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PATHETIC
Mar 28, 2018, 11:00 PM
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If the story about C.J. and Jadar is true I hope they’re punished severely. Pathetic showing of Clemson Football and what we have established here.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 28, 2018, 11:03 PM
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Doesn't reflect on Clemson football at all in my opinion .
It certainly reflects on those young men's poor decision making , that is a certainty .
Hoping that there may be a big mistake here somehow .
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:03 AM
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Yes it does reflect on Clemson football like it or not.
These 2 are still on campus doing these crimes , so how does it not reflect on Clemson football.
It’s the same as if they were apart of this years team.
Nothing the NCAA can do about it but people will have different opinions about Clemson football because of this.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:16 AM
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They might have committed the crime on Clemson City property... But what part of FORMER is not clear? Neither are part of the program, both left early for themselves... Both thought for themselves again and now might pay for it. I'm quite sure that is not anywhere close to what this program represents, teachers, or condones. They left the program, and this is their decision on their own.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:31 AM
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Everything written about this will have the word Clemson in it.
C.J. Fuller is a mere few months removed from Clemson.
No Clemson doesn’t allow this kind of behavior but it still reflects on Clemson football.
This is the kind of stuff other programs that wish they were Clemson love to see.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:52 AM
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Yes it will have Clemson on it.. No doubt. But it didn't reflect on the program. They both got in zero trouble while IN the program. What this shows for CJ is his own personal battle that caused him to drop from 1st to 4th string, to leave the program... To do this. This does not reflect on any teaching of the program... It reflects on bad choices. In the end he not Jadar are currently party of the program... They are former, and did this after leaving. One has a background of losing 4 doors in last year's depth chart and choosing to transfer.. The other graduated, went on a NFK Scout team, and retired before he ever got cut or made a team... To try to come back a year later. Neither exemplify cream of crop of the program unless you are a twisting coot writer.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:17 AM
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They might have committed the crime on Clemson City property... But what part of FORMER is not clear? Neither are part of the program, both left early for themselves... Both thought for themselves again and now might pay for it. I'm quite sure that is not anywhere close to what this program represents, teachers, or condones. They left the program, and this is their decision on their own.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:46 AM
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Were they wearing their uniforms ?
Was a coach with them ? Are they both still on scholarship and actively participating in spring practice ?
If you can answer yes to ANY of those questions then yes , Clemson football has been poorly represented by these two young guys who stand accused of the crime .
If not , then I say again ... Clemson football isn't held in any poor light by the actions of Johnson and Fuller .
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:56 AM
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Why do you care what people think about Clemson football , if they're wrong ?
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 2:28 AM
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I totally agree. And I believe Dabo will feel like he failed these young men in some way even though he gave them his best. I am really surprised by Jadar Johnson being involved in something like this and C.J. Fuller.
This is why I am not on the side of paying players. They receive a free education, books, room and board, food, physical and psychological training and treatment, travel, and many other amenities that most students don’t enjoy. They can come back and stand on the sidelines for games and always have an in to the athletic department. I know Dabo works hard to help those who aren’t NFL prospects to find good jobs. Many of these kids are given an opportunity most kids have to go into $60K to $70K just to obtain a Clemson degree.
I hope these guys are made examples of and receive the strictest punishment the law allows. If you cut them some slack it may not get their attention. This is the time while they are young where Dabo and the legal system can use this incident to prevent future athletes from going down the wrong path and possibly stop C.J. , Jadar and the other kid from doing something worse.
Some transfers work out but IMO most players that sign a LOI to play for Clemson are much better off if the stay even If they do not get the playing time they want. Clemson is a special place and Dabo and his staff and the family environment at Clemson usually turn boys into to fine men who leave Clemson and represent the University in a very positive light. 99% of the athletes that play at Clemson leave much better men and women then when they arrived. C.J. Fuller should have stayed at Clemson and then he would have benefited from being at Spring practice. I am not sure about Jadar did he graduate? If not he would have benefited too by being a part of the team and in spring practice. The Duke kid I don’t know much about but it is an embrassment to Clemson because of the media attention C.J. and Jadar received while part of the football program. More than anything it is tragic for these young men and the bad decisions they made today.
We need to pray for these young men. We don’t want them to become part of the system in and out of trouble most of their lives because these lives are usually short.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 10:48 AM
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This is certainly the rational thinking about this situation, but the fan bases of other teams will play this up big time as a Clemson problem. We won't hear about it but rival coaches and recruits will be talking about it. Human nature is a ##### sometimes.
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What does Clemson football
Mar 28, 2018, 11:04 PM
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Have to do with these two individuals?
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The key word is "former" Clemson football players.
Mar 28, 2018, 11:07 PM
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Even before this happened they were no longer associated with the team.
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But they were hanging out with a member of Duke’s brotherhood. Not good.***
Mar 28, 2018, 11:18 PM
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Re: But they were hanging out with a member of Duke’s brotherhood. Not good.***
Mar 29, 2018, 10:38 AM
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The dookies will say there guy was hanging out with 2 former Tigers and got arrested in Clemson attempting to rob someone.
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Unfortunate
Mar 28, 2018, 11:23 PM
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But it's impossible keep tabs on all players at all times, let alone former players. They are still individuals at the end of the day
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Re: Unfortunate
Mar 29, 2018, 12:29 AM
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Lol... Just a point, why would any coach or program have to keep up with a former player ever? Once they are in former status, the coach has zero responsibility... The kids himself and his family are now the responsible ones. The Clemson program kept both straight their entire tenure as players... Their possible mistake came 1) in leaving And 2) after they left. Either way, they are not part of the Clemson program, and one even had a degree. No excuse... If you want to see the program side of it, see Dabo's interview a few days ago, that he started he was happy for Jadar... To work on his mental issues. I think that says the coaches knew he was having issues inside that he chose to not to accept their help.
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Re: Unfortunate
Mar 29, 2018, 4:38 AM
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I agree with you but as a former coach at the High school youth age group you feel like they are always your kids and you hope you had a positive impact on their lives and when something negative happens you wonder what you could have done better or different.
One of my kids died from drug abuse in his 30’s and it hurt me. And I ask myself several times what I could have done better to help this kid. Even though he was no longer my responsibility,I still felt like I could have done something different to get him on the right path.
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Re: Unfortunate
Mar 29, 2018, 12:29 AM
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Lol... Just a point, why would any coach or program have to keep up with a former player ever? Once they are in former status, the coach has zero responsibility... The kids himself and his family are now the responsible ones. The Clemson program kept both straight their entire tenure as players... Their possible mistake came 1) in leaving And 2) after they left. Either way, they are not part of the Clemson program, and one even had a degree. No excuse... If you want to see the program side of it, see Dabo's interview a few days ago, that he started he was happy for Jadar... To work on his mental issues. I think that says the coaches knew he was having issues inside that he chose to not to accept their help.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 28, 2018, 11:23 PM
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Wow. What ever happened to once a tiger, always a tiger? Do we only take credit for the x-football players that do well in their life and forget about the ones that need help. This is pathetic.
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What are we supposed to do? Blame someone on the staff?***
Mar 28, 2018, 11:26 PM
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 28, 2018, 11:51 PM
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We need to all remember that they are innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone accused them of it, doesn’t mean they actually did it. There have been many cases of false accusations over the years. Let’s give the police time to investigate before we cast judgement.
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Yes Dabo has created a criminal culture
Mar 29, 2018, 12:03 AM
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and this program needs to shut down. Everyone needs to be fired because these two represent everything Clemson sports and clearly we have major problem.
I hope you sense the heavy sarcasm....
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lol--this, of course, will be the ongoing theme on fgf
Mar 29, 2018, 1:11 AM
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for weeks to come...."criminal culture at Clemson" will supposedly deflect some of the horrible PR heaped on 5 Points the last few months.
Loved the headline in the Charleston P&C which didn.t state FORMER players--it prominently states two players "From National Championship Team" arrested for armed robbery
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Isn’t the police dept supposed to sweep this sort of thing under the rug?
Mar 29, 2018, 2:27 AM
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Criminal arrests are so Cootlumbia.
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 12:20 AM
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They might have committed the crime on Clemson City property... But what part of FORMER is not clear? Neither are part of the program, both left early for themselves... Both thought for themselves again and now might pay for it. I'm quite sure that is not anywhere close to what this program represents, teachers, or condones. They left the program, and this is their decision on their own.
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NOT a PART of THE PROGRAM. PERIOD!!!!!***
Mar 29, 2018, 2:02 AM
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 3:29 AM
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Severely punished? God forbid you have to endure a little teasing from the coots around the water tank.
Smdh
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Re: PATHETIC
Mar 29, 2018, 4:22 AM
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Problem with this is part of the recruiting pitch is that Dabo and company don’t just teach football, but teach how to be a better person. It’s all about the culture and family. This will be used against us in living rooms for recruiting. Very sad for C.J. and Jadar and I truly hope there is a reasonable explanation.
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You don't even know the scenario.******
Mar 29, 2018, 4:43 AM
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Armed Robbery has a long minimum sentance.
Mar 29, 2018, 11:11 AM
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So they will if convicted.
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