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Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 2:34 PM
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For argument's sake and hopefully, DJ comes out in top form leading the offense early to a blow out of Tech. Say we are up 30 - 3 or something at half. Does Cade come in for 2 quarters and let's say he performs and continues to blow the bees out badly?
Game 2 and 3 Fat Wife Furman and La Tech let's suppose the game is also well in hand by half time, does Cade keep playing and get same time as DJ even if DJ is playing well. Do we inadvertently create a QB question by playing well?
I know, good problem to have. Thoughts?
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If the games are blow outs, I imagine that Dabo will put
Aug 22, 2022, 2:40 PM
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Johnson and Helms in the games.
If both are playing well, DJ will continue to start until there is a clear leader.
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So If Let's Say 1/2 of Each of the First 3 Games Are Non DJ
Aug 22, 2022, 2:51 PM
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for a total of 6 quarters would they spilt equally amongst Johnson, Helms and Cade?
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Re: So If Let's Say 1/2 of Each of the First 3 Games Are Non DJ
Aug 22, 2022, 3:03 PM
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I’ll go along with whatever Coach Swinney opts to do. He’s pretty good at making decisions on the football field.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 3:05 PM
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If DJ's QB1 and lighting teams up so well that the backup is in by half why would you mess with that? That's not a controversy, that's DJ playing like a QB1 and Cade playing like the next QB1.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 3:19 PM
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For argument's sake and hopefully, DJ comes out in top form leading the offense early to a blow out of Tech. Say we are up 30 - 3 or something at half. Does Cade come in for 2 quarters and let's say he performs and continues to blow the bees out badly?
Game 2 and 3 Fat Wife Furman and La Tech let's suppose the game is also well in hand by half time, does Cade keep playing and get same time as DJ even if DJ is playing well. Do we inadvertently create a QB question by playing well?
I know, good problem to have. Thoughts?
I cannot imagine Dabo ever pulling the starting QB at half, no matter the score. Never has & never will! Traditionally, Dabo plays starting QB at least until after the first series of the second half (even in massive blowouts). Sometimes, he does allow the 2nd string QB to come in for a series or two in 2nd quarter just to give him some exposure, but even that is extremely rare.
Also, in blowouts that continue to run up the score in the 2nd half with the 2nd string QB, Dabo normally replaces him in 4th quarter, & plays 3rd string QB (& sometimes progresses down until 4th string QB). Massive substitutions of other positions also occurs. Dabo normally doesn't like to embarrass other teams.
Since entire offense is under pressure because of last year's miserable performance, I believe Clemson coaches will want first string to gain as much experience playing together before massive substitutions occur in first couple of games. Fully expect Cade will see plenty of action in these games, but never closely matching DJ's playing time. Of course, if DJ clearly is not performing, we'll see Cade even sooner.
Just MHO!
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 3:40 PM
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^^^ Spot on ^^^
That said, I wish he wouldn't. I'd like to see more qb2 for a series or two with all the ones in the first half. I've always felt that way no matter who our 1 and 2 were.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 7:13 PM
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Are you forgetting what Dabo did with KB and TL? I think it was 2 or 3 series for KB and 2 or 3 for TB then go with whoever was producing. I’m not saying that’s is what he will do here - just saying he has rotated QBs before. I believe he did the right thing then and trust him to do the best thing now too.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 9:46 PM
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I think you pretty much nailed it. It has been sort of a pattern with Dabo as you have described.
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If the games are well in hand by half time then
Aug 22, 2022, 3:20 PM
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DJ is probably playing well. If that’s the case then he will probably retain the starting spot while we continue to get Cade more and more comfortable with D1 speed college football, with limited pressure on him. That’s good and I suspect Cade will be all in on this approach.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Lets assume DJ has made a lot of progress over the off season and the rest of the offense has also stepped up their game. Then we can assume Cade will get a lot of PT once the game is in hand. Much like the playing time DJ got behind TL16.
If some other scenario materializes we can discuss when it happens.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 4:50 PM
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My guess, and I'm not suggesting Dabo should take my advice. I trust him completely.
If any game is well in hand at halftime (30+ pt lead) I think the QB rotation will be:
1. DJ plays first series of 2nd half.
2. Cade plays from 2nd series to about halfway through 4th quarter.
3. One of the other two guys comes in for mop up duty.
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My sentiments exactly.***
Aug 22, 2022, 5:11 PM
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 5:22 PM
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Let's assume DJ plays like he played last year. Does the coaching staff continue to tell us that he's okay and good when he's obviously not?
Or do they put somebody in like they would a defensive tackle that's not playing well and replacing with somebody that's good like Cade or Hunter or Helms?
Clemson would have won the UGA game last year had they played Tyson and then maybe gone into the playoffs.
Why?
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 7:16 PM
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Who is Tyson? I think you’re lost.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 8:54 PM
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Our backup QB last year was in no way going to beat Georgia as is evidence by the lack of interest in him when he hit the Portal.
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That's not the dilemma I foresee ...
Aug 22, 2022, 5:22 PM
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I see Cade outplaying DJ within a few games in terms of mobility and accuracy. I see DJ has spoken to Dabo about his plans, and Dabo has told the media that DJ will graduate in Dec. 2022. The dilemma I see occurs if Dabo sticks with DJ, and DJ is not ready to go pro and wants to remain at Clemson as the starter next season. Then the fireworks would start. The QB room will not be big enough for both DJ and Cade in 2023. Cade will have a hundred suitors. So we'll see how it plays out.
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Re: That's not the dilemma I foresee ...
Aug 23, 2022, 3:00 PM
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They won’t risk the future of the program over DJ. I don’t know what his “plans” are, I can only speculate he thinks he will start for Clemson this year and graduate in December, then move on to the NFL. I only see him doing one of the three, and it’s graduating. Until proven otherwise, I stand by my opinion that if Cade doesn’t best out DJ this year he must not be very good. Hunter Johnson is here for a reason. Dabo won’t be caught again like he was last year.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 5:37 PM
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In past blowouts Dabo has given the starter one drive in the third quarter. Cade would probably come in at that point. I wouldn't expect more than a couple of big play calls at that time. Then in the forth they would give a drive or two to the rest of the lineup. If it's a tight game a couch tends to go very conservative and cling to the starter rather than take the risk of changing. By what we read the O.C. said he is is going to play Cade. That might be a hard call to make in a close game where the starter is not blundering. Intent and execution are not always the same.
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how about this delemma
Aug 22, 2022, 5:43 PM
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say dj isnt playing so swell then cade comes in and is only playing slightly better than he is..do we role with cade the rest of the year to get him valuable experience..or does dabo just say screw it and role with dj because he has more experience?
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Aug 22, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 22, 2022, 6:14 PM
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In Streeter’s comments today, it sounds like Cade will play early and often. Different skill set than DJ. More mobile in pocket. DJ better downhill runner. I think we could see situations where Cade’s skill set would be called on to move the chains. 3rd and long? Cade. 3rd and short? DJ.
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Re: Odd QB Dilemma Clemson May Face
Aug 23, 2022, 10:41 AM
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IF DJ is playing well, I think they will let him play most of the 3rd quarter in the earlier games.
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