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Varsity [104]
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Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:19 AM
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is optional in a traffic stop?
Who thinks stopping in the road, jumping out of your vehicle and ignoring instructions of a police officer is optional?
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Paw Warrior [4647]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:28 AM
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No one messes with me when I'm putting around on my moped. That's all I know.
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Hall of Famer [8600]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:31 AM
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Not optional. There is a reason they ask those things - it’s for you and their safety. Too many nutjobs out there.
BUT some officers could learn how to deescalate situations.
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Orange Blooded [2343]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:39 AM
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Deescalation should be the first move, not to let your ego get bruised and drag someone out of their car.
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1st Rounder [669]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:53 AM
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Or how about obey the traffic laws and don’t run the risk of getting pulled over, but if you must, don’t have a poor attitude to go along with it.
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Game Changer [1992]
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He tired ti do that. Th acted like an ahold and idiot
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:10 AM
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My dad’s leg was destroyed by someone as a cop when he was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and never should have. Have respect, you broke the law be nice, it will only be easier for you. Period, full stop , the end. It’s very dang ours for cops when you are on your car and won’t follow instructions.
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Valley Legend [13005]
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Re: He tired ti do that. Th acted like an ahold and idiot
Sep 10, 2024, 10:20 AM
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My dad’s leg was destroyed by someone as a cop when he was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and never should have. Have respect, you broke the law be nice, it will only be easier for you. Period, full stop , the end. It’s very dang ours for cops when you are on your car and won’t follow instructions.
Deciding if a law was actually broken is decided in court.
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Solid Orange [1357]
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Ultimate Tiger [33769]
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Orange Blooded [2479]
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Re: He was pulled for speeding driving like a bad out of h e l l
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:51 AM
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Driving at a "high speed through a congested area" and Hill "did not want to comply" when asked to roll down his window. Hill was very verbally combative which audio didn’t pick up.
Yep. Police are guilty again. SMH
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Hall of Famer [8412]
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Re: He was pulled for speeding driving like a bad out of h e l l
Sep 10, 2024, 10:18 AM
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Why is Hill being "verbally combative" the one thing that didn't get picked up on the audio/video?
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Orange Blooded [2343]
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Re: here we go again.. It's all on the cops..
Sep 10, 2024, 10:03 AM
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It’s not all on the cop. Tyreek Hill is just as guilty, but the cop should’ve been the one to deescalate the situation since it’s his job.
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Trainer [-92]
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:40 AM
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the criminal breaking the law is the victim.
this would have been a simple traffic fine with zero escalation if the driver didn't think himself above every one else.
100%!!!
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National Champion [7913]
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So, I guess that if the offender is an entitled idiot who is #### bent on
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:21 AM
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raising a ruckus and resisting law enforcement just because they ain't got time for police, then you just let them go, right? Or you let them tie up officer resources for hours waiting for the idiot to calm down and comply with the lawful traffic stop?
FFFEFF that bullshyatt. Hill brought every #### bit of that on himself. The interweb is full of other like-minded idiots playing the same stupid game and winning the same stupid prize. Only difference they aren't WR1 ON THEIR WAY TO THE STADIUM (holy crap what an moron!!!).
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Athletic Dir [1113]
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Game Changer [1963]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 4:41 PM
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I can’t imagine being in law enforcement. Got a friend who is highway patrol. Gets a ton of crap from upstairs - they all do. Nothing good enough. Then go on road solo and risk their life? For 45000?
Remember when school teachers were treated like servants? No you cant take a personal day before holiday. No - you must dress professionally- all on a crap salary. Buy your kids’ supplies from personal funds.
Today’s teachers have certainly changed.
Law enforcement not worth it. We better figure it out. Soon.
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110%er [3766]
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FAFO
Sep 10, 2024, 8:34 AM
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Ride the lightening if you are lucky, or meet your maker. Either one it's a FAFO kind of situation.
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Orange Beast [6161]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Letting anger cloud your better judgement.
Hill was angry because he was stopped and the officer who dragged him out of the car was angry he didn’t reply.
Dark tint on the window prevents the officers from seeing what he’s doing in the car. That’s how policemen get killed.
Just wrong all around in my opinion.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:13 AM
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It's jot wrong all around. Hill was 100% at fault.
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Ring of Honor [21095]
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I believe in calmness and answering only what I am lawfully required
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:51 AM
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to answer, remembering the Police work for the citizens and not the other way around.
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TigerNet Elite [71854]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:51 AM
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They are entitled... and rich. Rules shouldn't apply to them.
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Team Captain [452]
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Comply with the police officers and lose the attitude
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Sep 10, 2024, 8:57 AM
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And this entire situation most likely would have been avoided. And ya wonder why…..
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Clemson Conqueror [11249]
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To properly set the scene, I'm a 60 year ld white guy who drives an F-150.
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:08 AM
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I was recently stopped on my way to work, I work for a school district and had my district badge on a lanyard around my neck. When the officer approached the truck I had both hands clearly visible on top of the steering wheel. I handed him my license and my CCP. I informed him that I did not have my firearm with me at the time. When he asked for my registration and insurance, I informed him I would need to reach into the glove compartment to retrieve them. I moved slowly and deliberately so as not to give any appearance of being a threat. I treated and was treated with respect. I drove away with a warning.
Police interact with people all day. At any given time an interaction can lead to a situation that threatens their life. They exist for our protection. Treat them they way you would want someone treating your son or daughter if they were police officers and you will be fine.
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Orange Blooded [2374]
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Re: To properly set the scene, I'm a 60 year ld white guy who drives an F-150.
Sep 10, 2024, 10:32 AM
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When the officer approached the truck I had both hands clearly visible on top of the steering wheel. I handed him my license and my CCP. I informed him that I did not have my firearm with me at the time. When he asked for my registration and insurance, I informed him I would need to reach into the glove compartment to retrieve them. I moved slowly and deliberately so as not to give any appearance of being a threat. I treated and was treated with respect.
Words of wisdom...I would add also to lower all the windows in the vehicle.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 8:59 AM
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Well the sports pundits on espn are already making it a race thing. Could the situation have been handled better..sure but he wasn’t falling orders so let’s blame race on this ordeal because that’s got to be the only reason he was treated that way…..
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Ultimate Tiger [35126]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 9:01 AM
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So Hispanics are racist against black athletes?
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Orange Phenom [14614]
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There's no reason they can't be
Sep 10, 2024, 10:57 AM
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I'm not saying they are, but it would be foolish to assume Hispanics can't be racist.
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Ultimate Tiger [35126]
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Re: There's no reason they can't be
Sep 10, 2024, 11:26 AM
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I was not replying to you.
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Playmaker [379]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:06 AM
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Hands at 10 & 2 on the wheel and window down when being approached by an officer. And if at night, interior light on. Anyone that doesn't know that doesn't have any sense...
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CU Medallion [19890]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Actually it’s hands on the rolled down window frame. Holding lisc, insurance card, and concealed carry permit with interior lights on. Officer cat see hands on wheel until far too late.
Message was edited by: OneJedi®
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Campus Hero [13648]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:52 AM
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The police officers I’ve talked to about, “what do I do if I’m pulled over”?
Unanimously said, “Roll the window down, hands on the wheel and do nothing”.
They all said, you are being watched from the instant you are being pulled cover. If you are going to the glove compartment, moving around to get your wallet/purse. Any extra moving around at all……they called it “furtive movement”……and it makes them very nervous.
If they want your license, they’ll ask for it……it’s helpful to point to where it is and to move slowly to get it. Same with insurance.
IMPORTANT LIFE RULE TO REMEMBER: You can not win a one on one argument with anyone that has a gun and a badge.
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Playmaker [379]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 10:37 AM
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Yep, my buddy was a cop and he says the same thing, don't get anything out until they ask for. But the above poster brings up a separate point and that is if you are carrying a concealed weapon and have a permit you are supposed to disclose that when approached. But keep those hands on the wheel and await further instructions...
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CU Guru [1560]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Depends upon the color of your skin.
Who are you referring to?
If WR Hill. He did not jump out.
He was wrong to roll up window all the way.
Cops were wrong to escalate so quickly.
Many cops are high school cowboys. All amped up and ready to jump. The sad part is the fraternity immediately protects and supports the bad apples.
Cops need new tactics. And they need to be careful.
They do have a dangerous job when compared to average job. But there are at least 21 other professions that are deemed to be more dangerous than being a cop.
How dangerous is it to be a police officer? Working as a police officer is about 4.1 times as dangerous compared with the average job nationwide, based upon the workplace fatality rate. Police officers have a workplace fatality rate similar to maintenance workers, construction workers, and heavy vehicle mechanics.
https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 10:15 AM
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No, Hill was just wrong.
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Commissioner [1228]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:27 AM
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I believe both the Tyreek and the officer handled the situation poorly. Could the officer's actions been influenced by Hill's lack of obeying commands, absolutely. Neither one made the situation better. I understand why the officer has been placed on administrative leave. But had Tyreek obeyed the commands perhaps none of this would have been talked about. Just follow the commands of the police when getting pulled over.
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TigerNet Champion [121411]
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I am not sure who goes hopping around during a traffic stop
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:35 AM
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The only thing you have to do at a traffic stop is crack your window hand over your license, insurance, and registration and be polite. SO no, I do not have to follow their orders, if they even have to ask, the answer is no.
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Clemson Icon [26102]
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Re: I am not sure who goes hopping around during a traffic stop
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Sep 30, 2025, 9:51 AM
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Police have the right to require occupants to exit the vehicle, submit to sobriety tests, etc. Is part of the implied consent when accepting a license, which has been affirmed by courts. The sovcit take on this is wrong. Someone following your advice could land in jail. Your car is not your house, it is not a 'personal conveyance', and your license does not belong to you.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: I am not sure who goes hopping around during a traffic stop
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Sep 10, 2024, 11:08 AM
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Police have the right to require occupants to exit the vehicle, submit to sobriety tests, etc. Is part of the implied consent when accepting a license, which has been affirmed by courts. The sovcit take on this is wrong. Someone following your advice could land in jail. Your car is not your house, it is not a 'personal conveyance', and your license does not belong to you.
I'm glad this was said.
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Ultimate Tiger [35126]
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Re: I am not sure who goes hopping around during a traffic stop
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:54 AM
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The only thing you have to do at a traffic stop is crack your window hand over your license, insurance, and registration and be polite. SO no, I do not have to follow their orders, if they even have to ask, the answer is no.
Yeah, and this is why people get removed from their vehicles and placed on the ground. You have the right to not self-incriminate and the right to not be illegally searched or seized but, you still have to follow lawful orders and commands especially when it involves safety of the officer. You do not have to talk but you must obey lawful commands. Arrest and detainment is two different things.
A traffic ticket is considered an arrest by the way and thus the defendant is subject to following lawful commands without self-incrimination. Furthermore, when you have illegal tint on your windows the officers can and should make you roll your windows down.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: I am not sure who goes hopping around during a traffic stop
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Nope. If they give yiu a lawfully order you have to follow it. You aren't the one whongets to decide what is a lawful order. That's for the courts and the legislature. You don't make that decision on your own.
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All-In [10216]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:36 AM
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Officers instructions are not optional....if you believe your rights have been violated in some way, you will have your opportunity to be heard in court.
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Ultimate Tiger [33769]
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this is the way***
Sep 10, 2024, 9:38 AM
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TigerNet Champion [121411]
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Playmaker [374]
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Re: actually, not, that i not true
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:55 AM
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The second you are pulled over you are being detained. What happens after that is up to you. But it doesn’t take much to end up in cuffs and then possibly a felony arrest for resisting. On the street with the cop is not the place to argue your rights. That’s what your attorney and day in court are for.
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Ultimate Tiger [35126]
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Re: actually, not, that i not true
Sep 10, 2024, 10:56 AM
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This is true to an extent, but detainment does not mean arrest. It means you are not free to go. You do not have to arrest someone to detain them pending investigation. Thus, if you are detained, you must follow the officers' orders, but you are not inclined to self-incriminate or even speak.
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Ultimate Tiger [35126]
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Re: actually, not, that i not true
Sep 10, 2024, 10:56 AM
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Furthermore, a traffic ticket is considered an arrest.
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Valley Legend [13005]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:38 AM
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Obeying the directions of an officer is a must. Not answering any questions (that means nada) is also a must. Give them your required documents, follow directions and dont say anything.
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CU Guru [1564]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:39 AM
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I agree to a point, but you also have to be aware that they will instruct you to do things you don't have to. Breathalyzer, Field Sobriety test, car search.. none of those things you should EVER do. You just need to be aware of those things.
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Playmaker [374]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Refusing these is an automatic cuffing and arrest pretty much. If a cop has probable cause they can bring in dogs and search your car. Yes you have the right to refuse but expect to go to jail for a while.
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CU Guru [1564]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 13, 2024, 1:40 PM
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You will never be arrested for refusing a search. You can't impede the search but you don't have to agree. If they could search your car without asking they would. Otherwise they have to have a warrant. Yes you will most likely be arrested for not taking a field sobriety test but if they are asking for a breathalyzer and sobriety test you are going to jail anyway. Thinking they will "let you off" is a fallacy. All you are doing is giving them evidence against you. Meanwhile you are putting distance between yourself and the time of arrest which allows the lawyer to claim you weren't drunk at the time of the arrest.
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Orange Immortal [62868]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 9:45 AM
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Unless you're OK with having patches of hair beat out of your head, it isn't optional, you better do exactly what they say, and if you think it was wrong take it up with an attorney once you're no longer in their sight bc cops this day and time are brutal, and with a nervous trigger finger!!!
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Rival Killer [2939]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Jumping out of the vehicle is definitely optional. A bad option, but an option nonetheless.
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 9:53 AM
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IMO. The minute that blue light comes on behind you then you are under arrest. That's why those traffic citations and tickets say "Arresting Officer" where the officer puts his name. Don't agree with it then go to traffic court and tell a judge.
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TigerNet Champion [121411]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 9:55 AM
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lol, yeah, the judge is not going to see things your way without a high priced attorney.
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Gridiron Giant [15906]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 10:09 AM
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I disagree. I got a ticket dismissed before with no attorney.
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Orange Blooded [2284]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:06 AM
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For every video of some one thinking they don't have to obey a police officer there are 5 of them beating the head in from someone in handcuffs on the ground.
I am no advocating for "defunding" them but there is a reason everyone loves fire fighters.
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Tiger Spirit [10019]
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No. Thats just asking for it. If you feel you are being wrongfully
Sep 10, 2024, 10:09 AM
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treated, just go along in the moment and file grievance later through proper methods.
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Orange Phenom [14804]
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Just follow his instructions.***
Sep 10, 2024, 10:37 AM
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Head Coach [913]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 10:40 AM
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Too vague. Lawful instructions should be obeyed. OTOH some LEOs overstep court rulings i.e. flashing ones headlights to oncoming traffic or filming a public official performing their duty. These have been ruled on by the courts so many times that a few judges have began removing qualified immunity. I think we would all be better served if both sides behaved like reasonable adults.
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Just comply, be polite, and use some common sense!
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Sep 10, 2024, 10:50 AM
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It's really pretty simple.
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Rival Killer [2976]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 10:56 AM
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Miami Dolphins released a statement
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Orange Blooded [2479]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 12:26 PM
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Pretty disgusting response. Fans slowly coming back to the NFL and then this inappropriate response.
Condoning speeding in a congested area never mind that. SMH
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TigerNet Immortal [174433]
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Best thing to do is obey the law and not speed. Don't put yourself in that
Sep 10, 2024, 11:00 AM
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position.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 11:12 AM
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In the press conference, Hill asked the question, what if i wasn't Tyreek Hill?
Well, that's a good point. If it was a woman, for example, she would have just been roasted on the internet as a "Karen."
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Game Changer [1811]
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If you haven't been a cop, then shut up***
Sep 10, 2024, 2:49 PM
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Athletic Dir [1114]
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There is blame on both sides
Sep 10, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Hill started out bad trying to lecture the cop about knocking on his window. The cop used no de-escalation strategies at all. The cop who slammed Hill back down after he had already been pinned down and then stood back up should face discipline. Calais Campbell and Jonnu Smith had to walk a fine line between supporting Hill and not interferring with police doing their jobs. I thought police actions towards both of those guys were uncalled for. In history of behaviors, Hill hasn't shown anything that says he is nothing more than an exceptionally gifted yet very entitled athlete. Miami Dade Police did nothing to dispel the optics and views held by many that there are policing problems when it comes to dealing with people of color. Bad grades all the way around IMHO
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Game Changer [1963]
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
Sep 10, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Not optional. Taught my sons too.
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Re: Let have a roll call. Who believes obeying instructions of a police officer
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Sep 10, 2024, 4:50 PM
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Tons and tons of bootlickers in this thread.
Last I checked… it isn’t against the law to roll your window up. It isn’t against the law to be disrespectful to any cop. As a matter of fact… it’s literally our 1st amendment born right.
Tyreek did everything he was required by law to do. He gave his documents which he’s required to do. He was getting out of the car which he’s required to do.
That was simply “contempt of cop” and he bruised their massive egos. Cops are there to ENFORCE THE LAW.
They are NOT feelings enforcement. They are law enforcement. We don’t even know for sure if Tyreek is guilty of speeding. He’s only been charged… not convicted… HUGE difference.
Those cops just wanted to show Tyreek who was boss that’s it. Tyreek did NOTHING wrong after he was pulled over.
There is no law that says we as civilians HAVE to respect them. We can speak to them any way we want. It’s literally been ruled on over and over by the Supreme Court.
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