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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 5:32 PM
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Six years + ago, my wife met another woman in a chat room. (Some type of parenting chat room women visit)
They ended up hitting it off and texting/chatting/talking on an almost daily basis. They ended up becoming fb friends when my wife created a Facebook, some time later the woman sent me a friend request and I accepted.
Fast forward a couple years later, I posted some kind of article about Muslims (in my opinion it wasn't anything bad) on my Facebook page. My wife shortly after got a message from the woman asking "how does your husband feel about Muslims, because I am Muslim?"
Up to that point, our religious beliefs had never come up. My wife and her had never talked religion. They had talked parenting, about their husbands, home life etc. (Things women talk about)
I post this because my wife and her had become very good friends over a period of two years or so.
My stubbornness and my views of all Muslims= Bad came into question. (I've been around Muslims pretty much all my life but had actually never gotten to know any) Here was a woman that had become good friends with my wife, they cried the same, they laughed the same, faced the same trials with her kids and husband as my wife had faced.
We have all since met, (they're in Florida and were in Horry, SC) they came to Myrtle Beach the summer of 14 and we all hung out for quite some time. My little boys fell in love with their daughters and vice versa. My wife and her still talk on an almost daily basis and her husband and I talk every few weeks or so.
I post this because I want all to realize that not all Muslims are bad people, the overwhelming majority are just like you and me.
Does that mean we don't remain vigilant? Of course not. Of course, I try to remain vigilant and watch for strange behaviors no matter race, religion or whatever. 
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Clemson Icon [24245]
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Nice post. Real life experience helps cure baseless fear and hatred.***
Nov 17, 2015, 5:53 PM
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Game Day Hero [4368]
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Ask them why as a community they don't condemn
Nov 17, 2015, 7:13 PM
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And root out the perpetrators and the actions of their radical brothers in Islam?
Did you condemn the acts of Dylan Roof?
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: Ask them why as a community they don't condemn
Nov 17, 2015, 7:25 PM
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I did condemn his actions but I didn't announce it on tv.
And most of us didn't condemn his actions on national tv, radio or whatever.
Point being, they condemn that crap too. But what can they do?
Not much more than what we can do when one of "ours" decides to shoot up a church, school or whatever.
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Game Day Hero [4368]
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You and many of us without a public forum condemn Roof's
Nov 17, 2015, 7:41 PM
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actions privately and socially. Our leaders and those with a public voice decried his actions, and those of others that have acted in such an evil and deranged manner before him IN EVERY INSTANCE, reinforcing our belief system and exhibiting solidarity with the victims.
The Muslim community? Still waiting.
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: Maybe you just don't pay attention when they do?
Nov 17, 2015, 7:53 PM
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Exactly.
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You realize you made Ford post? You should pay attention.
Nov 18, 2015, 8:24 AM
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The media is intentionally manipulating you to hide the public Muslim condemnation.
Not to mention, those that are still over there cannot openly condemn ISIS, or they will be killed.
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Game Day Hero [4368]
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Wow, that's rich Krzy. Media promoting a conservative
Nov 18, 2015, 9:46 AM
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agenda?
The link may not be the most representative, but the sentiment could not be more real and prolific.
Do you not recall the celebration in the Muslim community in nearly every Islam-centric country and beyond?
You may have been a pup at the time.
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Clemson Icon [24245]
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Your perception is wrong. Even Hezbollah condemned 9/11.
Nov 18, 2015, 1:07 PM
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And they are a friggin terrorist group.
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 7:14 PM
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does this mean the Tnet holy war has ended?, cause honestly I am tired of the usual lot linking every piece of hate filled nonsense about Mulsims and half the board getting into a tissy. it all seems a convenient distraction from the real problems in this country.
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 7:21 PM
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You'll have to ask cdef, dareal, Chestie and the others. I'm not sure
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 7:27 PM
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It is getting ridiculous in here. We got a bunch of parrots lecturing us what Hannity said the night before.
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 7:29 PM
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You don't watch that guy do you? I swear that dude is some type of robot or something.
I've watched him probably twice and all I remember is hearing the same talking points over and over.
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TigerNet HOFer [122051]
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 7:32 PM
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I dont even have cable, just ESPN via comcast and HBO on demand
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the "silent majority" is irrelevent***
Nov 17, 2015, 8:25 PM
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The silence of the majority is deafening.***
Nov 17, 2015, 9:28 PM
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The Westernization of some...
Nov 17, 2015, 9:00 PM
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is the reason the rest are up in arms. Any child that is taught from their literature has the potential to become one who destroys your life and the lives of your family.
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TigerNet HOFer [122051]
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Re: The Westernization of some...
Nov 17, 2015, 9:07 PM
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I imagine living under a brutal dictator and seeing members of your family blown up as collateral damage would go a long way in "radicalizing" a person.
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Re: The Westernization of some...
Nov 17, 2015, 9:15 PM
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You are worthless balm. If you hate America and our actions so much, join the movement.
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TigerNet HOFer [122051]
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Re: The Westernization of some...
Nov 17, 2015, 9:26 PM
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seems to me that you are the angry one. I have raveled the world enough to know that I love this country and all it has to offer. What I do not like about it how easily manipulated some people are by hardliners using fear tactics to control the masses. Only one of us is immune to that.
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Game Day Hero [4368]
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Balm, the irony of your post is striking. I submit
Nov 18, 2015, 4:16 AM
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that you are the one being manipulated and controlled. Many of us "hardliners" consider Hannity and Limbaugh conspiritist ratings hoars, not unlike that bastion of truth Rachel Maddow.
I, however, prefer to look at facts, actions and real outcomes to determine my position on such matters. I am an independent, with no party affiliation. If I lean toward any party, it would be libertarian, however I firmly believe we have a leadership role to play in the world. I acknowledge we have enemies that are real threats to our ideology and way of life. I expect our leaders to protect this way of life that nearly 3 million of our brothers have laid down their lives to enable and preserve. And in this case, it means taking the fight to them, and protecting our home field with an abundance of caution. The thoughtful are not angry, just cautious and wise.
You, on the other hand, are a card-carrying, flag waiving mouthpiece for the progressive cause. Your position on nearly every issue comes straight from the liberal agenda playbook. I struggle to recall a single example of you calling an audible against that playbook.
Not an attack, just an observation.
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 17, 2015, 9:14 PM
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No baseless hatred here. It's real. Until I start hearing more denounce the attacks and start to make a difference, their religion being on trial has great merit and should.
You can pull a few articles here and there, but until they make changes in their own ranks, I will fear and that fear will be real. I will be angry and that anger is real.
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 18, 2015, 1:42 PM
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> Until I start hearing more denounce the attacks and start to make a difference, their religion being on trial has great merit and should.
People are denouncing it... what do you want the people in that area to do? Speak up and get beheaded? I'm sure you would be so brave...
Where is your outrage in the media when some nutjob christian blows up a building or abortion clinic?
I never heard you complain... you must be a supporter! See how dumb that sounds?
> You can pull a few articles here and there, but until they make changes in their own ranks, I will fear and that fear will be real. I will be angry and that anger is real.
"You can use facts and evidence" and I still won't listen is what you really mean.
Also, there is no doubt you are angry. The GOP is an angry seething group and you can see it with everything they do. "Get Our Pitchforks" should be the new slogan.
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 18, 2015, 4:27 PM
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On the first part, we agree. I try to put myself in their shoes. Would I stand up, would you stand up if we were in the middle of that ####? More than likely, we wouldn't. I don't want my head chopped off for standing up against it.
We see articles all the time about people being beheaded simply because they pointed out the lack of equality in Mulsim countries.
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Not sure what your past has to with the current situation
Nov 18, 2015, 12:00 AM
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People don't have a problem with resettlement of Syrian refugees because they don't think Muslims are people like you and me. They have a problem because it's almost impossible to tell who's a friend and who's an enemy over there, and because we know that ISIS is trying infiltrate the refugees.
Beyond that, there's the question of whether importing a culture that may not be compatible with our political and social ideas is wise.
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: Not sure what your past has to with the current situation
Nov 18, 2015, 4:50 AM
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My post has nothing to do with Syrian refugees, I'm concerned about bringing thousands of people over to the U.S. as well.
I'd think most people would get the meaning of the OP. Don't throw out all Muslims because of the actions of a few.
And to the poster that said "not to trust your friends," that goes for almost anyone from any background when it comes down to it.
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Who wants to throw out all Muslims?
Nov 18, 2015, 4:40 PM
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I've never heard anybody say something like that. I've heard people say (and I don't entirely disagree) that Islam is a problem for western civilization, but that doesn't mean Muslims are bad people.
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Gridiron Giant [15558]
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Re: My Learning Experience about Muslims
Nov 18, 2015, 7:45 AM
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I think most people missed the main point of the OP.
Would I and my wife gotten to know her friend if we'd known she was a Muslim beforehand? Probably not. I probably wouldn't have encouraged my wife to stay away from her.
Why? Because of the same fear many of you guys have.
I know it's common to have those fears with all the #### going on around the world, I'm not saying to go befriend Muslims, just don't throw em all out just as we don't judge all Christians, all Buddhists, all atheists by the actions of a few.
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Unfortunately there are people who WANT to believe in the
Nov 18, 2015, 1:16 PM
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boogeyman. I used to be one of them.
People are much more comfortable if they can reduce things to black and white. It actually helps some people reinforce their own beliefs by being able to confirm that opposing beliefs are "evil."
Either way, as someone who has always been interested in international conflict, military history, military intelligence, and pretty much all related topics, I found that I was actually inclined to believe a certain group was "bad" or a certain war was morally justified, simply so i could feel better about hoping for a conflict.
Eventually I had to come to grips with the fact that I am simply interested, and I quit trying to justify it morally. It is what it is. People are always going to kill each other. And it interests me when large organized groups go at it. It helped me become a better analyst to de-moralize everything.
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