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Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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It came down to his family wants to live in the Carolinas. (Got more complex than that, but that was the first reason they gave.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-1vTMBJdc
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:09 PM
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Or the shortcut version.... Who da XXXX wants to live in Pa? Or Ohio for that matter?
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:18 PM
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Never been but heard that part of PA is beautiful. Just wouldn’t want to deal with the weather 6 months out of the year.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:24 PM
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Western Pa and NY is OK for two months out of the year. Yeah, no..... LOL
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:41 PM
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Never been but heard that part of PA is beautiful. Just wouldn’t want to deal with the weather 6 months out of the year.
My daughter graduated from Penn State and I worked in State College for several years, a lot like Clemson, but the winters are brutal in the nittany mountains.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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The weather isn't that bad in the valleys. The snow is beautiful when you're young. It's only bad for 2 or 3 months, and that's not every year. It's not much different than Clemson. The mean temp is skewed because the nighttime lows get low. But it's only about a month off from SC.
The folks are salt of the earth like SC. People gravitate to their own ilk, just like everywhere else.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:02 AM
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It’s more than a month off from SC, especially depending on what part of SC you live in. I’ve lived in both places. SC winters are much better.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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Jan 14, 2025, 1:44 PM
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I've lived in Lexington, Clemson most of my life. Houston for a year, now Pennsylvania for 4 years. But had relatives in Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and both sides of PA. Good friends in the finger lakes of NY. Darn nice place in the summer and wonderful place in the winter to hibernate and read a book.
So, I've been around a little bit. People always assume that everyone past the line are arrogant Yankees that live in NYC or downtown Boston. Each their own. I'm sure some Clemson fans assume Tom Allen will need to be acclimated to the culture since he grew up in Indiana. In fact wasn't it '88 popular poster posted similar yesterday that he'd have to get culture wise. Ghesh.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
Jan 14, 2025, 6:41 PM
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I’ve moved around a bit myself. SC (five different areas), MD, So Cal, VA, FL, UT, CT, etc. Even in Northern VA it seemed like the winters would never end compared to SC. The summers are wonderful further north for sure.
I agree with you about the people. One thing I’ve learned is there are good and bad people everywhere. Sure, culture is different from place to place and sometimes hard to understand, but if you make the effort to understand people you’ll find a lot of great people everywhere. Not just south of the line. Too much division in the world - even in the US.
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Does not sound like a narrative. That is basically the truth!
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:51 PM
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I wouldn't want their weather for two weeks out of a year!!! Yikes, can you imagine having to dig anything out that you left outside, no thank you, and that's one of the biggest reasons that the Yankees that can afford it head south when their winter weather starts moving in!!!
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"Yankees". Hahaha. Not everyone from up North is a Yankee fan.
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:22 AM
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My wife is a Red Sox!
Go Tigers!
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It’s not a fun place to be if it’s more than a week. I’m glad I visited but I’m definitely not going back.
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I do. It's not that bad. If his daughters were in Pennsylvania, they'd probably want to live in PA. Pennsylvania is largely like sc. Big cities not withstanding.
State college is a neat town just like Clemson. Very similar, almost exact. And don't come at me with geography or climate or culture. Yes, it is colder but for the most part, the climate is very comparable.
As for the ytube discussion. We know the family thing. I also posted earlier that I felt Dabo and Tom had conversations on the trail before, as did Luke. Dabo most likely talked to him about faith and family... as well as like Luke, understands the value of not being a head coach.
Also, when names and pundits were being discussed, one of Allen's strengths and drawbacks is his simplicity. Wes was way too complicated. I like the hire. Simplicity works, like Riley, not do too much, just be the best at it. Generally speaking. However, that's what I've heard about Allen in several conversations, he's not aggressive or exotic enough. Hopefully with Dabo's analysts, Allen will become more exotic in disguising his coverages and blitz packages.
I hope they do a deep dive into his recruiting prowess. He coaxed some good 4* talent into coming to Indiana. I do have concern with the 25 class he helped psu recruit. It's not impressive at all.
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:51 PM
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"However, that's what I've heard about Allen in several conversations, he's not aggressive or exotic enough. Hopefully with Dabo's analysts, Allen will become more exotic in disguising his coverages and blitz packages."
Then this is what I kind of where I disagree with the Penn State perspective. I don't think getting exotic for the sake of being exotic is an advantage. All it does is add risk.
There are some basic football axioms....
1) If a play is working, run the same dang play until they prove they can stop it.
2) If your RB is getting 6 yards a carry, just keep running
3) If you are 1st and goal at the 1.... run up the middle from under center (unless you can't)
4) If your vanilla offense is effective, don't run the trick play!
5) If your man can beat their man... just man up.
All they are saying is... Do the simplest thing that is effective.
Same thing on defense. Every blitz reduces coverage... You get exotic to cover up weaknesses. If Allen didn't see a lot of weaknesses, it really didn't make sense for him to be exotic. If "if they can't pass, stack the box" is the most exotic you have to be, you are going to win some games. Yeah, it's less exciting to watch... yeah, it looks like nothing special... but all it did was get them to the playoff for the 1st time ever.
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Exotic just gives people something to brag/talk about, but I would rather they have a winning score on the scoreboard to brag and talk about...
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I wholeheartedly agree. But if you listen to the interview with gruden 7 years ago, and listen to some commentary from film study and pundits, that's what I picked up on. Not what I was agreeing or disagreeing with. As I said, I'm stoked with the hire. Exotics is something they were using. It's probably not what I'm thinking of at all. I'm talking being disguise post snap like cbv was excellent at. But I do like the fact he doesn't mind letting dbs do deep shot island and he hates to give up the dink and dunk... I do too.
Anyway, Thanks for the response. Spot the spring ball.
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Kinda like what I think it was Tony that said he didn't care if the opposing coach was guessing his next play bc he was putting his best players up against theirs and they had to stop them...
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State College is also in the middle of nowhere, but massive compared to Clemson, as is the size of their program.
And from a former east-coaster who heavily considered weather when deciding on a college (including PSU), Clemson’s climate is way more mild than central PA.
There has to be more to the story for him to leave after only 1 year. I can’t imagine we are paying much more than PSU would come up to.
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Re: You should move there, coot.***
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I live here now and have traveled from sc to PA many times all during the year. Have family in eastern, western and south central. Yes, the weather in state college can get cold but the 6 months from April to October are delightful.
Get your wellies and dress in layers, once the ball is spotted, you really don't care about the weather.
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Re: It sounds like you need to get out more.***
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Love you judge. I wish I could get out more.
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I lived in Pa for a year doing some poat-grad work. The weather wasn't all that bad on the eastern side, but Happy Valley isn't on the east side, it's not on a coastal plain and the only time I was there, which was for a football game, it's was terribly cold.
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Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 PM
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Yep. I'm about like Lexington to Clemson to state college. But neither are coastal plains so I was confused with that comparison. Certainly it's colder... more geo if Clemson was in Salem.
Yes, psu has more campus students but Clemson is catching up fast. That's why I said in my original post, the weather is milder but quite a few south Carolinians think psu is like living in Erie or something.
But, albeit smaller than Clemson, they have a tremendous ag and forestry college. Older than Clemson but vet and engineering is big. Clemson will when they get full blown vet school. Also, the locals will tell travelers to psu they have to go get ice cream ... sound familiar? As for culture, psu residents are proud of their town because it's remote and revolves around the college. Many were opposed with the growth? Sound familiar? Praying that Tom and Luke can pull the recruiting for these linebackers and ol from this area. Thanks for the response.
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:59 PM
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There's a lot of velveeta there.
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I lived in Pa for a year doing some poat-grad work. The weather wasn't all that bad on the eastern side, but Happy Valley isn't on the east side, it's not on a coastal plain and the only time I was there, which was for a football game, it's was terribly cold.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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It also seems that Dabo's faith worked in his favor with the hiring of Tom Allen a man that lives his life through the words of Jesus Christ with this being a lateral move for Allen and his family even though there was a mention of the Allen's daughters living in the Carolina's. Yes it matters to me personally that Allen is a firm believer in our Lord Jesus Christ but, if he is one of the better DC's in the country I would easily give my approval of his hire bc what we need mostly to help get our FB program back at the very top is one of the top DC's in the country that his coaching abilities can match the talent that Clemson has been known for on that side of the ball throughout our program history. And I absolutely believe that is the very reason that Dabo is trying to get him firmly planted into our FB program. I surely don't believe that Dabo wanted Tom Allen as a prayer partner bc churches have plenty of people like that and it doesn't cost $1.5,6,7 million dollars, prayer partners don't cost a dime...
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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Tom Allen wanted to work with a coach that has shown he is capable of winning national titles and with a program that exudes great culture, not a recent history of pedophilia. People calling this a step down is ridiculous
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Come on now… Franklin is a decent HC, if we had Michigan and OSU in conference, our past fortunes would likely be different.
I’m no fan of PSU, but I’d say they are past the Sandusky days.
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Franklin NEVER wins a big game, and will Never get fired.
Joe Paterno said Clemson didn’t deserve our 1981 championship, Penn State did.
When we played them in the 1988 Citrus Bowl, Danny Ford ran up the score to beat them 35-10.
Penn State ran a real clean program in those days, coaches hand-washed the players….
Go Tigers! 🐅
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:28 AM
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Texas Tiger , totally disagree with Paterno, but did appreciate PSU removing PITT out of our way
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Re: Ridiculous take.***
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Agreed, the PSU fans take on it being a step down is a rather ridiculous take.
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I'm sure it had nothing to do with learning from the master.***
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It’s above the mason dixion line I completely understand
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Maybe he will stay awhile then if they want to be in this area of the country.***
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:12 AM
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Who doesn't want to live here now? The influx is unbelievable.
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Influx Got that right. Here in the Greenville area it gets more difficult everyday to hear someone that talks like me -with a southern accent.
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But who will replace Allen for Penn State? The coots DC is being considered.
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Great hire. Saw him coach at Ole Miss and he is a really good DC and wasn’t a bad HC at Indiana. He will be great here. The wanting to be in the Carolinas thing sounds like a PC answer or excuse from PSU people. With his reputation I can’t imagine that Franklin is good to work for. Dabo’s culture is a much better fit for Allen.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
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Speaking of ALLEN…Davis A caught a TD Pass last night. I didn’t know where he was
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I agree with Clemgalalways®. I lived in Erie for about 10 years and my son attended Penn State. I remember the first visit to State College in 2007 and commenting to my wife that it was just like Clemson, only bigger. It is in a beautiful part of the state and it does get colder during football season than at Clemson. The biggest difference from a weather perspective is the amount of sunshine. This was something we talked about a lot in Erie because Erie only averages 160 with at least partial sun. Hence the nickname “Dreary Erie”. State College is better at 178 days but Clemson has 222 days of sunshine each year. That’s about a month and a half of more sunny days in Clemson. For me, this is the biggest difference in living in the two areas.
And yes, PSU is known for their ice cream too. But in 2017 College Magazine ranked the best ice cream on college campuses and Clemson was #1 to PSU’s #2. So we beat them there too.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
Jan 14, 2025, 11:01 AM
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The legacy of Sandusky and JoePa turning a blind eye still casts a large shadow over State College.
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
Jan 14, 2025, 12:17 PM
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Thanks for sharing this!
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Re: Penn State perspective on why Allen left.
Jan 14, 2025, 1:44 PM
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Good breakdown by these guys. Very professional. It's hard to fault a guy for moving on when it seems like family is the driving factor--daughters in the Carolinas, so the parents want to move, Clemson comes looking... it's a no brainer. I also liked the breakdown of the scheme similarities and personality similarities. Makes me feel even better about the hire.
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