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Starter [275]
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Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 11:29 AM
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Or save him for game 2? I’m not sure which one I would perfer. If you pitch him Friday then you prob will save your bullpen for the rest of the weekend but then you wouldn’t have him for what should be a tougher opponent for game 2 should we win game 1. What do you guys think?
Ps reposting this cause I accidentally posted this on the football bored
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Tiger Titan [48501]
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Here we go again.......
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May 28, 2025, 11:36 AM
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You don't "save" players this time of year during this tournament. Roll 'em out there early and often.
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110%er [3783]
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Re: Here we go again.......
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May 28, 2025, 2:28 PM
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Choosing when to use Knaak isn't saving him. He'll pitch no less by playing in either game 1 or 2.
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Valley Protector [1475]
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Commissioner [1266]
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Re: Here we go again.......
May 29, 2025, 9:02 AM
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You don't "save" players this time of year during this tournament. Roll 'em out there early and often.
amen. Drew and others capable of beating upstate but they can swing it. Much easier to get out of a loser bracket on Saturday and Sunday. Must start 1-0 and can’t tax your own early! Was told by my friend and former player that they are leaning knaak but also it’s been back and forth. Yes did we blank them in a mid week. But it’s also postseason and much different team for us and them from early March. Gotta control the first one before you look ahead.
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Dynasty Maker [3347]
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every team in the tourney has a very good #1 pitcher...
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May 28, 2025, 11:40 AM
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which we will see from USC Upstate. If our hitting was better, I would be more comfortable sitting Knaak. But we obviously struggle against good pitching, so I would start him.
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Commissioner [1266]
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Re: every team in the tourney has a very good #1 pitcher...
May 29, 2025, 9:03 AM
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Seen it too many times teams saving guys. Many times it doesn’t work out.
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Paw Master [16460]
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Losing game 2 is no different than losing game 1. They're must wins.
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May 28, 2025, 11:40 AM
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I don't really understand the logic of pitching Knaak on Friday against Upstate. I would for sure pitch him Saturday.
If Clemson loses Saturday, it would be a really tall task to win 3 in a row.
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All-Conference [419]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 11:46 AM
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Typically as the regional host, you save your best pitcher for game 2. You theoretically have a large advantage (better more talented team, home field, though I know upstate is good)
Thus you are now pitching your ace either in the winners bracket to advance to the championship, or to stay alive
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Clemson Conqueror [11257]
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Correct.***
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May 28, 2025, 1:31 PM
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All-In [10961]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 11:47 AM
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Game 2 for Knaak.
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TigerNet Elite [70301]
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Knaak is used to pitching on Friday. It has been the rotation all
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May 28, 2025, 11:50 AM
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season long. The belief is that it is the pitcher mentality. If it changes, it can have an affect their pitching mentally.
As much as I would prefer Knaak not pitching on Friday, I am hoping Titsworth can continue his Saturday mentality. Recent experience has shown that after our first two starters, we can struggle.
The main thing that has to really show up is our offense.
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Game Day Hero [4597]
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Re: Knaak is used to pitching on Friday. It has been the rotation all
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May 28, 2025, 12:57 PM
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Lol stop...he pitched last Wednesday and did great.
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Orange Beast [6535]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 11:59 AM
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Give me TP Wentworth on the mound and tell him there's a runner trying to advance on a ground ball to right......
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 12:54 PM
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I think you treat this like a 4-game weekend and go with the weakest pitcher against the weakest team, which is Upstate in this case. Then, even if you drop a game, you still have your top 3 pitchers ready to go for the last three games you might play. Also too, if you win 3 straight and take the weekend, you have a primary starter ready for the first game of the super-regional.
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Game Day Hero [4597]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 1:00 PM
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Lmao ugh no....we haven't been hitting the best. You'd be playing with fire, Upstate can hit, and they are using a bona-fided weekend starter. Tittsworth or Knaak are the only choices.
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Starter [275]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 4:30 PM
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I would also add that if we were to lose game 1 or game 2 then we would have to play a total of 5 games not 4. So we would need 4 quality starters if we lost game 1. I say we have 2 good starters in Knaak and Titsworth. And Bell is the best we got as a third starter. After that we are screwed. I know wining the first 2 game in the regionals for any team is ideal but for us I think it is a must. I don’t like our chances in the losers bracket. So choosing who pitches the first game is a very important decision that could define our postseason.
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 10:50 PM
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I think you treat this like a 4-game weekend and go with the weakest pitcher against the weakest team, which is Upstate in this case. Then, even if you drop a game, you still have your top 3 pitchers ready to go for the last three games you might play. Also too, if you win 3 straight and take the weekend, you have a primary starter ready for the first game of the super-regional.
The Tigers don’t have 3 starters they can trust. They have two but with Drew good for about 4.1 innings. There is no going to a 4th game unless a miraculous amount of offense suddenly arrives. You lose Friday night then you play Saturday at noon. That’s not a good scenario. Win Friday and you rest until Saturday night and try again with hopefully enough from Drew and the hitters to save some bullpen for Sunday.
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Commissioner [1266]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 29, 2025, 9:04 AM
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I think you treat this like a 4-game weekend and go with the weakest pitcher against the weakest team, which is Upstate in this case. Then, even if you drop a game, you still have your top 3 pitchers ready to go for the last three games you might play. Also too, if you win 3 straight and take the weekend, you have a primary starter ready for the first game of the super-regional.
Upstate is not weak the offense ranks high in many categories in NCAA
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 1:26 PM
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We shut them out with lefty pitchers. I still think we start ####, but wouldn't be opposed to going with the Bailey/McGovern Combo again or even Bell.
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All-TigerNet [5697]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 1:27 PM
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Titsworth* Apparently it didn't like my abbreviation
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MVP [502]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 1:44 PM
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Since USC Upstate is the best hitting team in this regional, they should go Knaak on Friday. WVU is more balanced with Kentucky leaning more on pitching to win the day. So I think they gotta go with how its been. What they cannot afford is to lose on Friday. Period. Losing at any point in the bracket will SEVERELY reduce chances of getting out. Due to injuries, depth is very short and Darden may have to start if his arm is considered strong enough. They currently don't possess the pitching for 5 games and having to win 4 straight in three days.
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Clemson Conqueror [11257]
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How is Upstate the best hitting team?***
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May 28, 2025, 1:47 PM
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MVP [502]
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Re: How is Upstate the best hitting team?***
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May 28, 2025, 1:55 PM
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Check out their stats. Yes they play in the Big South, but mid major teams do possess talent too. They are also pretty familiar with Clemson.
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Clemson Conqueror [11257]
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Re: How is Upstate the best hitting team?***
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May 28, 2025, 1:58 PM
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Clemson shut them out.
And Knaack did not pitch.
Also- how do you think Clemson would do in the big south?
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MVP [502]
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Re: How is Upstate the best hitting team?***
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May 28, 2025, 2:06 PM
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No matter, we'll find out in two days.
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Clemson Conqueror [11257]
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Re: How is Upstate the best hitting team?***
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May 28, 2025, 2:08 PM
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We sure will.
And hopefully see our Ace pitch on Saturday.
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 1:59 PM
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Who cares, they're still a midweek team and we beat them 7-0 already. If you have to burn Knaak on USC Upstate then we shouldn't even be hosting a Regional. ####, Bell, Bailey, or even McGovern should all be able to handle this start. You go with the best bet for game 2 and thats saving your ace with the hopes of WV and KY burning their ace against each other.
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Starter [275]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 5:20 PM
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Yea I’m leaning towards Knaak pitching game 2 as well. I would hate waisting him on a mid major program. Tho I don’t think we should over look upstate but I think you either pitch Titsworth or Bell for the first game here.
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Commissioner [1266]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 29, 2025, 9:07 AM
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Who cares, they're still a midweek team and we beat them 7-0 already. If you have to burn Knaak on USC Upstate then we shouldn't even be hosting a Regional. ####, Bell, Bailey, or even McGovern should all be able to handle this start. You go with the best bet for game 2 and thats saving your ace with the hopes of WV and KY burning their ace against each other.
Team we beat in March! Long ago and both teams are different
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 2:52 PM
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LOL WE BEAT THEM 7-0 MIDWEEK WITH OUR MIDWEEK PITCHERS. SOME OF THE SH!T YOU READ ON HERE IS MIND BOGGLING.
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MVP [502]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 3:04 PM
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What's mind boggling is that you don't seem to understand that this is a FORUM for DISCUSSION. Everyone thought ORU was just a 4 seed 2 years ago as well. Made it to Omaha. I wouldn't discount USC Upstate either. Most 4 seeds yes. Not one that can hit.
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 3:14 PM
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Did they hit Bailey and McGovern during the midweek game that we won 7-0? It's baseball, anyone can be beat at any given time, but logically you don't throw your #1 against the 4 seed with the 2/3 waiting. If we can't beat USC Upstate with anyone other than Knaak then we deserve to stay home anyway. 95% chance Knaak will not start vs USC Upstate
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 3:23 PM
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We'll agree to disagree. But you may have made the case as to why Knaak could start. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day. Throw your best. Sometimes the Ace should play 2/3. Matchup dependent.
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 4:19 PM
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No I made a case for myself, what if you Start Knaak and we lose because we don't score. I'd rather win without my Ace and still have him or lose and still have my ace. It's always going to make more sense to save your ace for the 2/3 seed match up regardless of your case against it
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 28, 2025, 3:30 PM
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THE ONE THAT SCORED 000000000000000000000000000000000 RUNS AGAINST OUR MIDWEEK PITCHING.
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Clemson Conqueror [11257]
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May 28, 2025, 6:26 PM
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Butt they hit really good against big south pitchers.
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Starter [275]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 28, 2025, 5:38 PM
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Yea I just made this post cause I was wondering what everyone’s opinions were for who to pitch Friday night. You can disagree with someone but still keep it civil. I’m leaning towards wanting to start Knaak Saturday but I also get the other sides point of view. You don’t need to make fun of someone who has a different point of view from you.
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 29, 2025, 9:08 AM
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LOL WE BEAT THEM 7-0 MIDWEEK WITH OUR MIDWEEK PITCHERS. SOME OF THE SH!T YOU READ ON HERE IS MIND BOGGLING.
Also that was March! Gotta start 1-0 and save your pen
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Clemson Icon [24235]
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Does it make a difference in him being able to pitch once vs twice?
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May 28, 2025, 3:12 PM
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Or even if he pitches Saturday he would recover by a hypothetical final game?
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MVP [502]
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Re: Does it make a difference in him being able to pitch once vs twice?
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May 28, 2025, 3:17 PM
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You could have a point. But then why not Friday, then Monday if needed in desperation. I'm sure coach would try to avoid as much as possible.
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Re: Does it make a difference in him being able to pitch once vs twice?
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May 28, 2025, 3:17 PM
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The games are to close together for any starter to throw more than once unless they only throw a few innings or less than 60 pitches or so. But every team is in the same boat, more so for the 2 and 3 seeds who will more than likely be force to use their #1s first against each other. It's all strategy based on your seeding, but my best bet for a 1 seed is save your ace for game 2 to match up with the 2/3 seeds #2 guy. You win the first 2 regardless you're in the driver seat.
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Clemson Icon [24235]
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I would think in a season saving situation your ace could pitch a lot on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 3:26 PM
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and then be ready for Monday. But not Saturday and Monday.
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 28, 2025, 3:22 PM
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Walt Deptula on Wccp fm said you have too. If don't win that first game it looks bad...
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 4:24 PM
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It's almost like people forgot we shut them out with midweek pitchers, it also looks bad having to burn your ace against them. Like I said before, if we can't beat USC Upstate with anyone else other than Knaak, then we ain't going very far anyway lol
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Starter [275]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 5:57 PM
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Yea I would feel sick to my stomach if we play Knaak Friday and we blow them out. Like yay we win but we could have still won with Titsworth, Bell or even the Bailey/McGovern duo. I just really don’t want to waist our ace.
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CU Guru [1527]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 28, 2025, 5:21 PM
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Should have pitched him Sunday.
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 10:43 PM
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USC Upstate this Friday is not mid-week bullpen day Upstate. We only saw Phillips for two innings that day from what I recall and he struck out two. Ben Milstead put it best in my mind. The Tigers are heading into this regional needing to win 3 in a row. That’s a weekend series. Who starts on Friday of a weekend series you need to sweep? Knaak. He goes against their best starter. Then you hope to get the bats going against lessor pitching Sat night and Sunday night.
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All-TigerNet [5697]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 29, 2025, 2:16 PM
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LOL whomp whomp
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 10:55 PM
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SC Upstate is a guarantee win piece of cake easy peasy
Save him for West Virginia
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Game Changer [1778]
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
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May 28, 2025, 11:07 PM
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I think you throw Titsworth on Friday and come back with Knaak on Saturday. Would be great if Darden were ready to go and could give us a solid 4+ on Sunday
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Re: Should we play Knaak on Friday
May 29, 2025, 2:22 PM
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No
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