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Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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I’ve read a bunch of posts saying that the NIT is irrelevant we shouldn’t be playing in it, and the results mean nothing. I’ve even read posts saying that some of you won’t watch our game tonight.
Then I have also read posts saying that it would be horrible to lose an NIT game, and grounds for Brad to be fired.
Which is it, folks? Is this not an important tournament at all, in which case it doesn’t matter if we win or lose? Or is it so important that if we lose tonight, Brad should be fired for not having his team ready?
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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oh my! Again...
what kind of tv ratings does the NIT get? I rest my case...
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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You didn’t answer the question.
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Mar 15, 2023, 4:53 PM
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Please try again.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:28 PM
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NIT matters to someone. Not to me though.
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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Thanks for your honesty.***
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:30 PM
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The payout for winning the NIT is less than the payout for losing in the first round of the NCAAT. It's irrelevant compared to the real tournament, but I still hope we do well. It certainly wouldn't reflect well on our team (or their coach) if we were to lose to a team like Morehead State.
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Really?? Never heard that. Where did you get it?***
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:31 PM
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Surprising that different posters could have different opinions about the Not Invited Tournament. SMH
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It’s absolutely irrelevant imo***
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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Thanks.***
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Playing an FCS school in football doesn't matter and I may not even watch, but it is also grounds for firing if we were to lose. Both things can be true
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Game Changer [1755]
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Weird. I watch us play if it was against Daniel High School.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:39 PM
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Granted it would be Daniel vs Daniel at this point but I’d watch
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 7:35 PM
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But that FCS game does literally matter. If Clemson loses to an FCS team they don't go to the playoff. Even if the odds of them losing are slim, the game literally matters whether you take it for granted or not.
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Game Changer [1755]
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In the same vein, you should decide if anything you say matters
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:34 PM
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Not a week ago you were going on about how you’d be okay with making a move if they showed they would put more resources toward basketball.
Neffs pushing building another $40 million dollar facility to the BOT so what say you? Or do we wait until they approve it to can Brownell?
Maybe straighten out your own inconsistencies first before attacking others
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Tiger Titan [50729]
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You’re being ridiculous.
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Mar 15, 2023, 4:56 PM
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I’m fine firing Brad tomorrow if Clemson has decided it will pay a coach $4-$5 million a year who has had significant success at the high major level.
If Clemson wants to stay at the current salary range, I’d rather keep Brad, especially if it means we are committing to improving other aspects of the program.
There is nothing inconsistent about what I’m saying.
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CU Guru [1501]
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She goes down this road every year. Even she gets to a breaking point.
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Mar 16, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Every year when imminent failure is clear, she comes out and says, "I'm open to change". But then she posts multiple tirades explaining how we have the best coach in the ultraverse, and he's only handcuffed by poor facilities and fans. As if either of those things, even if true (but they're not) are no excuse for poor coaching.
13 years is more than enough data. It really appears Neff is okay with mediocrity or worse, and crap like we witnessed (again) last night.
Season tickets will plummetz and this program has become an afterthought. Sucks because we have so much untapped potential. This coach is incapable. Let's face the facts here.
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My take...
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:36 PM
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The NIT is a consolation prize, but if you're in it, you might as well play to win it.
Just my .02 cents.
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Re: My take...
Mar 15, 2023, 7:16 PM
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Same here. Just wish it was on tv.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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The NIT ONLY matters IF Clemson wins the whole thing. On top of being one of the worst snubs in recent years, you have the whole Brownell dilemma. There’s a tremendous amount of adversity for our program, and I think winning an NIT would absolutely mean something.
If you look closely, there are really good teams in the NIT often. Teams that often compete and win against the top talent in the nation.
But overall, Brad losing to Morehead St should really be the nail in the coffin for him. It won’t because of the announcement I guess, but it would make Neff look like an idiot. Who you agree with apparently.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:42 PM
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I'd love to see us win the NIT.
We didn't get the Big Dance invite, so let's reinforce we deserved to be there.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:42 PM
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That's easy enough.
It's not important in the absolute sense that even if we win we don't say we won a national title or anything. It's like a bowl win in football... it's nice but if you're not in the playoff? Meh.
It *IS* important for Brad and the team; if the goal was the NCAAs and we are keeping him because we think we 'should have been' in the tourney... then getting bounced day 1 doesn't really back up that assertion.
That being said, I'm of the 'if you're in it might as well win it' mindset myself.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:49 PM
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It's horrible anytime the Tigers take the field (floor) and lose. I don't care if it's basketball, football or tiddly-winks. I suppose the feelings are that we have enough participation banners. I think it's been well (over) stated in this forum the reasons Brownell should be fired, win or lose tonight.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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I think it is irrelevant to fans but I also think it can be a good experience for teams. I'm being serious about this next comment. We don't get a lot of post-season experience so anytime we have that opportunity we should take advantage of it. Everyone can benefit but especially our younger guys. We also potentially get to play some teams and styles that we might not normally see and that too can be helpful.
So, yes it is irrelevant but that doesn't mean it doesn't have any value for our team.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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If I had been the AD, I would have fired BB immediately after this Oakland game. The NIT is totally irrelevant, but Clemson should try its best to win as many games as possible. I think that number will be two.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 7:39 PM
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Clemson has had an excellent season but you just have to find something to be angry about even if it was literally years ago. Couldn't possibly let yourself enjoy that thing you claim to be a fan of huh?
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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I hate to say thanks for posting this. Cause I was really disappointed in losing that game back then. But that game was on my mind ever since we were named a #1 seed. There was a lot of similarities to that year, and this year regarding missing the NCCA tournament. Seeing the article again helped validate my memory of past performances.
Anyway, original thread asked does the NIT matter. I know a lot of fans say no. But for me, I say yes. I say yes because in the summer of 1997 I visited Clemson for orientation. I stopped by the old athletic building across from Littlejohn and saw the Trophy case room. It was a nice size room, and there was a lot, I mean a lot of Trophies for the football team. That said, there was a small, maybe a 30” wide cabinet in the corner that had a few trophies for our basketball team. It really was sad in comparison.
So, you have to accept that Clemson historically has not performed well in basketball. The past is the past. But we need to start building a solid, board foundation for the program. That’s why the NIT matters, or at least should matter to us. When you don’t have anything to begin with, you have to start some where. I would be proud if we could have hung/ hang banners in Littlejohn for those wins. It starts showing me that we beat the teams we should beat. We were so close with Shyatt. Brownell has had 2 really great opportunities, but we have squandered them. Not winning the first game on your court against an overmatched opponent is not good. And I am really disappointed in our coach for his/ our teams performance in this tournament. It was not worthy of his salary.
Anyway, another year in the books. We did win a lot of games. Hopefully next year will be better.
Go Tigers!
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CU Guru [1501]
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Tired of seeing the word "stun" with these inexplicable losses.
Mar 16, 2023, 11:38 AM
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It's not stunning anymore. Kind of like we expect and getting numb to it.
The AD is feeding us horse #### and telling us it's brownies.
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It means as much as playing in Paris. And serves the same purpose
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Mar 15, 2023, 3:56 PM
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Let the kids have fun.
Winning it would make them happy, but no, it doesn’t mean anything.
Your other “point” about it must be important if you would fire Brad if you lose is stupid. And you know it. He should have been fired long ago. Pathetically losing in the NIT would just be yet another data point of why.
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is there such thing as "confusion from too many data points"
Mar 15, 2023, 5:01 PM
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'cause if so, we're there.
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It matters a tad more than the cbi.***
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Completely irrelevent. Neff has already confirmed Brad's coming back regardless. Most don't agree with it, but that's the reality. We have another year of mediocrity to look forward to.
As regards to the NIT, how many office pools are there on the NIT? None.
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It’s not even televised***
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Unfortunately for Brad his job is to have the team prepared for every game, big or small. I know this is probably a surprise to you considering he is one of the worst coaches at the Power 5 level for losing to sub200 rpi teams. I can see why you might mistake his struggles as a coach for actual permission to phone it in against lesser competition. Hope the following help:
The NIT is a meaningless tournament. The results do, in fact, mean nothing.
Regardless, it would be horrible for Brad to lose a home game against a team that we dominate both in talent, resources, history, and ranking. All the things you insist determine the fate of a program (ironically, never coaching).
The tournament is not at all important. Brad should be fired for being a mediocre coach. Tonight should not matter at all. But since his job is to win basketball games and this opponent is over-matched in every regard he might want to try and give a little more effort than he did against Loyola-Chicago.
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Tiger Spirit [9128]
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FWIW ticket sales are slow
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just got an email offering free admission to University employees; tonight and tomorrow for the women's game
{they can keep my $15 - bought my ticket yesterday}
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 4:18 PM
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It's not important and yes BB should be fired if he doesn't get at least to the championship game.
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It absolutely matters to the
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players and rewards them for a nice season as a #1 seed with a legit homecourt advantage to make it to the NIT's final four in Las Vegas. Please take the Brownell crap out of the equation and "reframe" your focus on the players...you know, the people who actually play that you cheer for as a fan (if you're a real fan that is). The younger players will get quality practice and playing time that otherwise wouldn't even be allowed by NCAA rules. The games last night were pretty darn good and ESPN will absolutely be promoting the new twist this year of the finals in Vegas. The players will have a blast with a Vegas experience WHEN they make it there.
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Re: It absolutely matters to the
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You can’t take the coach out of the equation. He’s the ####### coach. Neff should have kept his mouth shut until after season - which has long been the policy. He’s basically told us that job performance simply isn’t part of Brownell’s job evaluation and forcing those of us that care to go scorched earth.
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Re: It absolutely matters to the
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players and rewards them for a nice season as a #1 seed with a legit homecourt advantage to make it to the NIT's final four in Las Vegas. Please take the Brownell crap out of the equation and "reframe" your focus on the players...you know, the people who actually play that you cheer for as a fan (if you're a real fan that is). The younger players will get quality practice and playing time that otherwise wouldn't even be allowed by NCAA rules. The games last night were pretty darn good and ESPN will absolutely be promoting the new twist this year of the finals in Vegas. The players will have a blast with a Vegas experience WHEN they make it there.
How many of these quality practices did the young players get?
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I am a Clemson fan.
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Mar 15, 2023, 4:28 PM
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I would watch Clemson play in a meaningless tiddly winks game, so I'll be watching tonight.
You however aren't a Clemson fan, you're a Brownell fan. What did you decide?
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Re: I am a Clemson fan.
Mar 15, 2023, 4:35 PM
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I'm not sure what your misunderstanding could be...it is important to the players and has little to nothing to do with Brownell as this point...he's gonna be back regardless.
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Re: I am a Clemson fan.
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Which is precisely the problem and needs to be communicated as loudly as possible. If he’s simply said the usual “full confidence” but we’ll address things after the season we could have gotten through the NIT in peace. Neff put crosshairs on Brownell in this ######## tourney we should be way beyond in year 13.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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I need more than two choices.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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It IS irrelevant which makes losing that much worse. Therefore, losing implies we are significantly irrelevant. Thus, a reflection on poor coaching, which is a reflection on poor athletic department management.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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The players are busting their rears practicing, are in a tournament playing, and are wearing “Clemson” jerseys. I am cheering for them. Go Tigers!
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Hey Judge, I want the Tigers to win the NIT. I was in favor of Clemson moving on to find someone who might be more successful with the basketball program in terms of making the Big Dance but since that's not happening this year, I'm putting it behind me. I hope Brownell can get some talent through the portal before next year...
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Does it matter what others think about the NIT? Any die hard Clemson fan wants to win anything that keeps score. I would pull for Clemson if we played marbles. I will probably not get to watch tonight, and I’m personally more interested in the softball game.
At the end of the day I could care less about the NIT besides the fact that Clemson is playing in it. If they were not I would not even keep up with it.
GO TIGERS!
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but the NIT as a competitive, championship type tournament - doesn't matter. Saying you won the NIT championship is like putting on your resume that you were first in the bottom half of your class. Nobody cares but you.
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I will clear this up for people who are intellectually challenged
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o·pin·ion
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noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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It is not an important tournament any more, but any time we play is important and I want to win. I will be pulling for us to win and hope we do so convincingly. Go Tigers!
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 5:06 PM
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The problem is you've presented those two viewpoints as if they're mutually exclusive. They aren't.
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The NIT is less relevant than
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A meaningless bowl game in football.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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The only goal at this point for Clemson in the NIT is not to embarrass ourselves. No repeat of Oakland.
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Ain;t nuttin going to change with CU BB until Bad Brad is FIRED and Judge Keller is banned from this site.... JK is beyond deporable, He owns the bucket of deporables....
WT
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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The Not In Tournament matters to you and simply because we are in it and not in NCAA tournament, Brad should be gone. Hope that clears up my thoughts.
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It matters as much as playing in the Gasparilla Bowl
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in football, which featured Wake Forest and Missouri last year, or maybe the Lending Tree Bowl which featured Rice and Southern Miss.
I'm sure to those schools, schools which have fairly low expectations, it was a nice reward and exciting opportunity to play in those bowls. Having low expectations, I don't think their fans care that much that they didn't make a more prestigious, higer-tier bowl.
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Dynasty Maker [3159]
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NIT is better than most think....
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Mar 15, 2023, 5:32 PM
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It is like going to a lower tier bowl game. Not ideal, but there is potential for it to help in developing younger talent, getting post-season experience and sending out seniors on a high note.
Caught the overtime of Rutgers/Hofstra the other night. It was excellent...both teams trading baskets, full house crowd into it. Pretty hard to say it doesn't matter when you see that sort of thing. And Rutgers had been a NCAA tourney team recently (as we are aware from when they beat us).
I like how the NIT has evolved and is intentional about taking regular season champs of conferences that lose in their conference tournament. Those teams are usually pretty solid teams.
Programs like Michigan, Villanova, Oregon, etc. don't seem to have a problem with playing in the NIT...even though they certainly have high expectations.
I still think we got the shaft from the NCAA committee...but I think the ACC really needs to examine some things, not just Clemson. There's more to it than just the NET ranking.
I'm conflicted about being where we are 13 years into the Brownell tenure...but I'm a Clemson fan first and foremost, and will be ready to pull for us whenever we take the floor.
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CU Medallion [18456]
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Re: NIT is better than most think....
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Mar 15, 2023, 5:48 PM
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I appreciate the sentiment but at some point enough is enough. Neff showing zero respect for the fanbase is going to cause some of us to the same. Again, he should have stick with protocol and not commented till after the season. It’s clear his personal relationship with Brownell is impeding his ability to do his job. There is no way to reconcile firing Monte Lee and retaining Brownell.
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Game Day Hero [4363]
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CU Guru [1501]
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Oops. Similar but even worse last night.***
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Mar 16, 2023, 11:41 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3159]
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Agree with waiting after the season…
Mar 15, 2023, 7:47 PM
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That would have been fine.
Not sure why he had to do that Monday.
But the rest is a little dramatic…perhaps he wouldn’t need to say anything Monday if certain fans would chill out a bit.
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Paw Master [16128]
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1st Rounder [610]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.***
Mar 15, 2023, 6:05 PM
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1st Rounder [610]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Matters 👍🏿🐅
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Tiger Spirit [9788]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 6:08 PM
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"..which is is?"
To quote my good friend Radio: "bofe"
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Paw Warrior [5056]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 6:09 PM
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The team matters. The practice matters. Playing games matter.
The nit does not matter.
It also matters so little that UNC declined.
Message was edited by: clemzn1981®
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110%er [6781]
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Oh We have a game tonight! Nice! I'll have to remember to
Mar 15, 2023, 6:22 PM
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check the score after I watch the new Mando Episode.
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Orange Beast [6535]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 6:22 PM
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Clemson winning in any sport at any time matters to me. I just hate that the best we can expect in men’s basketball is the not invited tournament. We should expect a top 25 competitive program in every sport.
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Ultimate Tiger [34080]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 7:07 PM
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Any game with Clemson playing is important. Go Tigers!
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Solid Orange [1394]
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Ummm… Mrs Brownell…
Mar 15, 2023, 7:15 PM
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You realize that different people have different opinions right? For some it means nothing and for others it means a lot. Get over it and just cheer for your little boy.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 7:21 PM
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There were people on this board saying the Orange Bowl was meaningless and they weren’t going to watch it. The same group will probably say the same about the NIT.
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Clemson Conqueror [11399]
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Certainly disappointing that we had to settle for the NIT...
Mar 15, 2023, 7:27 PM
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but...I certainly hope we can win it...we are capable!
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110%er [5330]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 7:31 PM
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The answer is whichever one lets them bash Clemson basketball and be completely miserable in that moment.
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CU Guru [1599]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 7:33 PM
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S t f u you piece of garbage
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Game Changer [1974]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 9:07 PM
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🤣🤣🤣I take it all back. Brownie is brilliant!!!! It takes a great intellect to continue to get AD’s to pay you when you suck this bad!!!!!!
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All-In [10688]
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Sure didn't seem to matter to the team tonight***
Mar 15, 2023, 9:12 PM
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1st Rounder [662]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 9:13 PM
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What do you think JK after watching this game? Maybe you are right, we should give more money to basketball for a buy out and a good coach
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Commissioner [1211]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 9:13 PM
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Every game matters, if you can’t coach/motivate a team to be successful in all situations then look for a new job!
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National Champion [7259]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 9:14 PM
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It should have mattered to Brad and the team and that was a sad performance.
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Orange Blooded [2190]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 15, 2023, 9:16 PM
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I decided that I wanted to win and watched that trash of a game. Now I’m working up my email to Neff
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Commissioner [1202]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 9:44 PM
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Thank god please do and include sincerely signed by thousands of pissed off clemson fans who are left disappointed in the same fashion every year
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110%er [3790]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 15, 2023, 9:39 PM
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#judgekeller how would you answer your own question?
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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If you accept the invite, you better win
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Mar 16, 2023, 6:39 AM
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Last night was the season in a nutshell
Loosing to the last seed
Superior talent and a complete lack of discipline and coaching
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Game Changer [1723]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 16, 2023, 6:52 AM
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I think the NIT is important. Hypothetically If we would have won the NIT that could have been a first in program history for this team. Could have been a banner in LJ.
We have only played in the NIT a handful of times. Its not like some tournament we are in all the time and we can yawn at its unimportance. Las vegas would have been fun for the team should they go to the semis.
Im just boggled by that game. That team was fairly small. I think we should have been able to win pretty easy. It seemed like the team got up early and just coasted. Maybe the NIT was not as important to the team as to the fans that showed?
I thought it was lame of UNC to bow out, but i guess if you dont plan to take it serious we might as well not accept the invite.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:13 AM
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I think the real question should be: "Is Brownell the right guy to coach Clemson basketball?"
And we got our answer last night.
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All-TigerNet [6057]
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Any game Clemson plays in is important
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:23 AM
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especially a game against a Q4 team following a show of support by the AD all the while crying we were left out of the NCAA tournament. Anything less than making it to Vegas to prove the naysayers wrong is just typical Brownell.
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Commissioner [1295]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 16, 2023, 8:58 AM
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Nope
In the world of basketball, not all games have the same importance relative to rankings, record, etc.
However, every game is important in its own right. Every game should be prepared for and approached to win. Whether BB wants to do this or not, it is evident that he has failed to succeed in this endeavor in anything other than a mediocre way.
Frankly, in that light, JK your posit is completely irrelevant and meaningless.
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Orange Beast [6535]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 16, 2023, 8:58 AM
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Looks like our players and coach decided it was not. Sigh. Predictable.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 16, 2023, 8:59 AM
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I'm not in the camp of "fire Brownell right now," but these aren't inconsistent viewpoints at all. The NIT is a pointless tournament, because the winner really only has an argument that they're around the 65th best team in the country. It's literally a consolation prize for those teams not good enough to make the real tournament. If best is the standard, it's a long way down from our typical standards. Hence UNC finding it better to sit at home than going to play in it.
That said, if you do choose to play in it, and lose to the worst team in it, it's a pretty big black eye, because those teams weren't very good. We came in as the #1 seed and got embarrassed by the worst team in it. Even if there aren't a lot of eyeballs on the NIT, it still reflects badly on us that we can't win in the also-ran tournament.
Let's compare it to football. We are a team that made the playoffs in six consecutive seasons with multiple titles. We expect to go to the playoffs and compete. The bowl games mean nothing, as they have no real world implications any more. But if we went to the Duluth Trading Cure Bowl and got beat by UTSA, we'd want heads to roll. Something can not matter and still be embarrassing when you fail at it.
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Associate AD [1019]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:02 AM
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I thought it would matter to this team. I thought they would use it as an “I told you so” to the NCAA committee and try to prove them wrong. Instead, they proved the committee was right.
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All-TigerNet [6022]
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The answer you're looking for lies here...
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:10 AM
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It's horrible to lose a 1st round game as a #1 seed to a #16 seed.
What a disgrace. Terrible coaching, and just another pathetic performance in a long line of pathetic performances under Brownell.
You could give Brownell a roster full of NBA All-stars and he'd figure a way to make them consistently beatable.
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CU Guru [1501]
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BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Mar 16, 2023, 9:26 AM
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Pathetic.
Season was a COMPLETE FAILURE.
Own it, Judge Mountaineers. Your husband should have been fired, and there's question of that today.
Show anyone saying both of the things you said there.
One of your weakest troll jobs of all time, and that's saying a lot. So many to choose from. Loser.
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CU Guru [1501]
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16%?? LMAO! Bout time.***
Mar 16, 2023, 9:27 AM
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CU Medallion [18456]
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Re: 16%?? LMAO! Bout time.***
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Mar 16, 2023, 9:30 AM
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Nice
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CU Guru [1501]
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I'm calling shenanigans here!
Mar 16, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Suddenly she's up to 100%.. she was at 85% before the 16%. What gives??
As far as this message board goes, it must be nice to be personal friends with Crump. Unlimited BS and never get told to stop let alone receive what should be a ban for constant trolling.
Things like this are what keep the vast majority of folks here from donating. Uneven moderation and a (still) broken pulse system.
I like Tigernet. I'm not a cheapskate, and would love to donate to help the mods, but they have got to get better control on some things. Like Ms. Keller's incessant but allowed trolling.
Off soap box...
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Game Day Hero [4544]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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Mar 16, 2023, 10:22 AM
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Guess the NIT doesn't matter
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TigerNet Elite [69914]
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The NIT should have mattered to the players.
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Mar 16, 2023, 10:36 AM
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Apparently, it didn't. Did it matter to Brad since Neff prematurely said he supported Brad? Apparently, Brad is tenured and it didn't particularly matter. Did it matter to the fans? Yes. Do they also know how bipolar the team plays? Yes. Are they embarrassed by the outcome? Some, yes; others, suspected this given the bipolar play of the team. Does a change need to occur whether it is players or coaching? Yes. Will the fans continue to support Brad? Most likely not.
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All-Pro [725]
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
Mar 16, 2023, 11:45 AM
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The latter Judge….the latter.
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Re: Some of you need to decide if the NIT matters or not.
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