Replies: 38
| visibility 1
|
Orange Blooded [2016]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 2756
Joined: 12/27/06
|
Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 6:49 PM
|
|
First off, 2 5 star no shows certainly didnt make the cookout better. Much needed DB Okudah missing really hurts. He, imo, is just as good as A.J. Terrell. Watch his highlights and see for yourself. He may have seriously injured someone on one of his big hits coming full speed from the FS spot. hardest hit i have ever seen in hs football. He says he will still visit. Sounds nice, but being in Texas and with Urban Meyer swinging through about every day, i'll believe when i see an official date. I know he had an illness in family so im not upset with the decision to stay home.
RB D'andre Swift did not make trip either but his circumstances are odd. Some rumor about him and his cousin being a package deal; wanted to bring cousin to cookout. supposedly we say no and he cancels. Not a big deal, however, the state of PA hasnt been recruited well since Danny Ford. Swift is #1 in PA so it sure would have been nice to get him on campus if only for the exposure we would recieve back in PA following his trip home. Depth-wise this isnt a problem. But, think pipe-lines, folks.
We MUST use our current success to broaden our recruiting in states where we are cold. Here are a few: MS, AR, KY, PA, AL, IL, IA, NJ, MD and MI. I want the last state the most.
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4659]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 6063
Joined: 10/20/15
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:02 PM
|
|
Negative Ned indeed. Smells like bird #### actually.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4341]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4968
Joined: 8/6/02
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:08 PM
|
|
U and tiger dug are why I visit Tigernet everyday. To learn or hear something i didn't know. Thank u for the info!
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4659]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 6063
Joined: 10/20/15
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:11 PM
|
|
Dug, look at us! And Morris, I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not, but I'll take it all the same!
|
|
|
|
|
Trainer [45]
TigerPulse: 70%
Posts: 121
Joined: 3/3/10
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:12 PM
|
|
Okudah ain't coming here unfort. It's an OU / OSU battle.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4659]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 6063
Joined: 10/20/15
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:19 PM
|
|
Perhaps not but it's all conjecture at this point. If the crystal ball predictions were always spot-on, CJ Spiller would have been a gator, right?
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [53786]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 43567
Joined: 11/17/03
|
THe fact that we could tell a talent like Swift," No", tells
Jul 23, 2016, 7:04 PM
|
|
me all I need to know as far as our recruiting goes.10 years ago, we would have said," Sure, bring your cousin, your aunt, your first grade teacher....but , please, come to the cookout".....
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [38427]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 33200
Joined: 7/28/11
|
Re: THe fact that we could tell a talent like Swift," No", tells
Jul 23, 2016, 8:41 PM
|
|
|
I'm not so sure we'd have told a 7 year old to come to our cookout , Spud . I don't care HOW doggone good he was at football .
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [53786]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 43567
Joined: 11/17/03
|
Is that who he wanted to bring?***
Jul 23, 2016, 8:44 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1123]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1102
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:08 PM
|
|
Penn was recruited well long before Danny
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2016]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 2756
Joined: 12/27/06
|
ok, why not since Danny, sir?***
Jul 23, 2016, 11:33 PM
|
|
nm
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [20945]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10175
Joined: 9/9/04
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:14 PM
|
|
You're not taking into account the level we're recruiting at these days.
First guy you mentioned had a family illness. I expect our coaches know if and when they're being yanked around. Taking nothing away from the kid and assuming he's being honest, family first. I trust our coaches and our recruiting. I also know that it's not going to make news if this was an excuse...because that's not our style.
2nd story, if true, is exactly the kind of thing we don't do. If you're worthy of a spot, you'll get it. I don't care who your friends or family are. See Gallman and Schuessler in the Nkemdiche fiasco. If you're not worthy of a spot, you won't have an offer. And every year as we get better, that only becomes more true. I don't know who his cousin is, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but we have elevated beyond needing to take no-names so we can land big names.
Bottom line, our coaches are among the best, if not the best, recruiters in the nation. You best believe they know what they're doing and not worry If a couple guys don't show at the cookout.
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10214]
TigerPulse: 74%
Posts: 18314
Joined: 2/20/09
|
ok mr. know it all lol lol this site cracks me up***
Jul 23, 2016, 7:58 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [20945]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10175
Joined: 9/9/04
|
Re: ok mr. know it all lol lol this site cracks me up***
Jul 23, 2016, 8:00 PM
|
|
You mad bro? What's wrong with what I said? You disagree our coaches know what they're doing in recruiting...or are you just still upset about that time I got you banned?
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [10214]
TigerPulse: 74%
Posts: 18314
Joined: 2/20/09
|
no just love bullies that are clueless***
Jul 23, 2016, 9:44 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7718]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7444
Joined: 1/10/16
|
Re: no just love bullies that are clueless***
Jul 24, 2016, 11:48 AM
|
|
You should refrain from calling anyone else clueless
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [20945]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10175
Joined: 9/9/04
|
Re: no just love bullies that are clueless***
Jul 24, 2016, 11:54 AM
|
|
I got him banned a couple months ago. I could make a post saying the sky is blue, and he's still gonna be bitter and disagree because I'm the one posting it.
I love it when folks say silly stuff, get called on it...perhaps even get banned temporarily for it and still can't man up and accept it. Happens a lot around here.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2016]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 2756
Joined: 12/27/06
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [20945]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10175
Joined: 9/9/04
|
Re: wow thanks for your criticism
Jul 24, 2016, 11:51 AM
|
|
Wasn't negative, was just a logical disagreement with what you said. Weren't you the one that was a self-proclaimed "Negative-Ned"...
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2016]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 2756
Joined: 12/27/06
|
oh yeah
Jul 24, 2016, 12:15 PM
|
|
i was joking bro
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [20945]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 10175
Joined: 9/9/04
|
Re: oh yeah
Jul 24, 2016, 12:41 PM
|
|
my bad, made an appt. to get my meter checked today.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2134]
TigerPulse: 97%
Posts: 1842
Joined: 1/24/14
|
There's a reason why most of those states aren't recruited..
Jul 23, 2016, 7:20 PM
|
|
Thats because they produce very few D1 athletes. Clemson doesn't have an exposure problem thats how you can go into Kansas a state very rarely if ever recruited by Clemson and come out with the top 2 prospects in the state with Kelly being a top DE in the country covet by a number of big time schools. Thats how you go into a state like Delaware and come out with a 5 star DT like Wilkins. Okudah is in the state of Texas one of the hardest states to get players from especially a team on the east coast. Has it been done, yes but it isn't easy, a lot of great programs you have to fly over to get from Texas to Clemson. Swift is a guy you recruit and take because he is a special player but he isn't a player that is needed (by Clemson). So if you get him great if not thats fine too because right know Clemson is fine with RB's and to me if you get Swift that could hurt with getting White the 5 star out of North Carolina who Clemson is really high on. Even without Swift and after Gallman leaves for the NFL you still have Feaster, Choice, Dye, Fuller and Richardson who is committed for this class. So thats 1-5 star and 4-4stars at RB so I think Clemson is fine. Clemson has a core group of states they get probably 90% of their talent from and thats South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida those are the state Clemson works and if you get highly touted guys outside that footprint you assess the talent and their interest and go from there. Clemson has a national brand now thanks to the hard work of Dabo and in turn Dabo and company go after a select group of young men and they work those young men as good as anyone then if need be you work your way out from there....
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3552]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2404
Joined: 8/19/11
|
Exactly.***
Jul 23, 2016, 7:47 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3552]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2404
Joined: 8/19/11
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:39 PM
|
|
It'll be a miracle if we can even get Okudah on campus sometime in the next 4 months. He's a pipe dream, at this point. And Swift isn't a priority, especially with Richardson already on board. Not to mention, we're already in good position with a handful of elite '18 backs.
SC, FL, GA, NC, TN, and VA will always take precedence, but that won't prevent us from identifying, pursuing, and landing players from different areas (Wilkins from CT, Kelly from KS, Smith from MD, Johnson from IA, etc.). You don't need a "pipeline" in a state 700 miles away to make that happen. This isn't a video game.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4504]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9112
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Are you serious about recruiting AK, KY and IA? There are
Jul 23, 2016, 7:46 PM
|
|
probably more D1 players in metro Miami than those states put together. Also we have a limited number of coaches recruiting and like any business you go where success is more likely. Also why is Urban in TX most days?
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2016]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 2756
Joined: 12/27/06
|
Can you see the future, sir?
Jul 24, 2016, 12:01 AM
|
|
I wouldnt believe you even if you said yes. Every year is different. I guess CT puts out 5 star DTs anually. They do not, but, if they do, #42 will put us in the game for them for years to come, i promise you. it may be 2020 the next time they do, but when they do, we are in the game automatically for a guy hundreds of miles away. its worth it. You exaggerate the meaning of pipeline. its simpler than that. all it takes is signing a player from an "odd" state when you can, allowing for the CU presence in the HS and amongst the community. Once you land a player of significance, theres your pipeline. Clemson football program is mentioned and lingers among underclassmen on team, coaches, parents, local hs alumni that still follow the hs football program.
With the acc network our recruiting is going to be near unstoppable. Luring players from TX, CO, OR, WAS or even VT will be more possible for recruits where Clemsons location is negative to them and their family. "You can watch your son every single game, from SC to CA." We have never had this national coverage advantage.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4659]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 6063
Joined: 10/20/15
|
Re: Can you see the future, sir?
Jul 24, 2016, 1:26 AM
|
|
This post was much better than your first but I respectfully disagree with you on a few points.
Want to know what the best "pipeline" is? WINNING. Winning games, staff and television exposure, all of which we have managed to excel at greatly over the last decade, are the best recruiting tools. Your mindset seems very pre-Internet-age when it comes to all of this. I'm a Clemson grad that was born, raised and still reside in NY state and these days, finding a game is as easy as typing letters in the address bar or opening an app, (i.e. Watch ESPN). I didn't hear about Clemson because of one guy that got recruited from my high school years before I graduated. I grew up watching them on TV! Young athletes see us on television, they recognize the brand, they know who Dabo is, they associate "we too deep", "WRU", and "all-in" with our program. Not because of boots on the local grounds but rather because of our staff, our success, our social media outlets / marketing, our relationships with television networks, etc. You cannot turn on a television or sports radio show these days, especially now, without hearing or seeing Clemson University. Period. Making it to the championship game, having the number one QB, the number one offensive line, ridiculous accolades amongst the rest of the staff, future-proof facilities, academics, on and on and on... All far more powerful than establishing "pipelines" in "odd" states. At least in today's age. Alabama hasn't been killing it in the recruiting game all these years because they have boots on the ground in North Dakota and Wyoming. Like Dabo said at media day on Friday, he doesn't focus on recruits as much as he focuses on his players, his performance & his staff... The rest all falls in line.
Look back at the top recruits out of Pennsylvania spanning the last decade, forever for that matter... 75% of them end up at Pitt, Notre Dame, or Penn State. And, on average, at least back to 2013, there are 7-9 four-star recruits out of PA. The rest are 3 stars and below, just being honest here.
Take Christian Wilkins for instance. He played at Suffield Academy, right? Suffield will probably never crank out the talent of, let's say, IMG. Our recruiting Christian helped their high school program more than it has ours. It's not that what you're saying doesn't make sense, it's just far less relevant in our technological age. Kids get their "news" from social media these days. And obviously they watch whatever is on television. The smaller programs, the less-successful programs, or those still building their foundations - those are the programs that still have to knock down doors and promise the world in person to leave an impact. We succeed and the recruits come to us. This is the first time, at least in my lifetime as a Clemson fan, that we have such magnetism and fortune where we're able to turn away 4-star guys that we used to beg for attention from. We are elite. Last year solidified it. Live in the moment and enjoy the fruits of all our hard work over the last several years!
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24800]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42555
Joined: 7/31/10
|
+1...***
Jul 25, 2016, 8:39 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Letterman [260]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 432
Joined: 2/12/99
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 7:55 PM
|
|
More like negative Nelly comments
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13360]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9886
Joined: 1/23/06
|
BEWM!***
Jul 23, 2016, 7:56 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [23112]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 19813
Joined: 1/15/11
|
Maybe you've been involved with too many pipes & lines ?
Jul 23, 2016, 8:00 PM
|
|
Clemson is at the point where they recruit who they want. Not addressing the issues with these 2 recruits that you speak of, but if a 4 or 5 star thinks that Clemson isn't for them,there's another 4 or 5 star thinking Clemson is FAMILY.
This isn't USuC. More superstar recruits than ever are wanting to visit Clemson.
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [23112]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 19813
Joined: 1/15/11
|
R U Squeal like a pig Ned?
Jul 23, 2016, 8:06 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4744]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2250
Joined: 11/19/12
|
Okudah lives in Texas.***
Jul 23, 2016, 10:21 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1st Rounder [645]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1009
Joined: 2/5/14
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 10:30 PM
|
|
Forget about Swift, he's a dawg or a nittany lion and turn your attention to Zamir White out of NC - he's the next Gurley out of NC.
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6662]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9535
Joined: 1/16/99
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 23, 2016, 10:53 PM
|
|
Just another driveby coot OP........truly has no clue what he is talking about.
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [20542]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 11687
Joined: 10/15/02
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 24, 2016, 2:52 AM
|
|
Okudah, no idea. Maybe a legit family illness, who knows.
As far as Swift...we wanted. Sorta. As a ATH/WR type. We didn't want him as a feature back...because, honestly, he ain't a feature back. Go look at the film. He's Zack Brooks 2.0. He's a pass-catcher, a space guy. He isn't going to be busting it between the tackles on the FBS level.
I really wouldn't sweat it. The bar on recruiting changes seemingly every year, all I can tell you is...Clemson's staff feels like they are recruiting, and getting, the very best this year. Which means what the All In Cookout was three years ago, may not be exactly what Dab & Staff are doing with it right now.
There is NOTHING awry with Clemson's recruiting right now, let's put it that way. We are in a Very Good Spot.
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7723]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5929
Joined: 12/14/15
|
It's good to look at it this way too
Jul 24, 2016, 4:57 AM
|
|
And I appreciate your points. Don't let the Coot-callers get to you. Remember, the one that yells coot first is the first coot.
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7718]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7444
Joined: 1/10/16
|
Re: Negative Ned All-In Cookout thoughts:
Jul 24, 2016, 11:49 AM
|
|
Hey look this Chicken posts another pathetic post. I am shocked /s
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15492]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 18413
Joined: 12/10/14
|
Okudah is a good kid from a good family
Jul 24, 2016, 10:09 PM
|
|
I think we have a real chance with him. He's in Texas but we got Xavier Kelly out of Kansas. I think we're in it with him. From what I've heard, he likes our 'style' and loves what he's seen on tv.
It also doesn't hurt that Hunter Johnson will be here.
|
|
|
|
Replies: 38
| visibility 1
|
|
|