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Legend [18790]
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RB recruiting
Dec 7, 2022, 11:33 PM
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Is no one else concerned?
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Orange Blooded [2523]
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 7, 2022, 11:36 PM
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No, apparently having two power 5 quality RBs is enough according to TNet. We can find our backups at Daniel High School.
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 7:18 PM
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There are a lot of DW Daniel graduates out there. Most of us didn’t get an offer from Clemson or anyone else! Quit picking on us…
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Orange Blooded [2987]
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 7, 2022, 11:48 PM
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I have asked more than 5 times 5his season and the common response is who would want to come behind two 4* and one 4*?
That really doesn't makes sense. Good teams carry 4-6 good RBs on the team with one coming in. UGA and Bama always probably two Top 5 RBs on their team at all times. We struggle to have 2 good ones.
After this year with all our rushing yards, we should easily bring in a too 10 RB. We are basically 4yrs away from a top 10RB. We haven't got a top 10 since Shipley in 2020. We don't have a cruit for 2023 so we are hoping for 2024. We have two 3* we are hoping for in 2023.
End of the day, Spiller should not be in charge of recruiting any position. Not sure our RBs sre doing great or not? They fumble a lot of balls.
While I love CJ on the team, I dont think he can recruit and have my doubts about coaching. Only thing I have seen this year with our RBs is they don't lean forward as much thru the hole.
RBs dont block better, dont catch better, bit I think they do hit the hole better!
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 1:14 AM
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Did you just make that up? Really am shocked at how stupid you guys have become complete embarrassment
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All-In [44042]
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Spiller is the RB coach but other coaches, including Dabo, are heavily involved in recruiting.
Dec 8, 2022, 1:21 AM
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If you don’t like the RB recruiting, you should blame our head coach and our recruiting coordinator.
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Orange Blooded [4035]
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Re: Spiller is the RB coach but other coaches, including Dabo, are heavily involved in recruiting.
Dec 8, 2022, 8:59 AM
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Another jealousy jab. So so predictable.
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 7:13 PM
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So tell us why this is an issue.
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All-In [44042]
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I’m concerned.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:48 AM
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I’m not sure why some people aren’t.
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Legend [16134]
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No worries, Fearless Leader has it all under control, just
Dec 8, 2022, 1:07 AM
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don't look behind the curtain
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Orange Blooded [2975]
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Re: No worries, Fearless Leader has it all under control, just
Dec 8, 2022, 1:19 AM
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But if you made the curtain then what?
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Orange Blooded [2975]
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 1:01 AM
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I am compelled bc JK is
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All-American [557]
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No b/c the skill set required can be found...
Dec 8, 2022, 2:15 AM
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in abundance. Stars do matter most but the position where they matter least is the RB position. Yes, I'd rather have a legit break away threat like Etienne but I am more concerned with the passing game.The evolution of the game continues to flow in one direction w/ heavy emphasis on the passing game. We've been in reverse for the last 2 seasons. Also much of a running backs success is dependent on the OL(see Etienne's Sr year); the NFL continues to devalue the position as it is common knowledge that an adequate replacement for a starting RB can routinely be found in the later rounds and at times straight off the street. The NFL generally follows the trends of CFB.
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110%er [7987]
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Re: No b/c the skill set required can be found...
Dec 8, 2022, 7:58 AM
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in abundance. Stars do matter most but the position where they matter least is the RB position. Yes, I'd rather have a legit break away threat like Etienne but I am more concerned with the passing game.The evolution of the game continues to flow in one direction w/ heavy emphasis on the passing game. We've been in reverse for the last 2 seasons. Also much of a running backs success is dependent on the OL(see Etienne's Sr year); the NFL continues to devalue the position as it is common knowledge that an adequate replacement for a starting RB can routinely be found in the later rounds and at times straight off the street. The NFL generally follows the trends of CFB.
Its unfortunately that you could not see the difference between ETN ===> our current backs ----> average 3* backs
On a given play, ETN would hit the hole and take it to the house, Shipley would make a nice 10 yard gain and the average back gets tackled near the LOS. To be a top tier team we cannot be one dimensional. So to say the passing game is all that matters is not based on reality. So is thinking we can load up on backs who have no other P5 offers and think our ground game will not suffer. So is assuming either or both Shipley or Mafah will return for their senior year. So is assuming we will not have an injury or two next year like we saw with Pace this year.
Unfortunately too many of the t-net old guard (you know the New Balance wearing shirt tucking crew) are not willing to recognize an issue until they see it on the field then they seem surprised it happened because they are unwilling or unable to project a situation's impact on future sucesss.
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Legend [19678]
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We won a championship with Gallman as well
Dec 8, 2022, 1:14 PM
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ETN IMO is our best RB ever. Complete package. Should we strive to top him, of course. Do we have to, no. We are a QB driven offense
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Legend [17599]
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Good call
Dec 8, 2022, 4:11 PM
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ETN and Terry Allen would be my top two Tiger backs with CJ Spiller as backup, or flip it with Allen as top backup.
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Legend [19678]
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And Allen was***
Dec 8, 2022, 5:12 PM
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Legend [19678]
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Recruited as a DB, moved to RB as a redshirt freshman
Dec 8, 2022, 5:14 PM
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because we had no backs. He and Wesley McFadden wound up a pretty decent duo, huh?
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Re: No b/c the skill set required can be found...
Dec 8, 2022, 7:43 PM
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ETN literally fell into our lap. We only got him because LSU was full at the position. LSU deemed that the backs they had were better than ETN. I guess a recruiting miss on their part and just lucky on our part. Sometimes better to be lucky than good.
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Orange Blooded [2987]
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They had a decommit and LSU charged ETN hard!
Dec 8, 2022, 10:02 PM
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Thankfully he recognized sincerity and stuck with us. ETN was amazing, he was so good as a freshman that I thought he got lucky. But after few games in his Soph yr, I learned that he could run through arm-tackles better than any RB I had ever seen at his size. There are breaks that Ship has had but a hand on the foot tackled him before a long gain and ETN mafe those look easy. ETN hit the hole faster and stronger than most his size and arm-tackles didn't exist.
If that leg strength is why, then that is what Ship needs to add to his game. Ship gets 4-5 almosts every game and just didn't break that one hand to tackle him. Been better this year, but I would be in ETN ear asking him. Ship is on the verge of being great, just a little more ETN leg strength maybe???
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Orange Blooded [2248]
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 2:35 AM
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Concerned yes, but this year is not over yet. I don't think that our difficulties last year were overly surprising. If we do not manage to pick somebody up late or through the portal, then my concerns will escalate. Right now I am probably at about a 6 on a scale of 1-10, but it will hit 8 or 9 if we head into spring without more depth than Thomas and Adams.
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Legend [19678]
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We'll sign the developmental kid from Bama
Dec 8, 2022, 6:42 AM
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very doubtful we get a portal guy satisfied with 5 carries a game.
We don't know what we have in Adams, other than he was lightly recruited.
Thomas is a good depth guy like Rencher was
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Re: We'll sign the developmental kid from Bama
Dec 8, 2022, 6:52 AM
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Still hopeful on Adams. Got a good feeling about him.
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Legend [19678]
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I actually am as well
Dec 8, 2022, 9:02 AM
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Different type than Mafah or Ship. Closer to Pace. Compact, supposedly runs tough. Not breakaway speed but not slow.
I think he'll be fine as the guy behind Ship and Mafah next year, but what do I know. Besides, he's not a 4 star, so for some he's never gonna be to their standards.
Plus, he wanted Clemson. I like that in a player
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Re: We'll sign the developmental kid from Bama
Dec 8, 2022, 8:40 AM
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very doubtful we get a portal guy satisfied with 5 carries a game.
We don't know what we have in Adams, other than he was lightly recruited.
Thomas is a good depth guy like Rencher was
Wait...you think Reacher was a good depth guy? SMH
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Legend [19678]
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He was 4th string
Dec 8, 2022, 8:58 AM
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yes, he was a good 4th stringer. Knew assignments and didn't blow them. Good teammate. Leader. Knew his role.
What are you looking for from a 4th stringer?
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Commissioner [923]
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Yes and we should be... hopefully we can pick up a portal
Dec 8, 2022, 7:04 AM
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guy who is good and not just a person
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All-TigerNet [10360]
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there's a lot to be concerned about.***
Dec 8, 2022, 7:06 AM
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CU Guru [1998]
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It's very apparent Dabo doesn't know what he's doing***
Dec 8, 2022, 7:35 AM
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Re: It's very apparent Dabo doesn't know what he's doing***
Dec 8, 2022, 8:45 AM
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I think the term for your response is gaslighting meaning you want to try and derail the discussion, so you take it to a ludicrously extreme level in an effort to make the other side look out of touch. In case you were not aware, Dabo does a lot of things very well but unfortunately like the rest of us in not perfect.
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Re: It's very apparent Dabo doesn't know what he's doing***
Dec 8, 2022, 6:51 PM
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No, gaslighting is when you intentionally lie and tell someone else they are crazy for their position. It’s really more of a psychological abuse than a logical fallacy.
This is a straw man argument which is where one party changes the parameters of the argument in an attempt to make the other position be wrong by default. The argument being “we have a concerning depth chart at RB” and the response being “Dabo knows what he is doing”. It doesn’t address the conclusion of the argument. An appropriate response would be “Dabo has a record of finding under recruited players that fit our system and I think Adams can be a serviceable back if needed”
They are similar in nature, but essentially different as one is about maliciously lying and the other is about misrepresenting an argument. Another example would be Judge Keller, he’s a prototypical gas lighter, he lies about things with a very specific and malicious agenda to manipulate people on this website.
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 8:18 AM
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I’m honestly not. DB’s, WR’s and OL are my current worries and I’m not overly upset about those either. Give me a good OL and I will have a stud RB.
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 8:19 AM
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It baffles me . I don't understand how a perennial playoff team can no longer recruit a running back or a receiver. Spiller is not very personable.
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All-In [44042]
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Dabo is personable. Streeter supposedly is too.
Dec 8, 2022, 11:45 AM
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They are heavily involved with recruiting. Why can’t they sway some top RBs lately? Or even some solid 4 star RBs?
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Orange Blooded [2695]
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Wait and See Mode
Dec 8, 2022, 8:23 AM
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Portal just opened this week and early signing period is coming up.
Ultimately, I'm just waiting to see what happens. Of course, looking at our roster/recruiting (long term) wouldn't have me feeling the best but hopefully it works itself out and we get some good news here soon.
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Heisman Winner [140464]
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Why not worry while we wait?
Dec 8, 2022, 8:27 AM
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Seems like a good use of life force.
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Legend [19678]
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Worry is clearly a healthy attribute
Dec 8, 2022, 9:20 AM
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especially about things you don't control
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Heisman Winner [140464]
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Please clean under your fingernails before gnawin on them...
Dec 8, 2022, 8:26 AM
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all sorts of bacteria gut under there.
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Orange Blooded [3730]
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When Ship/Mafah get hurt, then, we can talk about this…
Dec 8, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Re: When Ship/Mafah get hurt, then, we can talk about this…
Dec 8, 2022, 8:48 AM
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Or we could discuss it now given you are not a hall monitor...
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Orange Blooded [3730]
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It’s called…wait for it…
Dec 8, 2022, 8:50 AM
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SARCASM
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Orange Blooded [4035]
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Maybe, but not panicking.
Dec 8, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Concerned? Maybe a bit.
It is one thing to be concerned - and another to panic.
Maybe you should consider the why?
Well,
First you have to be open to coming to Clemson for a host of reasons. Geography, family, money, etc.
Then, you look at the depth chart. We had 3 very good RBs who were getting the Carries. (One was hurt most of the year).
RBs, like other skill players, want to play early. Behind 3, how many Carrie’s are you going to get for a couple of years? Now one leaves, setting off people to be critical.
Todays world, players transfer.
Then you have 5 star players like Bowman who has moved to 3rd team and still no Carries.
You now go to the schools we compete with, Ohio state (short list of rb), Bama, etc. the clear anomaly is UGA and they have been getting good rbs for years. Not sure their depth is what it once was, but still solid.
So, who do you think will want to come and get buried?
Now, this clearly is an opportunity for. Jealousy jab by JK. To blame Dabo and CJ. While he is doing the Jealousy Jab Shuffle - and blaming Dabo for such a horrible job - we win the conference, go to the orange bowl, and we’re 7th according to the polls. Ouch, how horrible!
Just because a name has stars does not mean they can play. (Bowman), does not mean they will get into the school, does not mean they want to come to Clemson. Dabo will find the right people.
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Legend [19678]
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When a real opportunity to carry the ball opens up
Dec 8, 2022, 1:20 PM
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we'll get the guys we want. Until then, see if you can find another Gallman or McFadden who you can develop. Pace was that type guy. Adams could be, we honestly have no idea, he hasn't played
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Re: Maybe, but not panicking.
Dec 8, 2022, 7:47 PM
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Why does JK feel compelled to respond to literally every post on TNet? Asking for a Dabo cultist.
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Orange Blooded [4965]
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Concerned that CJ Spiller can't recruit...
Dec 8, 2022, 1:20 PM
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Something has to shake here, we're missing out on quality RB recruits because, for some reason, he can't close the deal. Tony Elliott didn't have the problem.
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Re: Concerned that CJ Spiller can't recruit...
Dec 8, 2022, 7:38 PM
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Hard for me to keep up. Last year, according to TNET geniuses, Elliott was the awful coach, but now he was great?
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 1:27 PM
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May still be able to land Christopher Johnson but those odds seem to be waning.
Do not understand, at all, why this staff has not offered Jarvis Green.
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 9:41 PM
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You just got your wish!!! Offer made!
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 9:41 PM
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You just got your wish!!! Offer made!
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I couldn't sleep at all last night over it.
Dec 8, 2022, 7:21 PM
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I took a 6 hour nap today after realizing that year after year we've lost players to the draft and seen freshmen come in and compete for starting jobs.
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Re: RB recruiting
Dec 8, 2022, 10:05 PM
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Shipley -5.8 yards per cary
Mafah- 5.2 yards per cary
Thomas- 4.4 yards per cary (limited action
Adams- 7.0 yards per cary (limited action)
Klubnik- 4.0 yards per cary (limited action) includes sacks
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