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Stats don't lie
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I understand the rage some people have about losing last night because they think a coach makes the difference in every game. In our 3 worst losses of the season, Loyola Chicago, Louisville and Morehead,
here are the numbers for 3 point and foul shots.
Clemson 3 point shots 13-73 Clemson foul shots 32-45
Opponents 3 point shots 28-78 Opponents foul shots 51-56 (crazy almost 91%)
We got outscored by 45 on 3 point shots and 19 on foul shots. If you put aside your dislike for Brownell and your belief that a coach determines how people shoot in every gave, just look at the numbers because they do not lie. I promise you if you are an NCAA Pool, you will have a team that has an off night and gets beat by a team shoots light out and it doesn't matter who the coach is.
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Not now, Valley-coot.***
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Re: Not now, Valley-coot.***
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:58 AM
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You didn't mention the loss to that sorry coot team.
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What he omits is
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Mar 16, 2023, 1:57 PM
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the 3rd place team in the ACC should be able to beat any quad 4 team even if they're 0-50 on three pointers
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correct, the chunk it at the hoop and run back
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:59 AM
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offense didn't execute that well..... again.
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Neither does your pulse coot!***
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:00 AM
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You just described mid major or lower level basketball. Unfortunately, that is not the division we play in.
A good coach plays inside out. Has rebounders, rim protectors. When outside shots are not going, they drive in and go to the rim. Get fouled or make it happen. Brad just sits back and lets them keep chunking.
As for the other team making 3s. Well - coaches teach defense.
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:00 AM
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here’s a stat, nancy:
3 of 13
the only stat that matters.
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:02 AM
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On those off nights that's why you drive to the basket with the 9th best free throw shooting team.
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:10 AM
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You wrote a long statement to look even more stupid.
Brownell has everything to do with this loss. There was plenty of mis-matches last night.
5’11” vs 6’10” and we didn’t drop it down. Common sense says easy basket.
3 players the entire night offensively just stood there.
Brownell has not had a single offensive scheme his entire duration of coaching with Clemson.
Granted he has a great Defensive mind, but his offensive intangibles are at best elementary level.
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Bingo. It begins and ends with the coaching, or
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Mar 16, 2023, 12:43 PM
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lack thereof.
CLEARY we have a coaching issue.
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:14 AM
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So, you don't think a coach can change up the way the offense operates/attacks a bit when things are clearly not going the way they hope during the course of game? It was obvious that the 3s weren't falling last night and we still appeared to run nothing but pass the ball around a bit and then throw up a rushed 3 more often than not. Maybe Brownell could coach one player to attempt to make an offensive rebound on off nights?
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Not CBB !!! He’s a one trick pony:
Mar 16, 2023, 1:16 PM
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That is blind, lame and glue factory reject. His one trick is to make Neff look like a bigger fool than he is.
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Exactly. Why keep doing the same thing over and over if it's not working? In football if you rush the ball 20 times in the first half for 22 yards or something would it be acceptable if the coach comes out and runs the ball in the 2nd half another 20 times for another 22 yards in a loss? Would your response after the game be it's not the coaches fault we weren't able to run the ball better?
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:22 AM
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So, I'm not going to claim to be a basketball expert, as I don't follow it all that closely, but from what I know, this is entirely wrong.
There are a ton of ways to gameplan basketball. Many teams dominate from within the paint and rely on rebounding and defensive play. Kansas is an example of that, who shoots 30% on threes in the last 10 games of the season but were very high percentage on points on the inside. I think the women's coot team does the same. Houston relies on their length to create turnovers and then score on the transitions.
Brownell's entire offense is built around spreading out and trying to sink threes. When you live or die by the three, you're playing a high risk, high reward game. Yes, if things are clicking, you have the potential to compete with the big boys. If things are not, you can lose to the worst teams in the country. It's an inconsistent style of play.
You can't point to poor shooting in those losses as an excuse for Brownell. That's a feature of his own philosophy. It's the equivalent of an option offense in football pointing to rushing stats and saying "when they run for under 200 yards, they lose. So it's on the players and not the coach." You can't selectively choose games where Brownell had things fall into place and then say that his offense is good, while pawning off bad games on the players.
Brownell gets credit for his upsets, but he also gets blame for losing when he does. And I do think this is his ceiling.
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 9:24 AM
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You are not wrong.
He did come from Wright St.
BTW does anyone know where Wright St. is without Googling it.
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Alaska??
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I would venture a guess...
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Mar 16, 2023, 11:54 AM
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but odds are, I would pick the Wrong St.
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 9:26 AM
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If shots are not falling then work your offense closer to the basket. That game should not have been close on our home court.
Blind leading the blind with some posters on here.
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WHY DO WE NEED TO SHOOT THE 3 BALL
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:29 AM
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against those crappy teams?!?
We should be able to drive and post to the paint and hit layups, dunks, and close jumpers all freakin night.
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Against All of Those Horrid Loss Teams, The Coach's Job
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:37 AM
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is to use his bench or scheme to mitigate those outcomes. Brad is not good at that and essentially just rides the wave of how the team is shooting, my cat could do that.
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Re: Against All of Those Horrid Loss Teams, The Coach's Job
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:38 AM
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He doesn’t have an Offensive Scheme.
He’s (Brownell) is a Defensive coach.
Basketball as we know is a 2 way game.
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:41 AM
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Blame the players when Clemson loses. Credit Brownell when Clemson wins. That makes sense.
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Re: Stats don't lie
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:42 AM
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Sounds like Coot Logic… No???
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Yes...
Mar 16, 2023, 9:59 AM
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and we had five of those this year not just one or two.
Part of the problem is, when the team goes through these long scoring droughts (like last night), which have been a frequent occurrence throughout CBB's tenure, he doesn't know how to coach them out of it. Instead, he lets them try to play their way out of it.
If things go according to plan, the team is more successful, but if not, CBB is terrible at making in-game adjustments when things start coming off the rails (like last night).
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Re: Yes...
Mar 16, 2023, 10:03 AM
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It all comes down to Offensive Schematics… of which BB doesn’t carry in his brain.
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 12:37 PM
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I don't disagree with anything said about the offense, but another issue is the trouble this team has defending the 3 point shot. That has been a factor is several of these losses, particularly to lesser teams.
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What's weird is we NEVER have off nights.
Mar 16, 2023, 12:42 PM
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It just doesn't make sense.
Except for the this has been a repeated problem over 13 seasons.
Yeah, everyone has poor shooting nights, but the ones who have less of those are the teams that don't lose to (5) teams ranked in the 200's.
Surely you can see how nonsensical your premise is, right? .. Right?!
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To your post
Mar 16, 2023, 1:41 PM
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It's funny how teams that do not drive to the paint and settle for off-balance three-pointers do not go to the free throw line. Seems like that would be a coachable skill set.
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This should be obvious to everyone.
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Mar 16, 2023, 1:47 PM
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But of course it isn't.
That, plus some people have an agenda and aren't willing to escape their echo chamber.
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Re: This should be obvious to everyone.
Mar 16, 2023, 2:48 PM
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"plus some people have an agenda and aren't willing to escape their echo chamber."
Oh the irony... LOL
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Re: This should be obvious to everyone.
Mar 16, 2023, 3:07 PM
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What’s obvious is that you are clueless about quality of coaches.
Brad is a chunk and run coach.
He cannot get inside, rim protectors, rebounders.
That’s coaching and recruiting. (Or lack of).
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Re: Stats don't lie***
Mar 16, 2023, 5:49 PM
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 5:54 PM
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VALLEY BOY: THE 3s aren't going in. Oh! That's why we need a coach -- to draw up some plays for lay-ups and 10 foot shots.
VALLEY BOY: What we hv is a BB that throws up his hands for 8 minute droughts. Then he calls a TO and they run one play for PJ Hall. Then throw-up more bricks. THAT'S NOT COACHING!
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Re: Stats don't lie
Mar 16, 2023, 6:44 PM
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Oh I’m sorry but who recruited those players again? Oh that’s right BB did.
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