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One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
Mar 10, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Basically have to jettison the NET system if we make it in as an at large. It’s only been around 5 years and they’ve already retooled it once in that short time span. When they did, they rewrote the explanation to say that “Quad 3 and Quad 4 losses” are “incredibly important” in the selection process. If we make it in with 4 that is obviously out the window. There are probably a few hoping we win the ACC tourney so the can disregard our quad performances and kick the can down the road.
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Re: One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
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Mar 10, 2023, 2:54 PM
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Well, when the Tigers win the ACC Tournament, none of that will be relevant.😄 I will say that if they place incredible importance on Quad 3/Quad 4 losses, but do not also do the exact thing for Quad 1/Quad 2 WINS, the whole thing is idiotic anyhow. The idea that more emphasis is given to who you lost to, as opposed to who you have beaten, and where you have beaten them, is patently absurd. Clemson is already in the Tournament, I think. To quote the talking heads that “specialize” (yeah right) in the CFP, Clemson clearly passed the “eye test.” But, winning the ACC Tournament will make all of this just theoretical banter. Go Tigers! Beat the WaHoos!
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Re: One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
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Mar 10, 2023, 3:11 PM
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The full language says Quad 1 wins and Quad 3/4 losses are “incredibly important”. The NET ranking is already, in its short life, is already a less reliable predictor of making the tourney the RPI continues to be. But, no more than 1 quad loss has been a consistent cutoff since the implementation of NET (for at large bids). That seems to already be going away with Texas A&M appearing safely in despite 2 Quad 4 losses. But they have no quad 3 losses and an impressive 6 quad 1 victories. We only have 4 quad 1 wins (half of which are NC State) but 2 Quad 3 and 2 Quad 4 losses. We’re probably one of the last 4 teams that will be haggled over for the 11 seed play-in game. Maybe they’ll just make us play NC State one more time.
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Re: One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
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Mar 10, 2023, 3:58 PM
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I guess the idea is that with so many eligible D1 teams, there have to be points of reference. Example would be any minor conference could potentially have 2 teams with no more than 2 or 3 losses each but only 1 auto bid. If it were the Southern Conference and Furman got the bid with a 30-2 record by beating UNCG who finished with a 29-3 record how would the Committee compare UNCG to a Clemson or an NC State? I have no idea but I did see last night's game and I do not see how any Committee member could have seen us play and live with themselves if they did not say we were one of the best 64 teams in the country.
There will be no doubt if we can play our best game of the year and beat UVA.
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Re: One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
Mar 10, 2023, 4:10 PM
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I can’t see how any intelligent human being, who saw us dominant NCSU three times could live with State being selected and not Clemson. Yes, we had a couple of really bad losses, but those games were either early in the season or impacted by recovery from injuries to key players, or both.
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Re: One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
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Mar 10, 2023, 4:24 PM
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They’re no more likely to have watched those games than any of the nearly 5000 games in a NCAA div 1 season. If you only watched Clemson games this season you’ve watched less than 1% of games. If you watched basketball 40 hours a week as M-F all season long you’ve only watch about 25% of the basketball played. That’s why they have to use some kind of “objective” ranking system. Then, the very last few teams to get in based on those metrics are actually debated over. As of today, we’re in that discussion. If NC State has fallen down to that point then we would almost certainly trump them. But most people who do this every year still seem to think they’re safely in. Clemson / NC State could easily become Texas A&M /Rutgers of last season. Nearly every bracket had A&M in and Rutgers out and the tourney went the other way.
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If it favors a couple of bad losses over a winning record vs
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Mar 10, 2023, 4:06 PM
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Quad 1 teams, many of them on the road, then it SHOULD go, because we have proven we can beat good teams and deserve to be in
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Re: If it favors a couple of bad losses over a winning record vs
Mar 10, 2023, 4:17 PM
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All quad records are weighted for home/neutral/away and are progressive (updating as the teams rank changes). Our quad 1 victories are NC State away, NC State neutral, Duke home, Pittsburgh away.
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Re: If it favors a couple of bad losses over a winning record vs
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Mar 10, 2023, 4:39 PM
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But not weighted for injuries or when it happened (Dec vs Mar). For reference, PJ was still limping in for UofSc and Loyola was in Dec (still likely PJ was not quite there). It’s the same stupid garbage of the bcs era. Should be looked at, but not the ######.
Beat UVA and we’re in, though I’m not optimistic given our history with those guys, but let’s at least keep it competitive.
And MrsSt got rolled today and should thusly be out.
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Re: If it favors a couple of bad losses over a winning record vs
Mar 10, 2023, 10:30 PM
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Should UVA be getting a handicap for an injury to a starter tonight?
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Orange Blooded [2702]
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Re: One issue for the NCAA and a Clemson bid is that they will
Mar 10, 2023, 4:43 PM
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In my opinion, they’re making this harder than it needs to be. Of the 300+ teams, only a handful should be “on the bubble”. Get a committee together, hunker down, and make the selections.
There will always be some teams that feel slighted for getting excluded. Such is life. But this NET system is a pile of hot garbage.
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