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Paw Warrior [4831]
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Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 9:30 AM
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This team is too fumble prone to do this stuff. The screens are high school. I’ll be Frank, or you can be Frank, this team is boring to watch. It reminds me of old Western scripts, where you knew the good guy would win , then you watch The Shootist and John Wayne gets it at the end.
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Solid Orange [1394]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 9:34 AM
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The play huddle worked. Tigers had a decent return going. It was the fumble, by a player who normally doesn’t lose the ball, that ended that momentum.
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Ring of Honor [22223]
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Agree … the play call did not cause the fumble.***
Nov 30, 2022, 9:54 AM
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All-TigerNet [5860]
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Not directly, but stupid plays have stupid endings **
Nov 30, 2022, 10:08 AM
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go figure
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Tiger Spirit [9951]
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Stupid puntrooskie worked for the bad guys...unfortunately.
Dec 1, 2022, 8:40 PM
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I guess if it works for a touchdown, it's not stupid(?)
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Rival Killer [2868]
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People keep saying "the play worked"
Nov 30, 2022, 10:16 AM
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Define "worked." Because it was a safety, they kicked off from the 20 instead of the 35. Given that the "nominal" return would be to get to the 25, we should have expected a return to the 35 or perhaps the 40 yard line. Mafah was getting tackled at the 32... he *might* have made it to the 35.
I don't think that play did anything but give the coots more time to eliminate the kickoff advantage we had from the safety.
Watch the replay here >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IAsrunctNc
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110%er [3931]
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Re: People keep saying "the play worked"
Nov 30, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Sometimes you show things so future opponents will have to plan for them.
And Dabo said they've been drilling that for a while (I can't recall exactly how long but it he noted they've had it ready to go for bit).
So it could be as simple as, 'We're in a pretty good place in the football game right now, let's run this fun play the team has been drilling and get something else on film that UNC will have to worry about in their prep'.
You never PLAN a fumble.
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Rival Killer [2868]
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You missed my point
Nov 30, 2022, 11:00 AM
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>>You never PLAN a fumble.
Even without the fumble, the razzle-dazzle appears to have cost us at least 10 yards on the return.
Anyone who looks at the return yardage result from that play and concludes that "it worked" is forgetting that they kicked off from the 20 and not the 35.
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110%er [3931]
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Re: You missed my point
Nov 30, 2022, 1:39 PM
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No, I take your point.
It didn't 'work' in the sense that it seems we didn't get measurably more yards that we might have on a straight return. Though that's impossible to know, let's say it's true.
If he holds on to the ball it still might have 'worked' as in getting something on film for future opponents to deal with and rewarding players for working on a play during practice.
It's an easy target, especially in retrospect given the fumble, but I don't have a problem with the call per se.
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Recruit [67]
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Re: You missed my point
Nov 30, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Bowden used trickery against us years ago and it worked. He did it in desperation though as CU was dominating the LOS the entire game. There was no need for trickery Saturday. And no need to abandon the run.
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Game Day Hero [4512]
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Re: People keep saying "the play worked"
Nov 30, 2022, 1:16 PM
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Just wanna state that being up 9 points in a game is NOT "a pretty good spot" to run this chancey play when you already have better odds to keep it in Shipley's hands for a better return.
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Tiger Spirit [9386]
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Re: People keep saying "the play worked"
Nov 30, 2022, 10:24 AM
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Exactly. I’ve been saying Shipley would have gained the same yardage by keeping the ball.
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All-TigerNet [5860]
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yeah, and we had the ball in Shipleys hands on the ten .....
Nov 30, 2022, 10:30 AM
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set up for a good return by one of the best kick returners in college football, and we call a play to take it out of his hands? please, baby jesus, stop right there ! discuss no further, #### that is stupid....
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Game Day Hero [4512]
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Re: People keep saying "the play worked"
Nov 30, 2022, 1:10 PM
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Finally somebody saying something meaningful on this play and why it was bad. Keep the ball in Shipley's hands since he is our best returner and already having a good game! Him receiving that kick running up 10 yards and stopping to hand it off is costly on that play. It allowed the coots to get extra time to run down field on them, thus eliminating any running lanes we may have had and any extra yards we could have had. Plus now the players have to regain running momentum again all the while you eliminated 3 extra blockers for nothing. When you truly break down this play, it's not good. Especially against a pretty good coots special teams unit. The fumble was the ultimate cherry on top of disaster.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55400]
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The fumble after that huddle changed the whole game
Nov 30, 2022, 9:40 AM
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It'll haunt me for years.
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110%er [4064]
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That fumble was so bad, I thought it was a shuffle pass…
Nov 30, 2022, 9:43 AM
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…at first.
It popped out and traveled 4 yards in the air.
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110%er [3931]
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Re: That fumble was so bad, I thought it was a shuffle pass…
Nov 30, 2022, 9:53 AM
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I actually thought the same... I said, 'He tried to... lateral? For real?'
But then on replay nope... just fell out.
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Dynasty Maker [3321]
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Re: That fumble was so bad, I thought it was a shuffle pass…
Nov 30, 2022, 10:21 AM
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Had it been ruled an illegal forward pass would have maintained possession of the ball? I know if a QB passes the line of scrimmage and throws an incomplete pass, the defense can't "recover" it. It's just a penalty and loss of down for the offense, right?
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110%er [3931]
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Re: That fumble was so bad, I thought it was a shuffle pass…
Nov 30, 2022, 10:24 AM
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You know, I'm not sure.
There may be different rules for kickoffs (similar to the holder being able to stand up on a fake FG when everyone else would be down) but I don't know what would have happened had they ruled it an intentional forward lateral(shuttle pass).
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All-TigerNet [5860]
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National Champion [7569]
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TigerNet Elite [69792]
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It was a stupid decision...
Nov 30, 2022, 9:54 AM
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There was no need to get cute or try to trick them. We had all of the momentum and lost it on one ill-advised and unnecessary play.
Way back in the day when I played high school football, we worked on ball security every single day in practice. The coaches would have us run through blocking dummies and pads while the coaches used boxing gloves on sticks and try to knock the ball out of our hands. If you fumbled, you had to run suicides, stadium steps or do up-downs, and it sucked. The coaches even made some guys carry a football with them around campus all day. I can tell you, we rarely fumbled the ball.
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National Champion [7908]
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That is a big part of what this team is lacking...
Nov 30, 2022, 10:11 AM
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Fundamentals like ball protection, blocking, route running for WRs, mechanics and footwork for the QBs... when you see all that, it's not hard to figure out what the underlying, big-picture problem is here.
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Rock Defender [72]
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Re: It was a stupid decision...
Nov 30, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Our HS coaches made us run two laps if we fumbled in practice, even on ball security drills.
It got to where if you put the ball on the ground, you just took off on your laps without being told.
We didn't fumble much either.
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Commissioner [923]
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The play was STUPID...you just got a safety...no need for
Nov 30, 2022, 9:42 AM
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this crap....drive down the field and burn 6 min off the clock, the game is over... Terrible coaching again.
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National Champion [7569]
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the safety ended up being a +5 points for the Coots, better
Nov 30, 2022, 3:01 PM
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off for us if we hadn't gotten the safety and made them punt
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Ring of Honor [22198]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Oh my the “ stick is stuck to far up my ###” community is about to come at you with full force
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Oculus Spirit [42282]
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So in other words, you want to win less so that it's more
Nov 30, 2022, 9:43 AM
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exciting to watch? Hmmm . . . you sound like a coot or a certain Clemson basketball coach worshipper I know
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Paw Warrior [4831]
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Re: So in other words, you want to win less so that it's more
Nov 30, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Roadapples. We play inferior teams and win in vanilla fashion because our talent is not utilized. Yes, it is boring. It is irritating and not worth the capital investment. You know this. Why criticize a rational thought?
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Oculus Spirit [42282]
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Mainly because it's not, rational that is***
Nov 30, 2022, 10:11 AM
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National Champion [7962]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 9:45 AM
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The last time they beat us we also had a trick play blow up in our face. 2013 in Columbia in the red zone. Sammy Watkins throws a pass picked off in the end zone.
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All-American [567]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 12:39 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. Another unnecessary play that cost us the game.
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All-In [10688]
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Yep, eerily similar to that game
Nov 30, 2022, 2:06 PM
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It also gave off the vibe that they had us rattled and we thought we needed to "pull out all the stops" to beat them. Not the message you want to send to inferior competition that you are expected to beat.
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National Champion [8019]
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I think he thought there wasn't any way we could screw it up
Nov 30, 2022, 10:16 AM
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and we did by fumbling at the end. the play kinda worked as we got an additional 10-15 yards out of if. The screen game is what i think Dabo means when he says "we're doing what gives us the best chance to win." What that is code for is we're doing the dumbed down, high percentage plays b/c if we try the highly skilled downfield plays, we don't have the players that can pull it off consistently. Hinting that he doesn't trust our receivers at all. So if we try to go downfield 50% of the time we'll increase our turnover rate immensely. The high percentage 3.5 yard plays is all he's after at this point.Because if you get 3.5 yards a play you have a first down. Its torture to watch but I think he has what he has and this is better than 3 and out every drive or turning it over at our own 35 yard line every drive b/c DJ throws a pick or receivers run a bad route.
He just can't come out and say that b/c he'll lose whats left of the locker room on offense. But when he says this is best case scenario that tells me alot.
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Orange Blooded [3066]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 10:19 AM
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Find yourself another college football program to support. It will make you feel better and they likely will put you on the payroll.
BTW-I agree with the 'huddle play'. it was uncalled for and a problem waiting to shift momentum of the game.
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CU Guru [1574]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Nov 30, 2022, 10:23 AM
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I agree.
A. The play did not work. As another poster pointed out, Mafah got tackled just outside the 30. Shipley could have gotten more than that by just running straight ahead.
B. Mafah is not a return man. He's slower than Shipley, and he's not used to handling the ball on kick returns. The odds are better that Shipley would get a better return just executing a normal return.
It was just a poor decision, before you even get to the fumble.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Instead of huddling and giving every SCar player a homing
Nov 30, 2022, 10:40 AM
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beacon, 'maybe' all those guys could have been picking out someone to block.
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All-American [567]
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Re: Instead of huddling and giving every SCar player a homing
Nov 30, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Blocking. What a novel idea. I think we should try it.
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Dynasty Maker [3283]
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That reasoning doesn't work re: the kick return play
Nov 30, 2022, 12:59 PM
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the fumble happened long after the exchange. The exchange had nothing to do with it. The exchange went fine - he just didn't take care of the ball after.
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Dec 1, 2022, 8:47 PM
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All I know is we had huge momentum and were potentially going to start the stranglehold. Fumble or not, it looked goofy.
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Letterman [290]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Dec 1, 2022, 9:44 PM
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Well then dont watch. Simple as.
Complaining about it on the internet won't help. Just breeds more negativity. And negativity kills a culture.
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Letterman [290]
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Re: Just watched the “cutesy “ huddle play
Dec 1, 2022, 9:46 PM
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It was the turning point in the game. After the 4th and goal, these 2 gave the Coots too much confidence that they could get back in the game. Shame.
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