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TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
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Jan 10, 2023, 7:59 AM
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Why is TCU still #2? They are clearly not the second best team in the country.
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Does it really matter?
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:02 AM
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Are you gonna sit here and be mad that Ohio State didn't finish 2nd?
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It Does Matter in the bigger picture
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:08 AM
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This is the second straight year we've finished out of the top 10. That is downward trend. Winning a weak ACC title is nice but it didn't enhance our brand. Getting boat raced in the Orange bowl exposed the program.
Next year is a pivotal year for Dabo and company. Another non-top 10 season makes us an Oklahoma State type program
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Re: It Does Matter in the bigger picture
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:21 AM
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Agree, we were not top 10 these two years, but we will be back next year!
Our offense has been weak the last two years, and we have the talent to improve.
13 is painful, but probably about right after our loss to Tennessee.
FSU ahead of us, and in the preseason rankings. We need to fix that in Death Valley on the field!
We need to ball out on the field next year to get back to the CFP games!
Georgia is top dog this year, not on our schedule for 2 years.
Go Tigers, Great Year in 2023!
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Re: It Does Matter in the bigger picture
Jan 10, 2023, 8:44 AM
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SECPN has Free Shoes in top 5 and us at 15... just sayin.
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Re: It Does Matter in the bigger picture
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Jan 10, 2023, 9:14 AM
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You didn’t mention the slip of the defense. From top 5 in every category to top 20-50 in every category except maybe one. Too many explosive plays given up and plain out bad fits. It’s talent on offense mixed with coaching. On defense, it’s all coordinator. Stats don’t lie. We won’t be back next year. Unless we hit the portal. Too late. All the studs are gone and guess where?! FSU. We struggle to win the ACC next year.
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Re: It Does Matter in the bigger picture
Jan 10, 2023, 4:43 PM
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You can't hit the portal Clemson is 3 scholarships over the limit already with all the players coming back. There is absolutely no room on the roster for anyone in the portal!
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I was talking about who finished 2nd, not about where
Jan 10, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Clemson finished.
I agree that our downward trend is both relevant and concerning. It's going to become a vicious cycle that's tough to pull out of here soon.
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Re: I was talking about who finished 2nd, not about where
Jan 10, 2023, 9:16 AM
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The loser of the Natty always finishes second. It’s maths. It’s how every playoff in every sport works. Lose the championship game and you’re 2nd. Simple process. Ohio State sucked and didn’t deserve the playoff.
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Ohio State had the 2nd highest ceiling of any team in CFB
Jan 10, 2023, 10:10 AM
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this year and they showed that when they played Georgia*.
*I'm not arguing they should've finished 2nd in the AP though. I couldn't care less about that.
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By far? They got trucked by Michigan.***
Jan 10, 2023, 8:14 AM
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Re: By far? They got trucked by Michigan.***
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:32 AM
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On their home field! Day is still complaining about the refs, weather, moon…….
TCU got caught in a buzz saw for 60 minutes.
We got in an LSU buzz saw for the last 40 minutes, but it we had a lead after first 20.
Dabo could have buzz sawed Alabama in 2019 , but ran the clock out in the 4th quarter.
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Re: By far? They got trucked by Michigan.***
Jan 10, 2023, 9:17 AM
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Ummmm, 44-16 is buzzsawed. ?
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Yes but 51-16 would have been moarsawed. LOL***
Jan 10, 2023, 1:48 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:00 AM
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Fire Wes and Streeter
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How can you put TCU at 2 after that beating?***
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:13 AM
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because they got to the title game, nobody else can say that...
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:23 AM
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And? They got beat worse than UGA beat anyone else all year.
Jan 10, 2023, 8:59 AM
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Including Vandy lol.
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Re: And? They got beat worse than UGA beat anyone else all year.
Jan 10, 2023, 9:19 AM
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It is simple. In the history of every playoff in history regardless of sport, the loser of the championship game is ranked second. Why is that so hard to understand. It’s called a playoff. Last two standing. You question the sunshine?! Lol
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No, I question the logic in a team that lost by 58 points
Jan 10, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Being "2nd best". Its laughably absurd. Why is THAT so hard to understand?
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Re: No, I question the logic in a team that lost by 58 points
Jan 10, 2023, 11:36 AM
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Again, they made it to the finals.
TCU beat Michigan, which had already beaten Ohio State. It doesn't matter that the final was a blowout. TCU made it to the game. They're #2.
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Re: How can you put TCU at 2 after that beating?***
Jan 10, 2023, 9:13 AM
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Beat Michigan who beat Ohio State, pretty simple.
Georgia played their best game, TCU their worst.
Ranking is for season and CFP.
Oh yeah, and Ohio State missed a field goal to win too.
~Ryan Day claims the goal post moved, refs deflated the ball…..
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This clearly demonstrates, why all polls, as well as any
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:23 AM
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playoff which is based on polls which are based on opinions, are fudamentally, irreparably flawed, and why we need a playoff that makes sure winners and champions are rewarded ahead of media darlings and "expert" favorites.
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Re: This clearly demonstrates, why all polls, as well as any
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:29 AM
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Yep.......just wait until the 12-team playoff.
Won't see any blowouts at all.
All the complaining will cease.
Won't water down the regular season at all.
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You're missing the point.
Jan 10, 2023, 10:50 AM
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There will always be the potential for blowouts, no matter the selection method - always.
The blowout you saw last night was the result of selection based on opinion; opinion, granted, that (supposedly) took into consideration conference championships, but were also influenced by all sorts of biases and questionable assumptions and perceptions.
That's one way to do it, and it obviously, as a matter of record, does not avoid blowouts or mismatches. But, there is another way - let it be earned on the field, with the goal being rewarding the winners, winners, on the field, of conferences and divisions. Stop rewarding those teams that "experts", who are proven dead wrong over and over and over and are highly susceptible to bias and media influence, believe are the "best". Stop pretending we can know which teams are "best"; it is proven over and over again that we don't and can't. Let's just let teams play, and reward the winning.
So, no selection system will eliminate blowouts, but blowouts are not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they are part of a process of elimination that rewards actually winning games and advancing until a legitimate champion is determined.
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Re: This clearly demonstrates, why all polls, as well as any
Jan 10, 2023, 9:23 AM
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The playoff has NEVER been based on polls. I’m daft, the committee doesn’t consider the polls in seeding. It’s body of work.
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The CFP rankings is a poll, for God's sake!
Jan 10, 2023, 10:33 AM
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The playoff is based off of that POLL, and the OPINIONS of those on the selection committee. That fundamentally flawed concept resulted in the BLOWOUT you saw last night.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
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Jan 10, 2023, 8:42 AM
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If Clemson would have been destroyed like that in the NCG, we would have been lucky to make a top 10 ranking!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
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Jan 10, 2023, 11:39 AM
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If Clemson would have been destroyed like that in the NCG, we would have been lucky to make a top 10 ranking!!!
LSU blew us out and we finished #2.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 8:45 AM
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Extremely fortunate and very generous of the AP to give Clemson a #13. I was expecting a 15 or 16 after the last 2 games!!
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Clemson was 1-3 against the final top 25
Jan 10, 2023, 8:46 AM
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and two of those losses were blow-outs - not good!
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 8:47 AM
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and FSU (a team we beat) moves two spots higher than the ACC conference champion. Get used to it. Will not be long until they take over as conference champion.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 9:21 AM
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Because they finished stronger. Anyone with eyes can see that. They trending up, we are not.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
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I know some will say we should be ranked higher than FSU bc we beat them, but it’s how u finish. We had a good year but there’s a great gulf between us and teams like Ohio State, UGA and Bama…..not in talent but in coaching. There’s not a nickel’s worth of difference in talent if u look at class recruiting rankings, but a huge difference in performance…that boils down to coaching. This is not negativity, it’s just fact.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 9:10 AM
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I would definitely have ND in front of us. They beat us and SC. That’s my opinion.
Not going to ##### 13 with the play of our last QB and questionable reasonings behind why we seemingly abandoned the run game when it showed to effective. Not sure we beat ND but SC definitely and unsure on Tenn. We threw 56 times against Tenn not a winning strategy if you ask me.”
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 11:42 AM
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FSU played great at the end of the season and put up some quality wins.
Even though it was an early season game, they also get credit for the win over LSU.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 2:01 PM
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Maybe the recruiting rankings don't show a big difference in talent but the eye test sure does tell a different story.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 9:27 AM
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I love all theses arm chair QBs on this website. Sit back and enjoy the game of football and let Dabo do his job. He certainly doesn't need you to do it for him.
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Generous***
Jan 10, 2023, 9:53 AM
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FSU 11, really?***
Jan 10, 2023, 9:55 AM
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 10:07 AM
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No one really cares about ‘history’ because it has no value on the present and future.
The question is, ‘Did Dabo learn anything from not starting Cade after the Syracuse game?’
If Cade had game experience in those remaining games and DJ on the sidelines, Clemson WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAYOFF and possibly even the championship game.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's final AP Poll ranking released
Jan 10, 2023, 10:26 AM
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Well this should be a wake-up call for Clemson. Will see what Dabo will next year (maybe early spring). Will he be the stubborn Dabo that was loyal to a player and now maybe extremely loyal to an OC or will it be a smart Dabo and make change(s).
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Prob too high***
Jan 10, 2023, 10:36 AM
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How in the world!!!
Jan 10, 2023, 11:44 AM
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