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YOUR BALANCE
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Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:21 PM

Clemson basketball has finished in the top half of the ACC standings just 21 times. Here’s the breakdown:

Banks McFadden 0
Press Maravich 0
Bobby Roberts 4
Tates Locke 2
Bill Foster 3
Cliff Ellis 2
Rick Barnes 2
Larry Shyatt 0
Oliver Purnell 3
Brad Brownell 5

Needless to say, finishing in the top half of the ACC at Clemson is an accomplishment.

If you prefer to look at ACC winning percentage, we have finished .500 or above in ACC play just 20 times over the last ~70 years:

Banks McFadden 0
Press Maravich 0
Bobby Roberts 3
Tates Locke 1
Bill Foster 2
Cliff Ellis 3
Rick Barnes 1
Larry Shyatt 0
Oliver Purnell 3
Brad Brownell 7

This is our basketball history at Clemson. Learn it and understand it. It’s important.

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You post too much.***


Dec 12, 2022, 9:22 PM



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It's her life. Sadly.***


Dec 13, 2022, 4:43 PM



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The ACC has only had 15 teams during Brownell’s tenure.


Dec 12, 2022, 9:22 PM

Learn your ACC history.

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No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the


Dec 12, 2022, 11:08 PM

ACC didn't officially go to 15 teams until July 1st 2013...Learn YOUR ACC history

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So 12 teams for 1-2 years under Brad?


Dec 13, 2022, 12:18 AM

When we brought in Miami and VT who have passed us?

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Re: No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the


Dec 13, 2022, 9:37 AM [ in reply to No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the ]

Who do you think was coach in 2013? I won't hold my breath for your apology.

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Re: No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the


Dec 13, 2022, 9:59 AM [ in reply to No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the ]



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Re: No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the


Dec 14, 2022, 4:18 AM [ in reply to No, it was still a 12 team league when Brad was hired, the ]

So 10 of his 12 years.

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Re: The ACC has only had 15 teams during Brownell’s tenure.


Dec 13, 2022, 12:02 PM [ in reply to The ACC has only had 15 teams during Brownell’s tenure. ]

Yes, it's much easier to finish in the top half of 15 as opposed to 7 or 8.

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LOL how did you arrive at that logic?***


Dec 13, 2022, 4:17 PM



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Lol! You wouldn't know "logic" if it crawled into a body orifice and bit you.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:53 PM

Do you maniacally giggle when you troll the board?

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I knew a guy who wouldn't choose single digit numbers


Dec 13, 2022, 4:54 PM [ in reply to LOL how did you arrive at that logic?*** ]

for his lottery ticket when picking numbers between 0-99, because "only 10% of the numbers were single digit"

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Literally LOLing!***


Dec 13, 2022, 4:57 PM



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It’s very simple Einstein


Dec 13, 2022, 8:22 PM [ in reply to LOL how did you arrive at that logic?*** ]

Let’s go back 25 years, and most likely Duke, UNC, Maryland, Wake Forest, and Virginia would be ranked. That’s five out of the nine teams in the top 25, let’s say Clemson was good but not a top 25 team, and if you finished sixth, You are not in the top half of the conference. Apply the same scenario to a 15 team league, and you would finish in the top half of the league. I tried to explain it in a way my fourth grader could understand.

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Re: It’s very simple Einstein


Dec 14, 2022, 4:22 AM

And Georgia Tech and Wake Forest were likely ranked as well. Tough conference. We may never see that again.

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Re: It’s very simple Einstein


Dec 14, 2022, 4:23 AM

You already mentioned Georgia Tech, but we can throw in NC State.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:25 PM

Can you list how many year each one coached?

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:36 PM

Brownell 12
Purnell 7
Shyatt 5
Barnes 4
Ellis 10
Foster 9
Locke 5
Roberts 8
Maravich 6
mcFadden 10

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:38 PM

As much as most of us dont like to admit, Brownell has a higher percentage of getting us over .500 in the league than any other coach since 1951. Facts.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 12:16 AM

.500+ Yay!

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 12:22 AM

So, if Dabo keeps up 7-5 (.500+ and bowling) he’s good? This is going trigger a LOT of tnetters.

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That would be 7-6 now. Interestingly...


Dec 13, 2022, 12:24 AM

Brown-L has finished with one more win than loss with us multiple years.

17-16! YAY!

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.500 in the HORRIBLE current ACC


Dec 13, 2022, 12:20 AM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

YAY! We are really making it somewhere!

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We built new facilities. We have admin support. We have hungry fans.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:41 PM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

We have a TON of untapped potential.

If Brad doesn't show he can reach it, then it's time to move on and hire someone who can take advantage of what we have today. This isn't 1951 anymore, and to accept the past as the future is giving up.

If we've given up, then yeah, let's keep Brad. He's going to have to give back that 38th highest paid salary though. He should be getting paid somewhere in the 70s considering his output and lack of building on a great opportunity.

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Dec 14, 2022, 12:01 AM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

During brads tenure the bulk of the ACC has sucked. It has been a too heavy conference unlike the old days when almost teams were real good

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Brad Brownell is a failure at Clemson. He’s just well


Dec 12, 2022, 9:27 PM

Not good.

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Bro, but "upper half", and


Dec 13, 2022, 4:45 PM

TWO top 40 finishes in 12 years. That's all we want, no?

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After 26 years maybe Brownell


Dec 12, 2022, 9:29 PM

will have Clemson in the top fourth of the conference!

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Magic 8 Ball sez…


Dec 12, 2022, 9:34 PM



But yeah, maybe.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:32 PM

A few follow up questions…

How long were each of these coaches here and how many games were played in a season back in 1953?

From a competition standpoint, what was the relative strength of the ACC back in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s?

From a recruiting standpoint, how much national exposure did Clemson have back in 1953 relative to today… should we expect to get better recruits as we’re a well known national brand now?

I know you won’t answer but It’s nice to think this could be a friendly dialogue where I learn something new

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:40 PM

actually, on the two metrics Judge Keller posted about here in this thread, Brownell is the most successful, not only in numbers but also in percentages. You cant argue that. You can argue strength of schedule and other issue all day long until your blue in the face, but results don't lie. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for you.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:45 PM

It’s a 15 team conference and Brad is the only coach to have that luxury. There is no comparison between the ACC now and then.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:51 PM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

If im looking clearly at percentages then yeah, I’m sure he picked stats that tilt in the favor of BB and his broader argument that BB has been successful

But I think any logical person can understand that stats can be skewed and don’t always tell the whole story… This is why I want the additional context

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 12:04 PM

Statistics are for losers and used by liars.

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JK skok warning!***


Dec 13, 2022, 12:20 AM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]



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You never know with that lady. She has more scoks


Dec 13, 2022, 4:56 PM

than bloodbeorange.

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He's the losingest coach in Clemson history.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:49 PM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

What about TWO top-40 finishes in 12 years get you most excited?

We can do better than that. Brownell is who he is.

Nevermind the fact the ACC used to be the premiere conference in college basketball, with the majority of the teams doing well. It was a different world with those other coaches, from investment and facilities, to rest of conference.

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It's much easier to win games in the ACC


Dec 12, 2022, 9:43 PM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

Now, than it's ever been. Playing 20 helps immensely. Stick around long enough, some records have to fall simply on volume.

It's laughable to see a basketball history lesson from the OP. I've been around Tiger hoops for 50+ years so am well-versed in the frustration. I'm also cognizant that Clemson didn't invest in the program. Letting Barnes walk only underscored that.

I like BB, but this constant 'praise' is over the top. If he succeeds in raising the bar, I'll be tickled orange. At present, it's a wobbly bar.

And...I don't fall for deflection arguments, which is really what the OP is doing.


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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 10:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

Good questions. Judge and baker above can point to the stats and make them look good. But where Judge fails are the intangibles. History really has nothing to do with the current program. Kids could careless what Bobby Roberts did. Bball, like football are completely different environments from even 2 decades ago. Especially Bball.

Even Judge realizes pre 15 expansion is comparing apples and oranges. It's a lot easier to finish .500 or top half of acc now than it was for Purnell. That's exactly why we can easily finish top half and not make a tournament, or maybe make the nit.

Even Judge knows that in the 80's Bball expansion to now 68 teams. So false arguments comparing coaches and the stats he's using. He's throwing everything that sticks to try and say Brad's successful without acknowledging it is easier than its ever been to use his metrics. Probably most any coach could have been on the sidelines and finish as good if not better.

As for his other posts about administration. Yeah, the administration understands Bball and what it takes or will take. Nothing to do with Brad. It was an independent study that drad and Neff did. Brad just happened to be the coach. Sure, they elicited his imput but not to the point Judge thinks or tries to say.

Out of said study, they realized certain factors needed to change and they were independent of any coach. But they realized although a new coach may be required, until said criteria was met you may as well have jo scmo coaching. Now, everything has been put in place. If Brad can achieve, fine, if not, that step will be enacted. This year was fish or cut bait no matter what. Nothing to do with Brad.

Don't believe me, ask Nikki Hailey.

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Great post, Gal. Unfortunately you know Ms Keller never responds


Dec 13, 2022, 5:12 PM

to relevant facts.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:41 PM

Huh

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That's fair and Brad's challenge has been


Dec 12, 2022, 9:46 PM

Consistency. He competes in the ACC but just loses games l

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How many ACC teams have the consistency you desire?


Dec 12, 2022, 9:57 PM

Even the powerhouses in the ACC have missed the NCAA Tournament at times over the last 4-5 years.

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Re: How many ACC teams have the consistency you desire?


Dec 12, 2022, 10:47 PM

11 have at least shown more consistent short term success at some point. Brownell's never made the tourney 2 years in a row. He's never even made the tourney 2 out of any 3 years. In 12 years time (probably about to be 13). Purnell made 3 in a row, Barnes made 3 in a row, and they only had 7 and 4 years to do it in. In Brownell's tenure, 10 of the other 14 teams have made at least 3 tourneys in a row. Pitt's made 2 in a row, and 3 out of 4. BC, WF, and GaTech are our company. And it's worth repeating, he's never even made 2 out of 3 at any point in his 12, about to be 13 years

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Can you list the top 40 finishes for those other teams?


Dec 13, 2022, 5:10 PM [ in reply to How many ACC teams have the consistency you desire? ]

You know, since we're upper half of the conference with TWO top 40 finishes in 12 years.

This is succeeding, Ma'am?

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:55 PM



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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 9:57 PM

The haters will hate. I have never lived close enough to go more than 2 or 3 games a year but I have been to games coached by all those coaches except Press and Banks. I love college basketball and understand it would be great to be a top ACC team but I just don't think we will be and I still love Tiger basketball anyway.

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That ought to get the fan base fired up for Brownell ball!


Dec 12, 2022, 10:15 PM

Chills!!!

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I almost want to go watch us lose to Loyola-Chicago now!!!


Dec 13, 2022, 12:23 AM

Woooo! Go Brad!

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 10:30 PM

Too bad we can’t reincarnate former Aiken resident Bobby Roberts…..

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 10:45 PM

After Roberts was canned, He worked for Converse. Had a brother in Pickens.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 12, 2022, 10:51 PM

So you're saying keep Brad????

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 12:12 AM

The truth of the matter is that we do not get the quality of players to consistently finish in the top half of the conference.

Players play, coaches coach.

Duke is routinely a top ACC program, and while they have had historically superior coaching compared to Clemson, they also have had 3-4 new starting true freshman players/year since Kyrie Irving's freshman year. You cannot tell me that with a new team like this that PLAYERS do not make most of the difference in a sport like basketball.

Now, if Brownell is TRULY the reason that we are not getting consistently a 4 star + two 3 stars per recruiting cycle, then after 13 years of Brownell, we need fresh blood. To expect multiple 4 stars and a 3 star or even the occasional 5 star is just not consistent with 100+ years of Clemson basketball. I'm not saying we can't get there, and the right coach could make the difference by offering a new on-court product, but I can't blame Brownell for not bucking a 100+ year trend.

I do still wish he could've landed our top SC 5 star talent (Zion, Charleston kid a few cycles back)

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How many years was OP here versus Brad?!


Dec 13, 2022, 12:17 AM

You are an idiot. We will not settle for Brad sh!tty coaching just because we've always been bad.

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He's also coached the longest.


Dec 13, 2022, 7:03 AM

I guess when you're here the longest, stats can look good.

GO TIGERS KICK DAT HOUND!

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 7:12 AM

This is twisting the numbers in favor of what you want to see. Until the last 20 years, it was much harder to finish in the top of the ACC when there were only nine teams. Also back then, the ACC was much stronger. But your numbers are pointing to the fact, that even in a watered down league, Brownell has finished in the lower half of the ACC more than he’s finished in the upper half. That’s pathetic

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 7:14 AM

How many ACC teams that finished in the top half of the ACC before expansion missed the NCAA tournament? I’m going to guess that ACC teams that finished with a winning conference record back when there were 9 teams very rarely missed the NCAA tournament, at least not once the tournament expanded to 64 teams.

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Simply put, there are a lot more deserving teams now.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:31 PM

In the 80s and 90s there were fewer automatic bids and fewer quality mid-majors than there are today.

There is a reason why high major teams made it into the NCAA Tournament then with losing conference records sometimes, and it wasn’t simply because conferences were tougher. It was because there weren’t as many potential NCAA Tournament teams from which to choose.

We’ve even seen this trickle down to the NIT. In the 80s and 90s, a winning record is all that was needed to get into the NIT. Now, that isn’t nearly good enough for the NIT in most cases.

So while it’s obviously hard to compare different eras, it’s incorrect to portray things now as easier. Yes, the ACC was smaller then and when 5-6 of the 8 teams were powerhouses it made for a tougher league overall, but the current 15 team ACC typically has more really good teams than the 8 team league did. Even if one wants to argue that it’s easier to win ACC games now, making a postseason tournament is arguably harder since there are more automatic bids and more high quality teams.

Basically, people who don’t like Brownell and are sick of him, or who don’t care about Clemson basketball and find it a waste of football money, are going to assume the worst and not care about Brad’s ACC performance in light of Clemson’s history. I don’t expect to change their minds, but I do hope they will at least look at how things now compare to prior Clemson teams and eras.

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Judge, I'm afraid your horse is dead. Flogging him will not


Dec 13, 2022, 7:37 AM

make him go any farther at this point. (Or, I should say, flogging others for his benefit.)

:(

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 7:40 AM

Are you comparing this ACC to the round robin gauntlets that Foster, Ellis, and Barnes played?

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Yep, she is. Apparently she's happy finishing in top 40 TWICE


Dec 13, 2022, 5:18 PM

in 12 years.

I mean, I'm good with losing to Oakland at home in the NIT? You're not?! Bro, do you even get basketball history? We should be ecstatic with finishing in the upper half kf the league and being ranked in the 70's and watching the tournament from home.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 9:22 AM

Does mediocrity rule tiger basketball?

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Just because we haven't, doesn't mean we can't...


Dec 13, 2022, 9:25 AM

There is absolutely no justifiable reason Clemson can't be great in both football and basketball.

There was a time when the ACC was hands down the premier basketball conference in the country. That's no longer the case. Other non-traditional power teams and leagues have improved significantly, so why not Clemson?

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 9:27 AM

That tells me we need a greater commitment to success with Clemson basketball. While Brownell has done it the most, he's also been here the longest (I think - close to it, anyway) and therefore a smaller percentage of the time.

I don't know about you all, but I'm not content for ANY Clemson team to be just in the upper 50% of the league. We should be in the upper 25% if not 10% of the league. There's no excuse given our resources and name recognition that we have now. The only excuse is that we're content with average. I'm not.

I can't get excited about waving the banner of "Yay, we've been above average 5 times in the last 12 years!" That doesn't do anything for me.

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So you’re also disappointed that Clemson funds basketball poorly?


Dec 13, 2022, 4:33 PM

If we want it to be better, we need to commit more resources to it.

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Bullcrap. We have great facilities, great investment, hungry fans, and talent better than the


Dec 13, 2022, 5:41 PM

dozens of programs who have more than TWO top-40 finishes in the last 12 years.

More money won't solve this coaching issue. You're FOS.

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Brad has yet to make B2B NCAAT appearances


Dec 13, 2022, 9:31 AM

despite seeing increased basketball spend during his tenure…

Both Barnes and Purnell went to 3 straight. Heck even Cliff Ellis went B2B and 3 out of 4.

Barnes did it in 4 seasons, OP in 7, and here we are headed into year 13 with Brad.

Clemson winning %'s and NCAAT appearances below:

Brad Brownell(2011-present) - 56.8% (3 NCAAT)
Oliver Purnell(2004-2010) - 61.1% (3 NCAAT in a row)
Larry Shyatt(1999-2003) - 45.5% (0 NCAAT)
Rick Barnes(1995-1998) - 60.7% (3 NCAAT in a row)
Cliff Ellis(1984-1994) - 58.1% (3 NCAAT in 4 years)

This is our "recent" basketball history at Clemson. Learn it and understand it. It’s important.

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When i read your posts i can't help but wonder


Dec 13, 2022, 9:53 AM

if you're going to disappear next year when Brad finally gets canned and no longer has need of your services. Maybe you will follow him to North Greenville's message board and stan for him there?

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She'll still be trolling Tigernet from her home at whatever mid-major (maybe)


Dec 13, 2022, 5:42 PM

that her husband ends up at.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 9:53 AM

If this is great, I'm sorry to say that Clemson has a defeatist attitude when it comes to basketball.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 9:57 AM

I have no doubt that you must be a coot. This information is obviously truth, but it’s pretty much telling people to stop caring at all regardless of coach. Teams can become very good out of nowhere. Look at Alabama basketball for the past few years. No history there.

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No, we shouldn’t lower our standards at all.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:40 PM

I’d like to see us raise them.

But I also believe our current situation should be viewed in context of our overall history. Doing so not only allows for a better perspective, but also provides insight into what we need to do in order to get better.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 10:21 AM

Your charts do not mean much unless you put number of years coached for each one.


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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 10:27 AM

In no way is your history charts apples to apples comparing coaches. Understand it. Learn it.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 10:54 AM

The ACC used to be a good conference where every team was good.

It's been watered down with expansion.

Finishing in the top half is not a big deal now where it used to require being in the top 25.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 11:14 AM

Well to put this in perspective we need to figure out the longevity of these coaches and consider the strength of the conference.

Todays ACC vs 10-15 years ago seems to be apples and oranges.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 11:18 AM

And I would take Barnes again in a heartbeat. Basketball was fun in those days.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 12:09 PM

At one time, Barnes had Clemson ranked No.2 in the country. Nobody was complaining about the bad facilities then.

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The facilities arms race wasn’t a thing then like it is now.***


Dec 13, 2022, 4:43 PM



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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Interesting, because Barnes’s style was much more boring


Dec 13, 2022, 4:42 PM [ in reply to Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953 ]

than the style we play today.

Slower and more methodical for sure.

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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


LOL! Slab Five says you're an idiot.


Dec 13, 2022, 5:44 PM

Fans came out I'm droves... because we loved the gritty style and winning games.

Another swing and a miss, troll.

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Tell me you never watched a Barnes Clemson team


Dec 13, 2022, 11:51 PM [ in reply to Interesting, because Barnes’s style was much more boring ]

without telling me you never watched a Barnes Clemson team.

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hey psychopath


Dec 13, 2022, 11:50 AM

get off the d@m board and and go to a therapist. i’m sirius. no normal person posts 24/7. you’re like the South Park episode where the kid had one friend on social media and it dominated his life. thing is, on the show, he is 9. are you 9?

jesus man, do you do this on all social media platforms? trolling is one thing -
mental illness is far different

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I for one am glad you are stopping. You are one of the most ignorant posters ever. You obviously think very highly of your own opinion, unlike the rest of us - RockHillTiger


Re: hey psychopath


Dec 13, 2022, 12:15 PM

This post would never have been made without the horrible Loss to Loyola. (The OP might have drafted it earlier but saved it until we took the bad loss we all knew was coming eventually. )

In short, our basketball team Clemsoned against LUC.

For being a mature team, we don't handle Away or Neutral environments well at all. Other teams shoot lights-out against us when we're away from Littlejohn. Doesn't bode well for the conference schedule.

So I guess I'm gonna hope Tommy Bowden was right: 'you're never as good as your best win, nor as bad as your worst loss.' We can only hope there's some good wins coming.

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This post wasn’t made because we lost to Loyola.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:48 PM

It was made because some people here lost their ever loving minds when we lost to Loyola, as if we became a bad team overnight and our season was ruined.

These people lost perspective, and started unfairly piling on our program.

If I didn’t know better, I would think that they saved their posts for the first big loss we had this season. Many of those people didn’t post after we beat Penn State or Wake Forest.

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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Yeah, we're piling on TWO top-40 finishes in 12 years,


Dec 13, 2022, 5:46 PM

meanwhile your husband is stealing the 38th largest salary in America.

You're a comical little troll, Ma'am.

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Seriously? You're questioning folks


Dec 14, 2022, 8:04 AM [ in reply to This post wasn’t made because we lost to Loyola. ]

Perspective of the program...and 'losing their ever-loving minds'? Do you have a mirror?

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Re: hey psychopath


Dec 14, 2022, 10:15 AM [ in reply to Re: hey psychopath ]

Substitute "Clemsoned" with "Brownelled" and you're onto something.

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Brownell is the losingest coach in Clemson history.


Dec 13, 2022, 4:37 PM

We've made the tournament 3x, and one of those was a play-in game for the real tournament.

Brad has TWO tournament wins in 12 years. TWO.

Brad Brownell has finished in thr top 40 twice in 12 years. TWICE.

Under Brad Brownell we've averaged being ranked in the 70s.

Is this your idea of a good coach and one a program with talent, resources, facilities, and hungry fans should accept with open arms?

You simply cannot be this dense. Your troll game is weak.

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 5:35 PM

I remember 2008 when we were runner up acc champs. It was so fun buying tickets for the finals game from the disappointed dook fans. Why cant we do it again?

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Bro, the band. Obviously it's the band.***


Dec 13, 2022, 5:51 PM



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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 13, 2022, 11:04 PM

McFadden: 0


In fairness to McFadden he actually won a conference championship before the ACC.
https://clemsontigers.com/75-years-ago-today-clemson-won-southern-conference-basketball-tournament/



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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 14, 2022, 6:34 AM

Holy Shyatt . You continue to try and build Brownell up and the only ones buying it are your fake profiles and you . Instantly you go back to salary and more money . You are one of 4 things . You need to admit to one :
1. His wife
2. His agent
3. Brother/sister/cousin
4. Lover

Choose one of them for conversation sake and then your points will me more valid and personal

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Re: Since joining the ACC in 1953


Dec 14, 2022, 11:28 AM

Cliff Ellis and OP teams would dominate Brads teams.

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