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Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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May 16, 2023, 7:57 AM
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Those two issues are definitely intertwined. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think they are the same.
Theoretically, if the ACC could convince ESPN to renegotiate the TV deal, then the question would be moot.
Theoretically, the ACC could vote to abolish the GOR but keep the conference intact. However, seems obvious that if they did that, then numerous teams (FSU, Clemson and the rest of the Magnificent Seven) would leave the ACC and join another conference. But, theoretically, the ACC would still exist as a conference.
On the other hand, there could be a vote to dissolve the conference. If that passed (and, apparently, it takes only 8 votes to do this) then the conference no longer exists, so that would mean there would be no one to pay the GOR money to.
We're debating semantics here. But, it is my understanding that the vote - when it comes - will be to dissolve the conference. I think "unequal revenue sharing" is just a political tool being used to justify the vote to dissolve the conference. "If you don't give us more money, we have no choice. We will have to vote to dissolve the conference."
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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May 16, 2023, 8:02 AM
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Sounds plausible.
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Not necessarily...
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May 16, 2023, 8:06 AM
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While ending the GOR is paramount, simply convincing ESPN to renegotiate the TV deal would not necessarily return the ACC to the Eutopia that we have all come to know and love, unless the revenue from the newly renegotiated TV deal is on par with what the networks are paying the $EC and the B1G, and that's just not likely to happen. Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be), it seems we have reached a point where it's time to either fish or cut bait (as it were). Cutting bait looks like the better option provided the schools who vote to leave the ACC all have a new conference to call home. Otherwise, it's all moot.
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Re: Not necessarily...
May 16, 2023, 8:30 AM
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I agree. With GOR and the current contract, Disney is not going to renegotiate or agree to pay the ACC schools $80 - $100 Million per year per school by any year much less increasing increments to that amount by 2030. Financially, Disney is not in the best position and even if the conference is dissolved, there will be a court battle.
On the other hand, if the ACC and GOR goes away, what if Disney just says "the ####" with the ACC, pull the plug ESPN. I guess some of the current ACC schools may be regretting spending the ACC payouts on everything except improving the cash cow, football.
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There will definitely be lawsuits...
May 16, 2023, 9:19 AM
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I will be shocked if the ACC isn't the first party to fire that volley. This is all about self-preservation for them, and I would expect them to sue any conference for tortious interference and/or collusion, that invites an former ACC member to join.
The other leagues will argue that they didn't reach-out to any ACC teams. Those teams contacted the $EC/B1G only after they voted to abandon the ACC's sinking ship.
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Re: There will definitely be lawsuits...
May 19, 2023, 7:45 AM
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There’s no law against one conference trying to get a school from another conference to join, and while the ACC may not like it, anger is not a basis for a lawsuit.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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May 16, 2023, 8:08 AM
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You would think ESPN would want the league to dissolve. They get out of the TV deal with the ACC and the ACCN would go away.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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May 16, 2023, 8:31 AM
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Yes. They can convert the ACCN to SECN2 and make more money.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
May 16, 2023, 3:37 PM
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The individual schools all had to provide their own on-site production facilities anyway for the ACCN to work. ESPN doesn't have as much wrapped up in this cost-wise to be an inhibitor. On the flip side, we and others are already well-positioned to participate in an alternative considering the media investments we've already undertaken.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
May 19, 2023, 12:17 AM
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ACCN going away wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit, there's hardly ever any Clemson games on anything but ACCN+, and on ESECPN+, so the ACCN going away is fine with me...
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I'll tell you, Bret, had I and a whole lot of us older
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May 16, 2023, 8:10 AM
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Tigers had had our way back in the early 80's, we would have been out of the ACC for nearly 40 years.
The GOR business was unmitigated hogwash in the first place, a move Clemson should have rejected and left the frigging conference, when it was enacted.
The conference needs to be dissolved immediately, because, mark my words, we are only a short time away from two mammoth super-conferences: 20-member SEC and B1G. We need out of the ACC and lobby like helllll to get into the SEC. So does FCU, at the very least.
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Well then, when CU grovels its way into the SEC...
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May 16, 2023, 8:24 AM
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do the Tigers sell off its boys[cute shorts] varsity soccer team for a huge amount of TNet coin, beg admittance to the Sunbelt, perhaps the CUSA or hope there's a place at the table with any remaining ACC teams that Clemson just effed over?
Just one of the issues, there are most likely others.
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So you want to relegate football to second tier to keep soccer happy?
May 19, 2023, 3:11 PM
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Please tell me this is satire.
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The only one relegating football to 2nd tier was you.***
May 19, 2023, 3:32 PM
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Re: I'll tell you, Bret, had I and a whole lot of us older
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May 19, 2023, 12:21 AM
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Tigers had had our way back in the early 80's, we would have been out of the ACC for nearly 40 years.
The GOR business was unmitigated hogwash in the first place, a move Clemson should have rejected and left the frigging conference, when it was enacted.
The conference needs to be dissolved immediately, because, mark my words, we are only a short time away from two mammoth super-conferences: 20-member SEC and B1G. We need out of the ACC and lobby like helllll to get into the SEC. So does FCU, at the very least.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen people play one on tv. The
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May 16, 2023, 8:19 AM
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GOR is a BINDING contract entered into by two parties, ESPN and the ACC. The schools cannot just vote to do away with an existing contract, ESPN would certainly sue for breach of same. At least, that is my impression. And it must be close to the truth, if all the high powered lawyers have looked at it all this time, and figured out that the only way out is to have more than half the teams leave the ACC. Right now, it sounds like we are one short of that number.
Butt, if two teams not in the current seven decided to pull a Texas / Oklahoma, and jump to another league, then seven is suddenly a majority. I believe all bets would be off then.
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Re: I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen people play one on tv. The
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May 16, 2023, 8:30 AM
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Actually no. The GOR is not between the ACC and ESPN. It's between the ACC and the member schools. The only way ESPN comes into it is that ESPN wouldn't agree to a conference network with the ACC unless there were assurances that no teams would leave the ACC (i.e. the GOR).
However, where you are correct is the GOR is a contract that can't jus be broken willy nilly.
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Re: Schools aren't voting to do away with an existing contract
May 19, 2023, 12:26 AM
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Plop plop fizz fizz oh what a relief it could be if there was no more ACC!!!!
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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May 16, 2023, 9:11 AM
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The only true question is, if you look at the 3 major sports the networks care about, football and men's and women's basketball, is the ACC a more attractive conference today than it was, let's say 3 years ago? The answer is a hard no.
Years ago, and certainly from the moment the SEC announced Texas and Oklahoma were joining, the ACC should have tried 24/7 to get new members that brought both power in the 3 sports and power in tv market share.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
May 16, 2023, 9:24 AM
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There is only one power sport, not three. The money from football dwarfs basketball.
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May 17, 2023, 9:24 AM
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Yes and no. NCAA Tournament money is huge, which is why Virginia was near (or at?) the top of the ACC money list a couple of years ago. Doesn't do much for Clemson, though.
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You believe women’s hoops is a factor in the appeal of ACC ?
May 19, 2023, 2:08 PM
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I don’t believe the networks care about any sports but football and men’s basketball.
The ACC Network programming choices would certainly lead you to believe that field hockey, gymnastics, volleyball and other non-revenue sports are attracting eyeballs, but that’s just bull.
Football and (and to a much lesser extent men’s basketball) will be the driving factor behind everything.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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May 16, 2023, 9:33 AM
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The Big 12 has already shown that unequal revenue distribution doesn't solve the problem.
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How's that?
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May 16, 2023, 9:41 AM
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There is a reason schools like A&M, Missouri, Nebraska and now Texas and Oklahoma either left or are leaving.
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Re: How's that?
May 16, 2023, 10:00 AM
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Yeah that’s proof they unequal revenue didn’t work.
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Completely agree...
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May 16, 2023, 10:04 AM
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I think I may have just misread your original post.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
May 19, 2023, 12:32 AM
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Just like having the coots on a yearly schedule weakens Clemson's strength of schedule, or any other team that has them on a yearly schedule!!!!!!
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May 16, 2023, 9:58 AM
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If the eight schools follow the rules that are defined in the contract, everything should be fine. The ACC can file all of the lawsuits that it wants. If there is no breech of contract, the ACC will not win in court.
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not sure you get solid 8
May 16, 2023, 3:31 PM
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don't see BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Ga Tech, Duke, Wake going along with this. Ga Tech left SEC once. Perhaps Louisville because their eyes are bigger than their stomach, but don't know if they have guts to take a chance.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
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I don't quite get why people think the SEC wants to add Clemson and Florida State when they haven't gotten more money in their contract with ESPN with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma. I get that they are working on it, but the SEC has little leverage since the exclusive deal is in place with ESPN.
If ESPN says "we won't give you one dollar more for Clemson and FSU" we will never get the offers.
And whoever at ESPN says in a meeting, "we have all of Clemson's home games already. Maybe we should pay them $20 million more in the SEC" is going to lose his job for that dumb suggestion.
Furthermore... if the ACC dissolves for the sole purpose of getting out of the ESPN contract, that will be a serious case of breach on contract.
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Re: Semantics: Dissolve ACC vs. end GOR
May 19, 2023, 12:08 AM
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LOL if ESECPN would renegotiate, why would they do something that stupid when they know they have the ACC by the balls. The ACC contract is where they make their profit bc they gave the SEC all their profits to help keep them one of the strongest conferences in all of college sports. LMAO, renegotiate with the ACC, yeah Right😆😆😆
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I find it hard to believe that three schools
May 19, 2023, 12:34 AM
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Was able to convince the other five to back their play on unequal revenue streams. I feel like some how these thee teams were able to get the votes to dissolve the conference if X didn’t happen. That’s when the commissioner flew down to Florida.
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