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Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season.
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Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season.

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Oct 20, 2025, 11:59 PM
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I've heard some speculation as to what changes he might make.

Here is one I think he should (and probably will) do.

Give Tom Allen to hire and fire any coaches on the defensive staff he desires. (Of course, Dabo should meet with the coach and approve him, but he should not be involved in the search or make any suggestions at all. "Tom, who do you want to hire. Bring him in and let me talk to him for 30 minutes and unless something egregious comes up, he's hired.")

Note: That is essentially what Bobby Bowden did after he hired Mickey Andrews. (And, I suspect that is what Dabo did when he hired BV.) Whenever Bobby was asked about the defense he would say something like, "I ain't worried about the defense, Mickey will have them ready." Or words to that effect.

One I'm not as sure about but it might happen. Change the OC. For whatever reason, it ain't working as good as it should. Lotta folks will blame Dabo, others will blame the position coaches, others will blame Riley, others will blame lack of talent of the players. Me? I have no idea. But, that's not my job. That job (identify the problem and correct it) is Dabo's. That's why he gets the big bucks.

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Oct 21, 2025, 12:10 AM
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OC replacement should get the same option of staff. 🤷

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Oct 21, 2025, 12:13 AM
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Also, time to scrap the "Clemson offense" that we were told Riley would run. It's just not working.

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Oct 21, 2025, 12:35 AM
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Riley nor his offense is working!!! Riley should go for sure, and Tom Allen and his son should only have next season to get our D back in the top 25, if not both the Allen's should be unemployed...

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Oct 21, 2025, 4:14 AM
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When you have 10 safeties and they are all slow and probably couldn’t play at any other power 4 school that’s a problem. Allen doesn’t have much to play with on the field. You have to have dogs on D to be top 25 and we don’t have them to play.

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Oct 21, 2025, 10:23 AM
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exactly, Dabo has mismanaged the roster so poorly that we are loaded with kids that cant play at this level. Posters like mike4tigers like to brag on roster retention but the fact is that these kids cant go anywhere else because they arent good enough . Dabo will never give allen permission to fire anyone because that would put Conn out of a job. He will do what he always does, fire Riley and hire another yes man that will become the latest coordinator to fail under DABO. We have one of the least talented rosters in the ACC thanks to DABO and until he corrects that we will remain as a team that cant beat P4 teams at home and be a lower tier ACC team.

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I disagree on talent.


Oct 21, 2025, 10:30 AM
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I think there is plenty of talent on the roster at every position group on the offense and also on the defensive line. I agree the talent at LB and DB is not at the excellent, much less elite, level.

I think they problem is in the coaching. For whatever reason the players are not, as a whole, playing even close to their potential. There could be a lot of reasons for that, but all would eventually come back to coaching. (development, game planning, execution, etc.)

Regardless, it's Dabo's job to indentify the problems and correct them. That's why he gets the big bucks.

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Oct 21, 2025, 10:36 AM [ in reply to Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season. ]
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Chad Morris had an instant impact on the offense from day one. That's what I expected from Riley but for some reason it hasn't happened.

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Oct 21, 2025, 6:18 AM [ in reply to Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season. ]
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Maybe worry about your FSU backyard instead 👍

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I could start 10 threads on the problems with FSU.

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:00 AM
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But, this is a Clemson board, y'all don't want to hear about our problems.

I'll say two things.
1. The fans are irate, ticked off, mad and grabbing their pitch forks over the decision not to fire Norvell.

2. I'm totally bumbuzzled by the decision. Essentially the message was loud and clear: We're not firing Norvell in the middle of the season, but the day after the Florida game he's gone.

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:10 AM [ in reply to Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season. ]
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BretFSU is one of the best posters on this board. I’d refrain from casting aspersions.

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:15 AM
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maybe

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:41 AM
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No 'maybe' about it.

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:18 AM [ in reply to Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season. ]
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Sam, you should just climb back under your rock or Dabo’s skirt - nothing wrong with BrettFSU ..your ol’ folks home should limit your internet time ..

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Sam, for the record....


Oct 21, 2025, 10:34 AM [ in reply to Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season. ]
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... I took your post as a good-natured jab. I assure you, as mad and ticked off as Clemson fans are about this season you can keep telling yourself, "Well, at least we aren't FSU."

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Oct 21, 2025, 7:21 PM [ in reply to Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season. ]
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SamTate said:

Maybe worry about your FSU backyard instead 👍


Absolutely not!!! BretFSU has been one of the great ones on tigernet... save your vitriol for the people like TennesseeVol....

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Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season.

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Oct 21, 2025, 12:26 AM
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The main problem on offense is that we cannot count on the offensive line to block on running plays. It is embarrassing. I just don’t think the O-line coach has had the kind of impact we thought he would have.

I’m real curious how much of the offense Riley has actually been able to create. Dabo was never an OC, but we know he has interfered with playcalling in the past. Is he still doing it?

That being said, some of the play designs just make no sense. It’s like they don’t really think about what it looks like to the defense. We don’t seem to fool too many teams. In addition to that, we don’t think through who should actually be on the field for whatever play they call. It is nice to think that players are all interchangeable parts, but that is not the case.

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our offensive line makes average defensive lines from other teams look elite

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Oct 21, 2025, 10:38 AM
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most of the defensive lines' we've played against have been pummeled by other teams but not ours. and our defensive line that was supposed to be great this year look average to weak.

That's the hard part about this year. We don't have one area that I could say is "the best" part of the team. I guess maybe receivers are the bright spot but even they can look average at times. Defensive backfield is probably the worst area this year. They just can't make plays at all. Nobody has any instinct or above average ability about them. I guess Terrell is good but they just don't throw at him b/c why would you. There is always a tight end or a crossing route that is wide open somewhere. Nobody is going to hit you over the middle so those receivers are licking their chops when they play us.

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Re:Hey T-Net,


Oct 21, 2025, 12:28 AM
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What coaches do you think will end up in the unemployment line at the end of the season?

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Think thats biggest issue that needs to be addressed bretfsu

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Oct 21, 2025, 1:03 AM
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Is we hired 2 outside coordinators but kept the surrounding pieces (position coaches) intact. In case of Riley, how much of the offensive issues is Riley & his playcalling vs being stuck w/ existing staff & playbook (i.e. - not having choice in his staff or freedom to run his plays). If Riley is let go after the season & the existing staff stays in place, all that is doing is scapegoating Riley.

Ultimately, whoever the OC & DC are for 2026, they need to have ability to bring in who they want or have a say in changes.

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Re: Think thats biggest issue that needs to be addressed bretfsu

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Oct 21, 2025, 1:05 AM
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exactly what happened to Streeter..... 🤣

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Oct 21, 2025, 4:16 AM
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Conn and Spiller should be the first two out the door. Conn’s safeties are terrible and Soiller can’t recruit.

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Oct 21, 2025, 4:17 AM
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Conn and Spiller should be the first two out the door. Conn’s safeties are terrible and Soiller can’t recruit.


Spiller

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Im all for the OC & DC hiring/firing their OWN staff..

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Oct 21, 2025, 5:31 AM
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Along with several other changes Dabo must do that handcuff the coordinators.
They need free rein to acquire talent however they see fit. The talent they’re working with just isn’t there. Just one example…..in no world should Cole Turner see more snaps than Tristan Smith I don’t care if they play the same WR position or not.

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Unfortunately, that is Dabo's LOYALTY. Same reason Denhoff gets so many snaps.***

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Oct 21, 2025, 6:33 AM
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Re: Unfortunately, that is Dabo's LOYALTY. Same reason Denhoff gets so many snaps.***


Oct 21, 2025, 9:35 AM
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Denhoff gets snaps because we have no one else. Our DE recruiting has become a joke.

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No, when BV took over the staff was in place and all replacements were Dabo's...

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Oct 21, 2025, 6:08 AM
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with your 30 minutes given to BV. I believe Mike Reed was the first on field replacement after BV was in place when Harbison left for Auburn.

Big Dan Brooks, Marion Hobby & Harbison were already on staff, BV adopted them.

Also, and for giggles, when BV arrived his Co-DC was Marion Hobby. Hobby had been hired away from Duke & Cutcliffe where he served as their DL/DC with Jim Knowles, S/DC.

https://clemsontigers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/roster_num.pdf

That's one of my all-time most favorites for many reasons.

Dabo may change, yo no se, not concerned with it if force ranking importance, but his reasoning was he didn't want to be saddled with other people's hires should he have to fire a Coordinator or have one leave for another job & not take their people with them.




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Re: No, when BV took over the staff was in place and all replacements were Dabo's...

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:49 AM
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People forget what a great DL coach Dan Brooks was for us. Maybe the best we ever had. That was a strong defensive staff with BV coaching LBs. There was no need for BV to make any changes.

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Big Dan Brooks is my 2nd favorite coach ever & ever is a really long time...***

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Re: No, when BV took over the staff was in place and all replacements were Dabo's...


Oct 21, 2025, 9:38 AM [ in reply to Re: No, when BV took over the staff was in place and all replacements were Dabo's... ]
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No maybe about it. He was one of the College Football greats, not just Clemson greats.

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Why does Allen get to pick and choose his staff by Riley doesn't?***


Oct 21, 2025, 6:42 AM
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Re: Let's speculate on what Dabo will do after the season.


Oct 21, 2025, 8:13 AM
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Well, he “should” flush out the many friends and family and adapt to todays game. Will he, probably not ..

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Many hope for a great reset

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Oct 21, 2025, 8:34 AM
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A purge of key higher staff and the friends and family plans. A staff reduction of 25% probably should be done also.

My guess... probably one coordinator and a couple of assistant coaches will be asked to leave. Nothing major. I would wager that the staff will continue to grow. We'll have more staff than players.

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I'll give it a go . . . .


Oct 21, 2025, 9:55 AM
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Go to Boca Grande (or is it the panhandle ?) - pile up on the beach . . . . and count the contents of that sweet, sweet bag . . . . that's what I would do.

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Brad Brownell: Only Larry freaking Shyatt has a WORSE overall winning percentage among Clemson basketball coaches since 1975. Let that sink in. It's Larry Shyatt & then Brad Brownell.


Re: I'll give it a go . . . .


Oct 21, 2025, 10:02 AM
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Beat me to it. I was just about to post something similar.

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Re: I'll give it a go . . . .


Oct 21, 2025, 8:19 PM [ in reply to I'll give it a go . . . . ]
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I'll go to Boca Grande, I only live about 30 minutes away :)

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This will sound like waffling...


Oct 21, 2025, 10:16 AM
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but I think it goes one of two ways, depending on the results the rest of the year.

IF we somehow make a bowl I think he'll tinker around the edges... maybe change out a position coach or two, and more or less keep things the way they are now. Some portal play, but more of the same and hope the team next year gels with another year of development.

If we DON'T make a bowl I think he'll be forced (more by ego than anything external) to make more sweeping changes. I would expect a lot of position coach turnover, with letting Riley/Allen suggest guys they know, or picking up known commodities given the coaching carousel this year will be an EF5 going through a trailer park. Even if it's a guy who you think can just come in for a year or two before he's off again there may be some gems out there for the picking. And at 5 wins on the year Dabo would have every reason to go shopping.

Furthermore, much more portal play. And that also includes, and Dabo will absolutely hate this, but trimming the fat that's on this roster. A lot of the guys here either were mis-evals or they are not playing anywhere near what we were told their potential was. Some of these guys need to be told to hit the portal so we have room to bring in better guys. I wouldn't expect a TON of that, but you'll only need to do it a few places and hopefully it will shake up the rest of the team and send the message 'If you don't perform, you're outta here.'.

*shrugs*
That's my guess, but that and $1.20 will get you a cup of coffee.

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Where can you get a cup of coffee for $1.20?


Oct 21, 2025, 10:37 AM
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Not where I live, in central Florida.

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LOL...


Oct 21, 2025, 10:47 AM
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well maybe if you get it in your kitchen?

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Oct 21, 2025, 10:40 AM
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Just curious, what do you think your dumpster fire should do after the season?

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Great question.


Oct 21, 2025, 11:05 AM
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I have no idea. Some folks are saying that we should be the leader (or one of them) in going to an NFL model. (Stanford is essentially doing this.)

1. Hire a general manager. The HC answers to the GM.
2. The GM has a staff that is in charge of the roster - scouting, evaluation, retention, salaries (including the NIL portion that collectives pay).
3. The HC can have as much or as little input as the GM allows, but it is the GMs job to make the decisions on all things roster.
4. The HC builds his staff.
5. The coaches coach. They take the roster given to them (with some input) develop them and go out and win games.
6. Pay a coach an incentive laden contract. Something along the lines of 2M base pay plus 400K for each win, 500K for winning the conference, 500K for making the playoffs, 500K for each playoff win.

All that sounds great. In the NFL head coaches don't make 10 times as much money as the starting QB. NFL head coaches don't have 8 year contracts with guaranteed buyouts. But, the problem is, unless every school adopts this model it won't work. As long as two schools are willing to get into a bidding war to hire a coach, then huge contracts with huge buyouts will continue. (Cignetti just got one, Kiffin will soon get one. Lea, Vandy, will probably get one either from Vandy or someone else.)

So, you asked what I think they should do.

1. They should have held a press conference on Sunday firing Norvell.
2. They should have been talking to agents of several candidates for the past month asking, "Just in case we have to make a change, who might be interested and what would it cost..."

The problem is, I know nothing. The decision is all dependent on money. How much money will it coat if we fire him? Can we afford it? How much money will it cost if we don't fire him? Can we afford not to fire him? How much money in season ticket sales, booster contributions, etc. will we lose if we don't fire him? We're trying to get out of ACC and into P2. If we stink for another year or two, how will that affect our chances? If we stink for another year or two how will that affect our TV ratings, and hence the money we get from ACC.

Given they could work the money out and decide to go full bore my short list of candiates would include Franklin, Lea, Brohm, Lashlee. I would at least call them to see if any would be interested.

The fans will go beserk, but we may end up going the G5 route - Golesh (USF), Sumrall (Tulane) or someone else like that.

Other names I've heard (besdies Kiffin who I don't think is realistic) are Dillingham (AZ ST) and Jedd Fisch (Washington).

Sorry, I rambled and never really answered your question.

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Oct 21, 2025, 10:42 AM
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I don’t believe Dabo will let one of the coordinators hire their own guys. He’s never done that before. And it seems so off brand for him.

Riley seems gone.
Spiller and Conn make sense.
Eason and Reed should be gone, but I doubt it.

He’s fired coaches in recent memory. Streeter, Austin, Hall, Goodwin. Firing more coaches isn’t going to turn the program around though.

Flipping the roster is our best chance. Dabo simply has to cut players. If you have been in the program for 2+ years, with zero meaningful contributions, you have to go. I can name several.

Jarvis Green
Ian Reed
Dietrick Pennington
Watson Young
Markus Dixon
Caden Story
Hevin Shuler
Dee Crayton
Myles Oliver
Kylen Webb
Rob Billings
Robert Gunn

College football has become a professional sport. We can’t have players on the roster that do not contribute. They have to be cut and replaced by transfers that can have an immediate impact. It would ratchet up competition at every position, forcing players to compete for their jobs.

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