Re: See, understanding and communicating isn't that hard if you define a few terms.

If we create an AI that convincingly mimics human consciousness...

pawprint404 · 2025-06-16T13:37:29.276Z

at what point, if ever, should we consider it to have a "soul", or moral worth?

We speak of souls being lost. One tense is when a plane crashes and everyone dies. That indicate their physical bodies cease to live. Your OP has a question which demands only other questions.

The other definition is a man's spirit within. Are you asking when will, or should we declare that AI has a spirit within or a physical body. I led you to that question and you simply lack comprehension.

My next question is, can you have one without the other? That will lead to us wondering whether or not a soul without a body is eternal and what happens to that soul when the body dies.

You must understand what I believe and I must have a clear understanding of what you believe if we are really going to communicate, a foundation must be laid. Right now we're speaking in different languages if we don't share our definition.

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See, understanding and communicating isn't that hard if you define a few terms.

Jun 20, 2025, 9:00 AM

You want to know what I think and I want to have a simple, if possible, frame of reference for us to talk.

I too believe that a soul doesn't need a human body to exist. Our bodies, I believe, are vehicles in which we are transported about until we die. In the past, ~1960ish, we had this term 'free spirit.' It was used to describe someone who freely did anything the body demanded, a slave if you will to the human flesh.

Being a free spirit was exactly opposite of what you and I are discussing. It was then and remains so today. 'A woman trapped in a man's body,' or a man trapped in a woman's body,' we all heard those declarations. I submit that we are all trapped in a body and serve it thinking it's our entire existence. I have no intent in getting into the politics or right vs wrong of those declarations.

So what happens to our existence if the body dies? What do you believe?

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If we create an AI that convincingly mimics human consciousness...

I'm thinking when it doesn't need chips and circuits to exist.

Re: I'm thinking when it doesn't need chips and circuits to exist.

Define sentient.***

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That's an example not a definition.***

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I'm digging to find out why AI would need to mimic human to get a soul.

Re: I'm digging to find out why AI would need to mimic human to get a soul.

See, understanding and communicating isn't that hard if you define a few terms.