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:o this is on Neff for allowing it to happen***
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:48 PM
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Rival Killer [2653]
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Re: :o this is on Neff for allowing it to happen***
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:54 PM
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To an extent, certainly.
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Campus Hero [13139]
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Cole Stoudt is coaching wide receivers?***
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:51 PM
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Starter [278]
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Re: Cole Stoudt is coaching wide receivers?***
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:52 PM
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Yeah, that is actually real
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Re: Cole Stoudt is coaching wide receivers?***
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:59 PM
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That’s taking care of your own. I have no problem with it as long as they are not the main coach at the position.
I’m sure they are just learning and relay what the coach wants out of the position.
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Starter [278]
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Re: Cole Stoudt is coaching wide receivers?***
Sep 30, 2025, 5:29 PM
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Grisham still is the WR coach. Stout is an Assistant WR coach
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Re: Cole Stoudt is coaching wide receivers?***
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Sep 30, 2025, 7:22 PM
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And Drew Swinney must be the assistant to the assistant WR coach
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Clemson Sports Icon [54040]
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Yikes!***
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Sep 30, 2025, 3:58 PM
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Re: Yikes!***
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Oct 1, 2025, 7:50 AM
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Oh, so you didn’t know when you complained before?
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Orange Beast [6407]
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Re: Just to show exactly how many former players with zero prior coaching
Sep 30, 2025, 3:58 PM
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True....but talent has dropped off.
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Game Changer [1979]
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Re: Just to show exactly how many former players with zero prior coaching
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Sep 30, 2025, 4:45 PM
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No. The talent just isn’t being properly developed.
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CU Guru [1548]
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Sep 30, 2025, 4:49 PM
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No the talent has dropped off.
You’re not wrong either but the talent drop off is absolutely real.
Yall can believe those recruiting rankings or blue chip rankings all you want… we haven’t recruited like we used to in quite awhile.
We don’t have day 1 difference makers anymore like we used to reel in literally every single year.
Some of yall… not necessarily accusing you… but some believe bc they see an article that says Clemson has top 5 talent according to recruiting rankings… actually believe we have a top 5 roster.
We don’t and it’s not even close. They’re holes and gaps all over this roster.
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Re: Just to show exactly how many former players with zero prior coaching
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Sep 30, 2025, 5:17 PM
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You can't say that everything is wrong with the talent and development of those guys when you haven't been around those guys day in and day out to know what they are...
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CU Guru [1548]
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Re: Just to show exactly how many former players with zero prior coaching
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Sep 30, 2025, 7:45 PM
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I don’t need to be around them.
I have eyes and can see. My vision is 20/20.
Just bc you don’t know what you’re looking at doesn’t mean others don’t.
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CU Guru [1548]
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Re: Just to show exactly how many former players with zero prior coaching
Oct 1, 2025, 12:54 AM
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Fair enough
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Ultimate Tiger [35930]
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It worked with Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott. A light bulb went off in his head
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Sep 30, 2025, 4:01 PM
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at that point. He thinks the reason he was successful was because of long term coaches and the stability that brought in recruiting. He thought he could keep players by throwing the freshman out there when we had a 4 TD lead and we’d slowly see those leads drop down to 2 TD’s.
It’s now a “one year at a time” sport. LOI’s no longer mean anything. The players you’ve spent years recruiting can now leave for a payday, a floozie, or just for the heck of it with no impact to their careers. So, stability in your coaching staff means a lot less now. There’s a certain “slimeball” attitude needed with coaches to be successful in this environment. Dabo hasn’t shown that yet. It’s good ole boy politics, which is good for these former players, but it comes at a cost to alumni and donors. Clemson is no longer giving its “shareholders” those dividends they are accustom to. Something’s gotta change.
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Sep 30, 2025, 4:04 PM
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Nick Eason although falls under the category of former tiger shouldn't be on these lists, he did it the right way. He had years of NFL experience before coming back to Clemson. Thats how it SHOULD be. Not come here with no experience and stay here. Or have some sort of internship. You get one year as a low ranking staff member (like an analyst) and then you get the door, we'll write a great recommendation, you now have some experience now you have to leave for a minimum of 5 years before you can come back. AND any coach worth their salt should WANT to get more than one coaching perspective. Dabo is incredible, but learn from other great coaches too! Tony elliot had to scrap at South Carolina State and Furman before coming back. Why are we letting these new guys skip coaching steps??
If Boulware was a great LB coach at Wofford or the citadel for a couple years before coming here I'd understand it, but LB coach is an important position! Coaching is a real craft! Use your name value to recruit at a smaller level and get all the early learning mistakes out of the way before coming here. Develop those high school coaches relationships in the south, get your name out there when you're at a small school.
Look at willy korn! He's been grinding away for a decade and now is the OC at liberty.
If we brought him on as a QB or a WR coach I wouldn't mind because he's done it for a decade elsewhere.
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Oct 1, 2025, 7:48 AM
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Oddly, easons groups is probably the one underperforming the most. He definitely has the most talented group on D and they haven’t showed up at all.
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Orange Blooded [2145]
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Sep 30, 2025, 4:05 PM
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Oh boy … now show how many feeble minded never were’s and never will be’s live on message boards and pretend they actually have knowledge of ANY sport!!! Might want to take on your buddies in the little leagues cause you will never measure up to a 2 time ( will be more) NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP Coach, who, by the way, does things the right way !!
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Thanks, Mrs. Swinney!***
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Sep 30, 2025, 4:09 PM
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Being a good/great player doesn't mean you're a great coach. I'm not singling anyone out (I'm the last person who would pretend to know). But coaching is mostly teaching and motivating. As many issues as there are at as many position groups I have to believe there are a few despite their best efforts(hopefully) that are just not great coaches.
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Sep 30, 2025, 8:37 PM
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Exactly. If you have a 4.0 gpa, does that mean you would be a good school teacher?! Absolutely not!!
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Wrong about zero prior coaching. Also some guys had NFL experience
Sep 30, 2025, 4:14 PM
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Nicholas Eason (born May 29, 1980) is an American football coach and former defensive end who is currently the defensive tackles coach and run game coordinator at Clemson University. He previously served as an assistant coach for the Auburn Tigers, Cincinnati Bengals, Tennessee Titans, and Cleveland Browns.
Mickey Conn had 16 years as a head coach at HS level.
Tyler Grisham played four years in NFL:
Pittsburgh Steelers (2009–2011)
Denver Broncos (2012)
Bowers was an NFL and CFL player for 5-6 years.
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Re: Wrong about zero prior coaching. Also some guys had NFL experience
Sep 30, 2025, 8:34 PM
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Article said FBS coaching experience. And NFL and FBS don’t correlate well. Plenty of examples with coaches doing great at one level and not the other
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At best, this is nepotism
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Sep 30, 2025, 5:18 PM
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At worst, this is corruption
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Sep 30, 2025, 5:26 PM
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Well, some of these have good reason for being on staff. Several of the Clemson guys are also either completing their degree or they are getting Masters. Dabo has always welcomed former players to come back and earn degrees. Not sure that isnt any different than at other schools but I agree the list looks a little long. Unfortunately I dont think a few coaches are pulling their weight like Spiller.
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Oct 1, 2025, 7:34 AM
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Well, some of these have good reason for being on staff. Several of the Clemson guys are also either completing their degree or they are getting Masters. Dabo has always welcomed former players to come back and earn degrees. Not sure that isnt any different than at other schools but I agree the list looks a little long. Unfortunately I dont think a few coaches are pulling their weight like Spiller.
Sure. Tiger Trust allows them to complete their degree. Swinney can even offer a GA opportunity. That’s where it should stop until they have proven their coaching abilities elsewhere. I would really like to see coaches with experience at lower levels of college football where they can learn how to get strong performances from less talent. That also helps with HS talent evaluation skills.
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Sep 30, 2025, 6:11 PM
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A visit to the Clemson Athletics website is all one needs to see that it’s a friends and family country club
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Sep 30, 2025, 7:27 PM
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And the country club pays them handsomely to boot
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Sep 30, 2025, 7:29 PM
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now they have it
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I never heard of this Simon says guy and I am not going to look at the bios, but analysts are not coaches, assistant position coaches are only assistants and in the case of Tony Eason, he coached at Auburn and of course spent 17 years playing and coaching in the NFL which would be good enough at any school.
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Tony Eason
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Sep 30, 2025, 8:13 PM
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wanted me to tell you his name is Nick.
There is no Tony Eason, you coot.
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I think this is Germans by almost two weeks now***
Sep 30, 2025, 8:14 PM
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That’s cool. Bottom line is we would be 4-0 if Cade played like he did last season. We’d easily be 4-0 if he would’ve just improved slightly from last season. Instead he regressed from the 6th best QBR in the nation to the 91st QBR. That’s the real reason we are 1-3.
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I hope you realize these are mostly grad assistant type
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positions that don’t even show up on Clemson salary reports. Which is why they’re filled with former players. As he’s been doing since the started. But you geniuses think you’ve solved the zodiac killer case.
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