM
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you said it best
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At least you admit 4 years.....
Apr 29, 2014, 11:20 AM
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it's a "young team"
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Re: At least you admit 4 years.....
Apr 29, 2014, 6:10 PM
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Every team is "young" at some point.
Your reasoning is "old".
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The mindset has flipped
Apr 29, 2014, 11:35 AM
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David Hood?, this is a well written article and spot on.
As a lifelong Gamecock I once HATED to go to Clemson for any sporting event. There is no doubt in my mind that the biggest shift in our rivalry is the MINDSET.
Gamecocks of the past would HOPE to win while the Tigers EXPECTED to win. My experiences at Death Valley and Doug Kingsmore the past several years have convinced me that many Clemson players/fans now expect/wait for bad things to happen and then fold when things go wrong.
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Smartest Post By a Gamecock on this Board Ever***
Apr 29, 2014, 11:44 AM
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^^^Confessed Coot will not like this***
Apr 29, 2014, 12:23 PM
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Yep.***
Apr 29, 2014, 11:37 AM
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A change must be made.
Apr 29, 2014, 11:40 AM
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The change must be made at the top. If not, the team will continue to drift down and down until we will not recognize it anymore. In the meantime, lets not be negative and support the players.
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Best written article around here in a long time...
Apr 29, 2014, 11:44 AM
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Very good job and I am just sick that the entire thing appears to be spot on!
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 11:44 AM
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David is such a goober
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Bet he thinks doubles are more exciting than HRs, too.
Apr 29, 2014, 12:17 PM
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Its baseball.***
Apr 29, 2014, 11:46 AM
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bout time some of y'all joined me…
Apr 29, 2014, 12:15 PM
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writing has been on the wall
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Hard to argue. The lack of confidence is apparent.
Apr 29, 2014, 12:44 PM
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Fielding, batting and pitching all take mindless confidence. Our players are tight and slow to react, just like Jack...
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As d@mning an indictment as I've heard yet***
Apr 29, 2014, 1:07 PM
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clearly something has to change after this season
Apr 29, 2014, 1:16 PM
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if we don't make it to Omaha, there needs to be some coaching changes. As much as I hate to be one of those "fire the coach" people, I think it might be time to move on. Maybe Jack can find his "Chad Morris" to turn things around, but I'm not optimistic.
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 1:26 PM
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Thanks for writing about the elephant, or should I say Woolly Mammoth, on our baseball diamond David. Written with class towards the current coaches and players to boot. Jack has to go though IMO. If we collapse the rest of this season it would be nice if he would just retire now. He has thrown away so much goodwill, that I can't be classy about it anymore myself.
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What I think changed the Clemson in the CWS was the
Apr 29, 2014, 1:41 PM
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delay against Okla. After the game resumed, Clemson didn't seem the same. If that game hadn't been delayed, I honestly believe they would have won the CWS. Just my thoughts.
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The lefty dominated lineup killed that team
Apr 30, 2014, 9:48 AM
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Clemson struggled against lefties all year. Roth was a left handed specialist and no one knew just how good he was. It was a perfect storm in that game but it had nothing to do with a weather delay.
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You may remember, David, that there were many on here who
Apr 29, 2014, 2:11 PM
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were actually pulling, yes, rooting for the Gamecocks to beat Oklahoma in the 2010 CWS so that we could "send them packing". All this while having a history lesson from 2002 staring them in the face.
Little did those fools know that it would actually be our program that would get sent packing. Ever since.
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Re: You may remember, David, that there were many on here who
Apr 30, 2014, 10:21 AM
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You hit the nail on the head. Never under any circumstances wish any success to any team from Columbia. If they are playing the devil still don't wish for them to win. The actions of some short sighted Clemson fans has placed a curse on our baseball team which may take years to overcome.
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and we said, bye bye Miss American pie, I drove my Chevy
Apr 29, 2014, 2:20 PM
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to the levy but the levy was dry, them good ole boys a drinking whiskey and wine singing this will be the day that I died!!! I think that is right.
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Well put and we sholdn't pull an FSU and keep Jack around
Apr 29, 2014, 2:32 PM
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"because he's a legend" like they did Bobby Bowden.
Does the administration have the courage to make the change? I doubt it.
It's time for a change; the pitiful atmosphere around Kingsmore will definitely impact recruiting (in a negative way, for sure).
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Re: Well put and we sholdn't pull an FSU and keep Jack around
Apr 29, 2014, 3:07 PM
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Sorry but a "Legend" is someone who wins a National Championship. A hall of fame coach for Jack, yes. Legend no. He is no Bobby Bowden or close to it.
> "because he's a legend" like they did Bobby Bowden.
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> Does the administration have the courage to make the
> change? I doubt it.
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> It's time for a change; the pitiful atmosphere around
> Kingsmore will definitely impact recruiting (in a
> negative way, for sure).
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Re: Well put and we sholdn't pull an FSU and keep Jack around
Apr 29, 2014, 3:33 PM
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Coach Jack Leggett has forgotten more baseball knowledge than I, or he, has ever learned!
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Its obvious he's forgotten a lot of baseball knowledge
Apr 29, 2014, 3:46 PM
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Siriously, if Jack Leggett and Clemson parted ways after this season, I have no doubt that he would be successful at some other school. But sometimes 20 years is just too long at 1 place.
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Orange Blooded [2438]
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Spot on, but can you PLEASE remove the photo?? :(
Apr 29, 2014, 3:37 PM
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Just waaay too f%&@ing painful a memory.......
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Re: Spot on, but can you PLEASE remove the photo?? :(
Apr 29, 2014, 3:41 PM
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Right on Mr. Hood. The music has died ! Time for a change.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Second thoughts on the article
Apr 29, 2014, 3:43 PM
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I think its a well written article and to the point, but it doesn't focus on what has changed since 2010 (or even prior to 2010). That 2010 team actually overachieved in the playoffs. We had less than 40 wins going into the ACC. I know we got swept by Tech, and I think we lost series to Duke, UVA and UNC...not to mention the random midweek losses.
So what changed after 2010 or even prior to 2010 to get us to this point? I'm at the point where I do think we need a change at the top, but are there other fundamental issue that needs to be addressed. Did Barkers academic focus hurt the baseball program? Was TDP asleep at the wheel? How do the salaries for assistants/baseball budget compare to schools we compete with? Did Jack hit his head and forget how to coach?
Not to be a huge nerd about it, but if it is anything short of Jack forgetting how to coach, we could be in this funk for a while if other areas aren't fixed as well. I think the baseball program is a perfect legacy for TDP. He allowed other programs to outwork us on the administrative side. Maybe this change to Academic Common Market could be a first step back.
The music might have started to fade out in 2006 when we went to the CWS as a national #1 seed or 2007 when we got hosed/didn't put in a good bid and was sent to Miss St for the Super Regionals.
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Apr 30, 2014, 2:59 PM
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Leggett should have been gone after 2008***
Apr 29, 2014, 3:53 PM
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 6:13 PM
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There needs to be 1 slight correction to this story. When we won against Alabama, the team did not celebrate with the Cajun Cafe. They celebrated with "The Cheap Seats" as the fans in the Cheap Seats showered them with over 25 bottles of the cheapest champagne you can get.
I do agree there needs to be a change, where, I am not sure. The attitude in the club house right now is not a good one and that creates a major problem.
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It died in 2002, with first loss to coots in cws***
Apr 29, 2014, 6:50 PM
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Started the first day Legette slid head first at Doug K.***
Apr 29, 2014, 7:14 PM
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Re: Started the first day Legette slid head first at Doug K.***
Apr 29, 2014, 8:14 PM
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What???
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this article was very spot on******
Apr 29, 2014, 9:10 PM
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Leggett's days are numbered
Apr 29, 2014, 10:30 PM
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when TN starts writing negative articles.
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Re: New Story: Hood: The Day the Music Died
Apr 29, 2014, 10:34 PM
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IMO the slide has to do with baseball becoming a revenue sport at more schools and not being able to out recruit strictly with superior facilities.
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Finally people are seeing the light. But one has to wonder
Apr 29, 2014, 11:52 PM
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If batters interference had been called against the coots in that first game in Omaha that lead to the eventual winning run being scored how things might be different.
The best word to describe the baseball program now is "stale"
A change is needed. Clean house. I just hope it's not too late.
As for the Facilities excuse tell that to FSU*
* Fresno State.
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Re: Finally people are seeing the light. But one has to wonder
Apr 30, 2014, 7:27 AM
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I wasn't using facilities as an excuse. I would agree with your point. I was saying 10-15 years ago Clemson could out recruit people strictly because they had one of the bigger baseball budgets and top 10 facilities. One on an even plane with many programs, deficiencies have shown.
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Re: Finally people are seeing the light. But one has to wonder
Apr 30, 2014, 2:43 PM
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The player facilities are awful at Clemson! Has anyone been in the locker room? The team room? The showers are nasty. They put a couple garbage cans throughout the locker room and team room to catch the rain that leaks through the ceiling. The football team has benefited from updated player facilities and it shows in recruiting. The baseball program cannot convince a high school potential 2nd round draft pick to not sign and come to Clemson to spend 3 years in that dump. The new plans are amazing!!! It is all about recruiting and winning those kids with the idea that it would be a better experience at Clemson with all of these amenities and getting drafted 3 years later for more money rather than playing in crap town usa the next 3 years. It is an arms race of facilities. Carolina and USC have both spent over $30M building their facilities which have amazing team space. Vanderbilt and UVA have invested heavily as well. We have new outfield stands... YIPEE!!!! Get the capital campaign completed and finish the renovations and then see how the program competes. If you all want a better product.... invest!!! They will take your donations!!!
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Thing about that argument is
Apr 30, 2014, 3:59 PM
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the fact that in the early part of Jack's career here he had some of the best facilities in the country and still couldn't win championships.
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Apr 30, 2014, 2:14 PM
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And not to be pedantic but they didn't run to the 'Cajun Cafe'. They went straight for the Cheap Seats crew primarily, and the Bushpigs who were fortunate enough to have set up next to them for years. Very cool picture of it which hangs near the ATM in the Esso, now that's a great student memory.
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