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Mascot [23]
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Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 10:13 AM
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WILL TWO DEEP!***
Nov 18, 2021, 10:17 AM
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Re: WILL TWO DEEP!***
Nov 18, 2021, 10:59 AM
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I see what you did there!
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 10:22 AM
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raggin on a couple Tigers working their tails off to help the team and represent the university. people like you need to get a life
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Letterman [290]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Jan 11, 2022, 6:44 PM
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+1 Too much negativity on here. Same with Twitter. That has GOT to be having a negative effect on recruits. People need to be happy and thankful for the great years we've had. I know that I'm so thankful...
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 10:31 AM
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I agree 100%. Once in the system, everyone will either work their tail off, sit, or go elsewhere. Swinney placing his kids on the roster instead of someone with more talent is a disservice to the program. Nepotism has no place in a program as rich as Clemson football. You want to play your kids, go to Pop Warner.
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Paw Warrior [4601]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 10:43 AM
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It's typically later in the day before we get a post this stupid.
Congratulations.
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Mascot [23]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM
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It's called a realistic take on poor roster management.
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Paw Warrior [4601]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 11:12 AM
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Of course it is.
Got it.
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All-American [581]
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How has this "poor roster management" hurt our team?
Nov 18, 2021, 11:20 AM
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What are all the examples of poor roster management, and please correlate to how it's hurt our program?
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110%er [4022]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Jan 11, 2022, 3:51 PM
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11 straight 10-win seasons.
7 ACC Championships
6 consecutive CFP births
2 national championships
Not sure who you are a fan of (though I do detect the smell of chicken shyatt) but unless you’re a Bama fan your team has not done it better than Coach William Christopher Swinney has for the Clemson Tigers.
So, as a genuine and sane Clemson fan, I’m willing to let Coach Swinney manage our roster as he sees fit. I’ll sit back and watch the trophies keep rolling it.
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Game Changer [1836]
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That line of thought...
Jan 12, 2022, 11:05 AM
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"Indifference to the obvious", might have played a part in our program falling off the face of earth for much of last season, beginning with spring practice-
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Jan 11, 2022, 3:19 PM
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God forbid I think Dabo Swinney doesn't do everything perfectly. Take a long walk off a short pier, #######.
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Game Changer [1836]
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Re: “As rich as Clemson football”
Jan 12, 2022, 11:16 AM
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I do agree Dabo has earned the right to God forbid, not win a game for 5 seasons and not be dismissed; also he's at a minimum, quadrupled Danny's levels of success. Still there were and are obvious flaws in a
variety of roster management practices employed under CDS.
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All-American [581]
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So you think they're showing up in the 2-deep because of
Nov 18, 2021, 11:15 AM
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nepotism, or because that's currently who we got? What position does Will Brown's dad coach?
Who the more talented guys that Dabo is sitting just to place his son on the 2-deep?
And how has this "nepotism" hurt our program... since we've been one of the two best programs in the CFP era and all?
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Jan 12, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Have you ever heard of a scout team? These are players who rarely play except in extenuating circumstances like blowouts, dozens of injuries, COVID, or nuclear war. They are valuable to the team. Most are walk-ons. Some occasionallly get a scholarship if they can snap a ball at high speed, hold a ball for a field goal without dropping it or getting their hands kicked, catch a punt, or have a genome similar to Hunter Renfrow. If they happen to be related to a coach, I’m OK with that.
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Rival Killer [2939]
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Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 10:42 AM
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That Ladson, Ngata, Williams, Spector, and Ross have missed significant time this season (or missed the season altogether, or are done). That's a pretty good 5.
The Wills have moved into 2 deep, not because of nepotism, but because of attrition. Had most/all of those guys been healthy, we probably have a different season, and the no-namers would've only seen the field in mop-up roles, as in years past.
Give the "nepotism" charge a rest already. Will Swinney scored a pretty important touchdown last week. Is he uber-talented? His Dad would say "no". Has he contributed over his time at Clemson? Honest, objective people would say, "Absolutely."
Dabo would be the first one to tell you that he'd rather have Justyn, Frank, Joseph, Brannon and E.J. He's playing with the hand he's been dealt.
Stop b****ing, or go back to FGF.
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 10:46 AM
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Do you think it’s unreasonable to suggest that there are better receivers that we could have given offers to?
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 10:54 AM
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Do you honestly think there was some talented receiver out there our coaches were looking at during recruiting that Dabo decided we didn't need because he had his son?
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110%er [6166]
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Dabo’s son is on scholarship as a kick holder, not a WR.
Jan 11, 2022, 8:23 PM
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And he has more than earned his scholarship in that capacity.
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Mascot [23]
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Rival Killer [2939]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM
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I think it's reasonable to think that at least some of the 4-5 stars we've signed over the last three years would have stayed healthy. Those front line guys were wanted by everyone. Alabama would've loved to have had E.J. Williams.
Nobody expected for all those guys to get/stay hurt. No team in the country has 5-stars at number 8 or 9 in the WR room. Maybe Alabama, but nobody is Alabama. I think people are blinded to factors beyond Dabo's control because they're just mad/disappointed.
I'm deeply disappointed in this season too. I thought we could contend for another National Championship. Are there things within Dabo's control that he CAN change? Of course. And I have every reason to believe that he will in the off-season.
People want to over-simplify what is a complex problem. Time will tell if Dabo can pull out of this rocky year. My money is on him. He's earned it.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 11:03 AM
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Good point. To further your point, let's say we had 1-2 more 4 or 5 star receivers on the roster. What are the odds none of those guys would've hit the transfer portal due to their position on the depth chart before the season even started?
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Paw Master [16733]
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The story I heard was that the team voted to give him a
Jan 11, 2022, 6:05 PM
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scholarship. Dabo wasn’t going to do it. Is that not accurate?
Not that I care. I’ll take a couple of roster spots for coaches kids for this level of success. But then again, I’m not a whiny little child who thinks the world owes me something.
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110%er [6166]
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Unless you claim to have a crystal ball re: injuries then
Jan 11, 2022, 8:21 PM
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... YES, it’s unreasonable to think that more than 5-7 blue chip receivers are going to sign with Clemson knowing that 3-4 will sit on the bench.
But, most importantly, Will Swinney in no way has taken a scholarship from any more talented WR ...
Will has a scholarship as a HOLDER for extra points and field goals.
The fact he plays wide receiver is totally incidental and only became an issue because so many of our more talented guys got hurt.
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Mascot [23]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 10:54 AM
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That crappy hand you are referring to would not be as much of an issue if solid roster spots were not taken by an excessive amount of walk-ons.. If you would like Clemson to continue to be a top program in the nation, this has to stop. Yeah, Hunter Renfrow was surely a homerun as a walk-on.. That's not always the case however, replicating that success with another walk-on is very unlikely.
That 'important' touchdown you were referring to was a trick play against one of the worst teams in the FBS.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 10:55 AM
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Could you list all the roster spots we currently have taken up by walk-ons?
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Rival Killer [2939]
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Clemson2003
Nov 18, 2021, 10:59 AM
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Don't bother with actual facts and logic. Some people are just mad and seem intent on staying that way, no matter what.
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Mascot [23]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 11:00 AM
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I'm not going to give you a full walk-on report to change your perception on the issue. All you need to know is that a program who aspires to contend for national championships on a yearly basis has two walk-on WR's in a 2-deep rotation. One of which is the coach's son.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 11:07 AM
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Well, you say we have an excessive amount of roster spots being taken up by walk-ons. I wouldn't think it would be too hard to name off a bunch of them if we truly have that many.
I think you'd have to look at the roster of several teams and determine what they'd be left with at receiver if they had 4-5 receivers unavailable due to injuries before you can argue that point.
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 1:09 PM
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Could you list all the roster spots we currently have taken up by walk-ons?
Max May
Drew Swinney
Will Brown
Luke Price
Carson Donnelly
Do you SERIOUSLY think these are the 5 BEST players available for coveted Clemson scholarships in the WHOLE COUNTRY???
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All-American [581]
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The thing is, we weren't anticipating being without
Nov 18, 2021, 11:18 PM
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Justyn Ross
Joe Ngata
Frank Ladson
E.J. Williams
Brannon Spector
Will Taylor
Everyone on this list missed time or is done for the year. The guys you're talking about wouldn't be a factor if the guys above are all playing at 100%.
And every team awards scholarships to walk-ons when roster dynamics allow it.
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Orange Blooded [2276]
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Re: The thing is, we weren't anticipating being without
Nov 19, 2021, 7:01 AM
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Yeah, injuries suck. But I expect a staff that is paid as much as ours and makes claims of "best is the standard" to anticipate scenarios like this year. There were (and lkely are) 2 dozen three stars WR's with legit physical characteristics and abilites that FAR outstrip those of our current walk-ons. Yet here we are, putting a 5'8" WR in the 2-deep. Inexcusable actually.
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All-American [581]
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So should we have allocated more scholarships at WR or OL or
Nov 19, 2021, 3:03 PM
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where? Every position?
Teams don't have room to sign backup 3-star guys at every position, planning on injuries or other attrition. Walk-ons get scholarships after ones unexpectedly come open. It's not like we hold scholarships for walk-ons and skip over 3-star guys just for kicks and giggles. There are walk-on scholarship guys everywhere under similar circumstances.
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Ultimate Tiger [33788]
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it's simple.. this is Dabo. Coulda .. woulda.. iffa .. shoulda
Nov 18, 2021, 11:14 AM
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blah blah blah hindsight yadda yadda yadda .
This is Dabo, this is what you get. IF you wanted something different then you would have to get rid of Dabo and his 2 NC's.
YOU take the good, you take the bad.. you take them both and then you have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd6wEeKjbqg
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Nov 18, 2021, 12:49 PM
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Will Brown is our punt returner. You don't make someone your returner that you don't trust. I think he has earned his scholarship. Just a way of saying I agree. LOL.
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Re: Some folks on here seem to forget
Oct 25, 2020, 7:31 PM
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A lot of this nepotism is only in the eye of the beholder...
Nov 18, 2021, 11:14 AM
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Have you ever seen Will Swinney start? Did you see him score a TD?
Just sayin.. He’s been a back up his entire career. It’s not like he’s starting over anyone.
Go Tigers
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 11:53 AM
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AND PEOPLE WONDERING WHY THE O IS STRUGGLING. JUST GOT TO FACE THAT THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DEVASTING ON THE INJURY FRONT.
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 12:02 PM
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Neither has the speed to create separation at the P5 level. Just pray we will be able to run the ball vs. Wake.
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Paw Warrior [4853]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Nov 18, 2021, 12:19 PM
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but can they block?
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At least they'll give it their best effort.***
Nov 18, 2021, 11:20 PM
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Tell 'em u6c coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Nov 18, 2021, 12:57 PM
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1969.
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Orange Elite [5581]
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Some of y’all need to cut the sh*t
Nov 18, 2021, 1:49 PM
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and have a realistic perspective here…The 5’9 175 LB Swinney or Brown will be relied on heavily to lay a block on the perimeter vs one of the 6’2 235 lb LBs thy Wake has and it’s going to end miserably. Understood that they are there by necessity but this is an incredible time for Stellato to have gotten a look…
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Legend [6693]
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Re: Will Swinney/Will Brown in 2 Deep WR Rotation
Jan 11, 2022, 4:27 PM
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When is this happening?
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Ultimate Tiger [33264]
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This is a Nov 18th thread - 2021***
Jan 11, 2022, 4:36 PM
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