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Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 11:39 AM
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I missed this detail last night - was watching on mobile while at a dinner.
Brownell called a timeout after the made FT, allowing VT to get set and call a play. It also allowed them to substitute in Maddox, who then hit the winning 3.
Terrible timeout.
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Orange Blooded [2336]
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 11:56 AM
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H3ll BB can't win. Don't call the time out and if we lose, it would be his fault
No, I am not the Judge.
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:02 PM
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BB can't win.
That's all you needed to say.
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:07 PM
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You have to admit, he can beat some really bad teams. Not always, but a lot of the time.
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:20 PM
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You have no way of knowing what went on in that timeout so how can you be critical of it?
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:25 PM
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Because it never should have been called in the first place. It allowed Virginia Tech to sub in the kid that won the game, and it allowed them to set a play.
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:28 PM
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Hindsight is 20/20
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Foresight should have been, too. It was a stupid timeout which provided much more advantage to VT than Clemson. Simple, basic coaching decision. He's paid millions to make that decision, he's expected to have 20/20 vision in-game.
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 12:35 PM
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You would think after coaching as long as he has, he would know the basics (like don't give the other team a chance to design a play with a player they are subbing in).
BB runs a clean program, and I hear he is a nice guy. Winning 1/2 of your games is not good enough. It's time for a change and has been for a few years. If he stays we'll have a .500 team next year that has a sub .500 conference winning percentage. If that's good enough for Clemson... fine.
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Re: Late timeout
Mar 10, 2022, 6:00 PM
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As a coach, it's not a time out that is taken then. It just isn't. Bad move on his part.
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I believe you are wrong about one key thing
Mar 10, 2022, 2:53 PM
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The substitution happened after our missed free throw at around 1:18:55 in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerwJCRG3AI
The player who hit the game winning shot had stood up and gone to the sub in spot after the foul to put us on the line. He was going to sub in one way or another. It would seem that you have it backwards as likely this played a part in the TO being called (in order to set a defense against this new lineup) rather than allowing the substitution itself.
Now, there's plenty to discuss/critique/criticize about the defense/setup of the last play, but the TO wasn't the cause of the player being on the court. And, in fact, I'd wager when he stood up to go to the scorer's spot to check in the play had already been called for him to take the ball (and go for the win with either a 3 or a 2 if we had missed both).
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Re: I believe you are wrong about one key thing
Mar 10, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Apparently all bball coaches can’t coach. If you watched the game, the last 3 timeouts in the game all came by the team that just scored.
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Re: I believe you are wrong about one key thing
Mar 10, 2022, 2:59 PM
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Did they all come with 7 seconds left, a lead, and the opponent with no timeouts of their own?
Calling a timeout after scoring is not the problem. It's the rest of the situation. And calling one after scoring is most often done during a live-ball basket, not a free throw.
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Honest question
Mar 10, 2022, 3:23 PM
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What advantage do you think the TO gave to VA Tech? It appears their lineup was the same (or at least that the guy who hit the shot entered prior to the TO). They didn't run some fancy set play they worked out of the TO. I don't see any reason to think the play was anything different than would've happened before the TO. But, am I missing something?
Again, bad defense by us on the last play, but I don't see how that was due to the TO.
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Re: Honest question
Mar 10, 2022, 3:49 PM
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I’m thinking a TO was something 9 out of 10 coaches would have made. I have mentioned that I could care less whether he stays or f he goes but not thinking a TO in that situation hurt anything. We called a TO and then allowed the man to go all the way down the floor and gave him space to shoot the 3. If someone is too be blamed I’m starting with whoever’s job it was to guard the guy bringing the ball down the floor uncontested. If he would not have called a time out people would complain that he should have. Should have played good D and I do not believe we are having this conversation.
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I tend to agree
Mar 10, 2022, 4:59 PM
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But for some reason the guy who was throwing pitchforks at Brownell under what appears to be a mistaken impression of fact has gone strangely silent.
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Re: Honest question
Mar 11, 2022, 10:44 AM
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A TO is normal there for the offense, not the defense. VT had none, so they had no chance to sit down and draw up a play. We allowed them to do that.
This was a FT situation, not a live ball with players out of position and scattered. A timeout there helps the offense more than the defense...they can get their players down the floor before the inbound play starts, get in position to set picks, get the ball to the right player on the inbound play, etc.
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Re: Honest question
Mar 10, 2022, 5:01 PM
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Actually, Young put 5 guards, all shooters out on the floor. He pulled Aluma and Mutts for that final play. He was tired of that game and it was going to end one way or the other in that first OT.
There was never a thought of not shooting a three there with that lineup out on the floor.
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I agree, after we hit the second FT
Mar 10, 2022, 5:05 PM
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Had the lead been 1, the play would've likely looked the same, just with the shooter having the option to drive or take an easier shot.
My point is the shooter seems to have been put in after the 1st (missed) FT, and was always going to be on the floor despite what the initial poster in this thread implied.
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Re: I agree, after we hit the second FT
Mar 11, 2022, 10:45 AM
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You are correct; it was the other players that subbed in, not the shooter. That's my mistake, I heard this discussed on the radio and didn't validate it myself. The point still stands, though, the the timeout allowed VT to sub in players that wouldn't otherwise have been on the court, and allowed them to set their offense and run a play.
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Re: I agree, after we hit the second FT
Mar 11, 2022, 11:24 AM
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My point was I don’t think they even had to run a play. They threw the ball in, dribbled down and shot like it was some pick up game out in the park. Was no defense or any good defense played on that sequence. I know you do not want to foul but I think you need to at least pressure the guy.
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Re: I believe you are wrong about one key thing
Mar 10, 2022, 6:01 PM
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I did coach for 11 years. Not an expert, but you never calla time out, up, with seconds left. You want the other team to have to scramble . . it's part of the game, the strategy.
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