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Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 22, 2023, 8:48 PM
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doing so says more than once, "Don't create narratives." Is the stunning irony of her comments about creating narratives lost on her???.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 22, 2023, 8:51 PM
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No better example of Woke than her. USC has no shame to have hired her and continue let her be the voice of their University.
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shes in chickentown not LA
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Mar 23, 2023, 7:55 AM
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No better example of Woke than her. USC has no shame to have hired her and continue let her be the voice of their University.
USC is in California and Carolina is in Chapel Hill. 
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Re: shes in chickentown not LA
Mar 24, 2023, 4:45 PM
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She is a great coach and recruiter but she is an angry ……….. woman.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 22, 2023, 9:38 PM
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Dawn goes pee-pee standing up!! Hate everything about her and her phony self!!
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Just another lying Lib-turd. Nothing new.***
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Mar 22, 2023, 10:31 PM
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 22, 2023, 10:33 PM
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I’ve said it before. Dawn Staley is exhibit A on everything that is wrong in this country. Everything.
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She's a really good coach...
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Mar 23, 2023, 7:43 AM
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but she needs to shut-up and leave he politics and her opinions in the locker room and just do her job.
Of course, the Capons will defend anything and everything she does or says because she wins.
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Not only that, but by expressing the views she is expressing
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Mar 23, 2023, 8:16 AM
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she further guarantees her untouchable status. If, for some reason fortunes reversed and she had several losing seasons and got fired, there would be riots in the street and buildings burning because of her victimhood status.
Here's what Dawn needs to understand: Men compete on a higher level than women, in that they are bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic. That makes their game, unless you have a friend or family member involved in women's basketball, more fun, exciting, compelling and interesting to watch. That's not a knock on women or women's sports - not at all. I have daughters who played sports growning up, and I supported and encouraged them every step of the way, volunteering and attending hundreds of swim meets, soccer and locrosse matches. I would do it all again in a heartbeat; my girls competed, had fun, learned some valuable lessons, and grew as young women. But, if they put on helmets and pads and decided to play in a women's football league, it would be absurd to demand that the masses of sports fans care as much about that as they do, say, Clemson football, or The Dallas Cowboys.
Dawn Staley is an amazing basketball coach, and what she has done for women's basketball at Coot U is truly incredible and admirable, and worthy of praise and recognition. But in most sports, including basketball, men compete at a much higher level, and put a product on the floor that because of that, people in general find more exciting and compelling. That's not wrong, and it's not unjust in any way; it's just life, it's reality.
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Re: She's a really good coach...
Mar 23, 2023, 8:19 AM
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I understand how someone could disagree with her, she’s brash and pretty misinformed. But trotting the ol’ “shut up and shoot the basketball” is the worst response. Somehow because she plays basketball instead of trolling internet she’s not afforded the right to free speech? Somehow because of her success and the media seeks her opinion she’s not afforded the right to free speech?
Understandably if thats your opinion, so be it. But I hope you don’t gripe when you feel like others are being silenced by the media or when other coaches and I hope you do when other athletes and coaches espouse opinions that align with your own.
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I didn't say she doesn't have the right to do that...
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Mar 23, 2023, 8:46 AM
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I'm simply saying that taking advantage of you celebrity status as an opportunity to espouse you own personal uninformed political agenda, whether that's left, right, or somewhere in the middle, is a slippery slope.
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Re: She's a really good coach...
Mar 23, 2023, 10:07 AM
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That's completely not what was said. Lol. Go get some reading comprehension courses. Free speech? She has it. If anything she is telling others not to write what they want to.
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Re: She's a really good coach...
Mar 23, 2023, 1:54 PM
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Reading comprehension isn’t the issue here, loose use of language is the issue. OP said Staley “needs to shut-up”, need is a requirement by very definition. OP is saying Staley should be required to keep her opinions to herself. That would be a violation of the first amendment were she compelled to “shut up”.
OP then clarified his point. He didn’t intend to imply she should be compelled to silent, but more specifically it may be wise for her to minimize her public posturing. An opinion that I would agree with and that doesn’t imply a violation of rights.
It’s unlikely that OP ever felt that her freedom of speech should be violated but to take his statement at face value, which is what strangers do when they communicate with each other, it very clearly stated that he believed her rights should not be the same as others.
I think we should all strive to be more careful of what we say and understand that the meaning of our statements are not strictly our own to determine, dialogue requires two participants and the audience is an active participant. I’m as guilty as anyone but it bears repeating.
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Re: She's a really good coach...
Mar 23, 2023, 6:14 PM
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But she's not silenced by the media, she's championed by the media, never fact checked by the media, applauded by the media & afforded front page/first row status by the media—
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Re: I have no problem with her speaking
Mar 24, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Her mind but please focus on something rather than race in every attempt to interact with the press and yes, please focus on basketball and dribbling and leave the politics and race out of the discussion.
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Do you feel the same when Dabo does it?
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Mar 23, 2023, 8:49 AM
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I don’t agree with her here (or very often at all tbf) but her saying this is no worse than the rants Dabo goes on. Just because we don’t agree with doesn’t mean she doesn’t have the right to say it.
I tuned her out a while ago and wouldn’t know what she says if she wasn’t posted on here so much.
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Again...
Mar 23, 2023, 8:59 AM
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I never said she doesn't have the right to do it.
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You didn’t answer my question. Do you feel the same way when Dabo rants about non football stuff?***
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Re: Do you feel the same when Dabo does it?
Mar 23, 2023, 6:21 PM
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My what a lazy analogy. The 2 are not comparable in that regard if Dabo had said anything as extreme or blatantly lied as she has in the past he would have been dismissed.
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Re: Do you feel the same when Dabo does it?
Mar 24, 2023, 1:25 PM
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Funny that I do not remember Dabo ever ranting repeatedly on race, politics, and how they are related to Championship football.
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I had to go listen to her comments to get some context...
Mar 23, 2023, 7:53 AM
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but im not sure exactly what she means.....is she referring to UConn or a few more marketable players getting more coverage? She didnt outright say it.
I think she is saying that the womens game only gets mention of stories/headlines about players that the mainstream viewer wants to hear/see? Which, its a business, so....
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 23, 2023, 8:49 AM
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She doesn't understand her job. She thinks her job is to win basketball games, and that winning is the be-all, end-all of it. In reality, her job, like all athletes and coaches, is to put butts in seats, sell tickets, sell merchandise, sell ads on TV coverage of her games. Now, she's done a pretty good job at getting SCAR fans to show up to their games, that's true. But SCAR is a women's basketball school...not much else going on there to entertain sports fans...
But women's basketball, women's sports in general, are played at a lower level. Championship women's soccer and hockey teams seem to regularly lose to U15 boys soccer teams. Are we supposed to be excited by the prospect of watching U15-boys squads compete?
Although the NCAA Division I men's basketball championship budget for the 2018-19 season was $28 million -- almost twice as much as the women's budget -- information provided by the NCAA on Friday also shows the men's tournament brought in a total net income of $864.6 million that season. The women's event lost $2.8 million -- the largest loss of any NCAA championship.
Information provided by the NCAA also shows a stark contrast in total revenue. The men generated $917.8 million, including media and ticket revenue, while the women generated $15.1 million, also including media and ticket revenue. Total attendance accounts for some of the disparity, as the men's basketball tournament had 690,000 fans, while the women's tournament had 275,000 fans.
Did you know that there are 308 teams in NCAA men's Division II basketball, and they have a tournament every year, too? Have you ever seen one of their games on TV? I'd be interested in how the NCAA Division I women's basketball coverage and tournament spending and setup compare to the men's Division II events.
Did you know that there are 124 NCAA men's Football Championship teams? They have a playoff championship every year. Have you ever seen one of their games on TV? There are also 245 Division II and Division III football teams. Ever see them on TV?
I cannot prove it, but I suspect that more NCAA women's Division I basketball is on TV than men's Division II. Why is that? Why are FCS football games seldom on TV? And Division II and III football games? Never heard on one being on TV. Why not? Isn't football a "revenue" sport?
In last year's women's tournament, there were complaints that their locker rooms were subpar compared to the men's. I wonder what a leading Division I women's basketball team locker room is like compared to a leading Men's Division II team's.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
Mar 23, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Continuing...
Let's consider some attendance figures for NCAA basketball, looking at 2018 as the last season unaffected by COVID restrictions [I had this data about 2 years ago, so the covid stuff was mor applicable than it might be today]
NCAA Men's Division I regular season
351 teams
5,324 games played
24,525,640 total attendance
4,607 average per game
NCAA Men's Division I tournament
692,859 total attendance
19,246 average per game
NCAA Men's Division II regular season
301 teams
4,262 games played
2,697,895 total attendance
633 average per game
NCAA Women's Division I regular season
349 teams
5,214 games played
8,108,291 total attendance
1,583 average per game
NCAA Women's Division I tournament (*)
10,500 average per game
(*) Since first rounds of women's games are played at higher-seeded team's home court (like men's NIT), those games are counted among the regular-season totals, the "tournament" figures above only include the neutral site later-round games and are obfuscated somewhat by aggregation (perhaps this is more discrimination against the women...they don't even keep good records of attendance at tournament?).
Men's National Figures by Total Attendance (all divisions combined)
Year Teams Attendance Average
2008 1,017 33,396,316 2,393
2009 1,017 33,111,020 2,365
2013 1,040 32,869,227 2,278
2007 982 32,835,863 2,449
2010 1,033 32,820,701 2,302
2012 1,030 32,781,399 2,292
2011 1,027 32,631,817 2,301
2015 1,060 32,510,647 2,195
2014 1,050 32,510,167 2,240
2016 1,067 32,382,283 2,168
Women's Top 10 Seasons by Total Attendance (all divisions combined)
Year Teams Attendance Average
2019 1,093 11,514,322 770
2018 1,092 11,495,642 774
2016 1,084 11,366,943 773
2013 1,055 11,350,473 797
2017 1,089 11,346,021 769
2012 1,055 11,210,832 790
2014 1,069 11,181,735 776
2009 1,032 11,160,293 818
2011 1,048 11,159,999 797
2010 1,037 11,134,738 800
Men's Division I Home Team Leaders
Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Kentucky 18 393,743 21,874
2. Syracuse 19 407,778 21,462
3. North Carolina 15 275,681 18,378
4. Wisconsin 18 310,901 17,272
5. Creighton 18 306,000 17,000
6. Louisville 22 371,427 16,883
7. Kansas 18 294,206 16,344
8. Tennessee 15 243,148 16,209
9. Arkansas 17 275,084 16,181
10. Indiana 18 280,631 15,590
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26. Marquette 20 246,469 12,323
27. West Virginia 17 209,164 12,303
28. Iowa 15 180,391 12,026
29. Minnesota 17 201,454 11,850
30. Villanova 13 153,775 11,828
Women's Division I Home Average Leaders
School G Arrendance Avg.
1. South Carolina 17 176,904 10,406
2. Iowa St. 20 191,462 9,573
3. Louisville 17 162,021 9,531
4. UConn 14 124,177 8,870
5. Mississippi St. 17 143,578 8,446
6. Notre Dame 17 143,382 8,434
7. Tennessee 17 136,471 8,028
8. Oregon 17 121,511 7,148
9. Iowa 17 115,546 6,797
10. Purdue 17 110,747 6,515
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Leftist are immune to irony. Full disclosure, I have no clue what she said***
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Mar 23, 2023, 8:56 AM
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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She is always biotching about something. She has that resting ##### face as it is.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 23, 2023, 9:51 AM
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Honestly who cares what she thinks? Carolina's own fans don't like her. They just keep her because she wins basketball games.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
Mar 23, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Her britches(literally) will continue to keep getting bigger as she get attention and forgets what she is at SC for.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Several of my Gamecock fan friends hate Dawn Staley because of her woke liberal beliefs and actions. I hate her because she wins but now I have two reasons to hate her. Lol
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
Mar 23, 2023, 1:37 PM
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I agree with your Gamecock friends. probably for the first time ever! She is an absolute winner in sports but a stone cold loser in life.
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What? Did Dawn promise one of her GF’s that she’d get her on TV?***
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Mar 23, 2023, 1:28 PM
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 23, 2023, 1:36 PM
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She/it is one angry black woman whose entire life is a narrative.
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No coverage?!?! She’s all you see when on TV now.***
Mar 23, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Tell that militant to look at the TV viewership and she will see
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Mar 23, 2023, 2:19 PM
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Nobody cares about WBB
Men’s NCAAT viewership last thursday was 9.2M
Friday was 9.3M
Women’s viewrship was 250,000
She is a troublemaker
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I didn’t know poop could communicate***
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
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Mar 23, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Here's the thing Dawn, the same people that aren't watching women's bball are the same folks that aren't hearing you gripe about people not watching women's bball.
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
Mar 23, 2023, 6:35 PM
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I love Dawn Staley
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
Mar 24, 2023, 1:35 PM
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UGA eaves dropper here.
This subject covers all the meaningful hatred biases. We get the full speed racists, misogynists, anti-LGBT , anti-SEC and the total universe of the white privileged and male dominant boosters of Clemson University.
With sincere and deep appreciation for the great takes soon to be widely shared with our target recruits, many from Aftican-American single mother households.
Don't you just love it!!
Back 2 Back.
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Who?***
Mar 24, 2023, 4:39 PM
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whats funny about staley
Mar 24, 2023, 7:27 PM
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is that the coots love her, but if she coached for any other team then they would absolutely despise her lol
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Re: Staley griping about coverage of women's basketball and in
Mar 24, 2023, 7:53 PM
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She’ll be at UConn talking spit about the Coots within 2 years
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