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Fan [38]
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Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 5:41 AM
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Reading through this forum, there appears to be a lot of support for Clemson joining the SEC. That is perfectly fine. I support that too. But, I am also reading a lot of delusional thinking. It seems that a lot of Clemson fans think that if Clemson joins the SEC, they are just going to jump in and take it over. This is not going to happen. the SEC (more now than ever) is loaded with power house teams. Clemson will get a crash course lesson in the difference between a nothing conference, with mostly easy teams to beat up on, and playing a really good, top team week in and week out. There is a big difference.
Again, I think it would be great for Clemson to join the SEC. I think they would fit in better there than the Big 10, but just don't expect to automatically get in their and own the conference. Clemson is going to be put through the grinder, like every other team in the SEC, and they are going to have to work hard to have any success in that conference.
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Nice first post coot***
Jul 10, 2022, 5:55 AM
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 5:56 AM
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What gauntlet. Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Florida, Tenn., Arkansas, Ole MIss Miss State? There is no reason to think that Clemson would not crush all of these teams every year except for down years like last year.
Also, do you remember what happened the last time a team joined the SEC? Missouri dominated the East for at least two years, and they were one of the worst teams in the Big 12.
Yes, Clemson's offense was down last year, but in the last 8 years, they have been one of the top 3 football teams in College Football, and recruiting is actually picking up right now.
Do I think Clemson will win a Championship every year? No, I don't but I think the SEC would the same as it always was, just one more predator like Alabama in the mix.
The SEC is basically 1 great team, 3 or four really good teams, and then everyone else.
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Tiger Titan [45824]
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^Bingo^
Jul 10, 2022, 6:01 AM
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Reality check.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 8:23 AM
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...and a lot of braggadocios.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 2:40 PM
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You think Clemson, if they went to the SEC would crush teams like Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss state, and Auburn? That isn't going to happen. I am not saying Clemson wouldn't win those games, but you aren't going to crush them. They will all be tough games. Arkansas played Alabama down to the wire last year, and lost by one touchdown. It came down to an Onside kick.
So, none of those games are going to be easy, 'give me' games, my man.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 5:02 PM
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So youre saying Clemson would win, but not by that much?
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 5:11 PM
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I think Clemson is powerhouse of football team, and I Think they have a good chance of doing well in the SEC, but I don't think it will be easy. All of the teams in the SEC, with the exception of Vandy, are pretty tough teams. Some are expected to be really tough. Most of the top coaches are in the SEC right now. I would love to see Clemson in the SEC, I think they would fit in, but I have a feeling they are going to end up staying in the ACC for some reason.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 6:10 PM
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Wait. Did SC get kicked out? If all but Vandy are pretty tough teams, they must be gone…
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 9:00 PM
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You think Clemson, if they went to the SEC would crush teams like Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss state, and Auburn? That isn't going to happen. I am not saying Clemson wouldn't win those games, but you aren't going to crush them. They will all be tough games. Arkansas played Alabama down to the wire last year, and lost by one touchdown. It came down to an Onside kick.
So, none of those games are going to be easy, 'give me' games, my man.
Did you sniff glue as a kid?
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 7:06 PM
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3 different SEC teams have won the NC in the last 3 years. 5 different SEC teams have won 12 of the last 15 NCs. 4 of those were all SEC NC games. The SEC has filled 36 spots in the BCS/CFP.
2 different ACC teams have won 3 of the last 15 NCs. The ACC has filled 8 spots in the BCS/CFP era.
To say the SEC only has one great team each year is simply not backed up by the numbers. That is a perfect description of the ACC however. The two teams that played for the ACC title last year routinely sign recruiting classes ranked in the same ballpark as Vanderbilt. Wake, Pitt, and NC State would be bottom feeders in the SEC. If you need further proof, bottom feeder SC beat UNC by 18 last year. There is a reason the ACC is on life support and the SEC is booming. Clemson would absolutely compete and compete well in the SEC, but they would not be a shoe in to play for the conference title in the SEC like they are currently in the ACC.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 7:53 PM
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That is what I was trying to say. You said it much better than me, and had the numbers to back it up. The SEC are loaded with really good teams. It isn't just Alabama and Georgia than everyone in the SEC sucks. Most of the teams in the SEC would probably go undefeated or close in most other conferences. But, I also agree that Clemson would be a great addition to the SEC. They certainly are a good enough team that they belong in one of the two top conferences. They need to ditch the ACC.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 11, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Agree with all but, Clemson and Bama have been the two teams to win more than one Natty in the past 8 years you're speaking of, and that places Clemson as a top 2 with Bama, and maybe Bama edging out the #1 spot by a small margin!!!
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Ultimate Tiger [34741]
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Since you didn't specify. Basketball board is that way --->***
Jul 10, 2022, 5:56 AM
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Orange Immortal [66582]
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I think he's asking for directions to the riding stables.***
Jul 10, 2022, 8:28 AM
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CU Medallion [18216]
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I’ll show you a schedule - you tell me if it’s a “grinder” or not:
Jul 10, 2022, 6:00 AM
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Oregon
Samford
@SCAR
Kent State
@Missouri
Auburn
Vandy
@Florida
Tennessee
@MissST
@Kentucky
Georgia Tech
This “grinder” label, while *sometimes* true, is not an acceptable blanket description of the SEC, nor is “SEC speed,” “SEC size,” “SEC power,” etc. It’s a lazy generalization.
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Re: I’ll show you a schedule - you tell me if it’s a “grinder” or not:
Jul 10, 2022, 7:30 AM
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UGA's schedule certainly isn't a "grinder." Contrast it with Clemson's schedule and honestly ask yourself which is the easiest path to a playoff spot. That's the point. If that's not enough, there is no Bama for Clemson to contend with at the end of the season. It is true that Clemson has been a powerhouse program. It's also true they have benefitted from an ACC schedule.
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Tiger Titan [45824]
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You’re right. We never get a second chance to beat Bama.
Jul 10, 2022, 9:41 AM
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Which is why we will never be co champions with them like Georgia.
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Re: I’ll show you a schedule - you tell me if it’s a “grinder” or not:
Jul 10, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Try to keep up. This is about the “week in and week out” gauntlet that sec teams face. Your narrative is old and worn out.
Also, chances are that we end the season with bama anyway.
HTH
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You don't have anyone on your schedule tougher than our....
Jul 10, 2022, 4:43 PM
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game against ND. Not even close. And Bama is always waiting at the end of our schedule as well. In the last decade UGA has played Bama 6 times. In the same time period we've played them 4 (Actually that's just since 2016). Get out of here with that garbage.
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Re: I’ll show you a schedule - you tell me if it’s a “grinder” or not:
Jul 10, 2022, 8:01 PM
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Here is Arkansas' 2022 schedule.
Cincinnati
South Carolina
Missouri State
Texas AM
Alabama
Ms State
BYU
Auburn
Liberty
LSU
Ole Miss
Missouri.
Now THAT is a grinder. Arkansas always gets hammered with a hard schedule. However, The one you posted, I assume is Georgia's schedule, didn't look too bad.
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Orange Blooded [2128]
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Well I know we will beat the coots
Jul 10, 2022, 6:49 AM
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And Alabama every year. Does that help?
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Ring of Honor [21013]
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Line em' up big mouth!***
Jul 10, 2022, 7:04 AM
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Paw Warrior [4874]
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Are there actually Clemson fans
Jul 10, 2022, 8:01 AM
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That really think we would move in and take over the SEC??? Delusions but all the teams are not good. There are many average teams in that conference so we would not be playing very good teams every week as was already posted. I would love the opportunity to play those teams on a regular basis. Not skeered.
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Re: Are there actually Clemson fans
Jul 10, 2022, 8:29 AM
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I have never been one to say we would come in and do anything. Definitely a bigger challenge no doubt about that. Not sure who the OP may be referring to but they may have been talking to someone that knows little a about college football or has sipped on a good bit of bourbon.
I am a believer that things are never as good or as bad as they seem.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102352]
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He's more likely a poser of strawman arguments.***
Jul 10, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Orange Blooded [2474]
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Re: Are there actually Clemson fans
Jul 10, 2022, 8:30 AM
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Alabama has pretty much dominated the conference the past decade so anything is possible. A pretty good indication is watching coveted recruits leaving the state of Al and Ga. for Tiger town. Some of us can be believers!
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102352]
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The supposition that Clemson fans think Clemson would...
Jul 10, 2022, 8:30 AM
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take over the SEC is what is called a strawman. It's the imposition of a question into a conversation by which one presents a fictional supposition.
It is actually the working of a simple and simply dishonest mind. However...
If Clemson was in the SEC we would be underdogs by media talking heads to Bama and UGAy. Our prospective games against those teams would often decide a division championship.
While I would not consider that taking over the SEC I suspect SEC teams would view a game with Clemson early in the year as a benchmark.
I do not want Clemson in the SEC. I do not want Clemson in the B1G. I don't even like Clemson being in the ACC but I agree with Dabo, "Bloom where you are planted."
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102352]
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I smell chicken manure.***
Jul 10, 2022, 8:05 AM
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Wrong board
Jul 10, 2022, 8:07 AM
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Synchronized Swimming is >>> way.
Do you even watch Football?
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Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Clemson has a better chance to win the SEC than your chickens..
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 8:12 AM
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While the ACC has been relatively easy the SEC East has been a been almost as easy to get through. Switch Clemson and GA the last 7 years and outside of 2017 and 2021 Clemson would have made the SEC championship and had to take on Bama or LSU. Which we know how that would have turned out in 2019 and 2020. We’d have lost. But 2015, 2016, 2018. We could have still won a NC. I say 2015 because that was an extremely close game that could have gone either way.
But now that the super conferences are developing no team will be going through those schedules unscathed. If they add Clemson and Oklahoma to the East for example you are talking about an extremely tough schedule. SC, Kentucky, Missouri, and Vanderbilt will never sniff success again.
But I sure hope no one thinks this new SEC is will be like the old one and I hope no Clemson fan think we going in and go 12-0. 9-3 or 10-2 will more than likely be in the SEC title game.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 8:13 AM
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Enjoy another Mayo dump this year!
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Head Coach [929]
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 8:17 AM
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Clemson want have any trouble but the other ACC teams such as fsu, Miami, unc will not fare well
We are built for this they are not
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It’s also fascinating that the ethos of joining the SEC goes
Jul 10, 2022, 8:27 AM
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against the methods and visions of Dabo Swinney, who built this behemoth of a football program not worrying about all this mess. If he thought like many on this board do, he’d have jumped to the SEC as a coach after he got his footing and experience in his early years at Clemson.
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Re: It’s also fascinating that the ethos of joining the SEC goes
Jul 10, 2022, 8:32 AM
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I for one would rather let the team do my talking especially on something none of us has experienced as Tiger fans.
If this was to go through the ROY bus will definitely need a tune up, wash and a wax!
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Vandy, Ky, Mizzou, USuC ,,,,,, week in, week out?
Jul 10, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Good thing the mods give 10 points for registering.
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Paw Master [16128]
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Hopefully we play in the East...Its super weak...
Jul 10, 2022, 4:29 PM
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Beat UGA and we are in the championship.
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Rival Killer [2726]
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Clemson would only benefit
Jul 10, 2022, 8:35 AM
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from joining the sec and would be more likely to make the playoffs as an sec member. Right now the only schools in the sec that compete at clemson’s level are uga and alabama. That’s it. Nobody else is close. Clemson’s odds of winning the sec would be equal to those two schools’. And, as past years have shown, you don’t have to win the sec to make the playoff. Basically just beat one of those teams in a season, take care of the average teams you get every other week, and you’re in. Or lose to an average team and you still might get in.
The argument that clemson has benefited from a weak acc is just sec homerism. Maybe a middling sec team is marginally better than a middling acc team. Maybe an sec cellar team is marginally better than an acc cellar team (maybe not). Bottom line, clemson has been head and shoulders above all but a very very few programs over the last 7 years. Marginal differences between sucky suck teams wouldn’t have changed anything.
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Re: Clemson would only benefit
Jul 10, 2022, 2:44 PM
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So, basically, you are comparing Clemson to Alabama and Georgia. You feel like, in the SEC, it would be Clemson, Alabama, and Georgia as the dominate teams? Well, I hope we will find out. I am pulling for Clemson to join the SEC, and then we will get to see what kind of a Coach Dabo really is.
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Rival Killer [2726]
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It’s a lot more defensible argument
Jul 10, 2022, 4:27 PM
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than saying that if clemson were in the sec, they’d be playing “top teams” every week. See 6 of last 7 national championships and half of all playoff spots since 2015 coming from that trio.
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 10, 2022, 9:53 AM
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Shut up Todd. Touchdown Chad Jasmin.
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If we win the SEC early on will you finally hang yourself ?***
Jul 10, 2022, 10:36 AM
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I love a good coot troll.
Jul 10, 2022, 12:22 PM
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They are always fraught with facts.
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Ultimate Tiger [33853]
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Re: I love a good coot troll - which do you like better
Jul 10, 2022, 12:47 PM
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the coot trolls or the leg humper trolls? The dawg trolls like to come on here and sorta beat their chest and maybe something else while the coot trolls just like to start stuff.
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Fan [38]
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Re: I love a good coot troll - which do you like better
Jul 10, 2022, 5:17 PM
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I am not a Dawg troll. I am actually not a Troll at all. I follow the Arkansas Razorbacks as my team, but I am a fan of College Football in general, and I am taking great interest in what is going to happen with the shift in conferences right now. I would love to see Clemson in the SEC with my Razorbacks. Anytime we played you guys, it would be considered a benchmark game. I was just making the point that some Clemson fans seem to think that Clemson will just jump in the SEC and make it their #####, and the SEC is not easy for any team, especially now, it's even tougher than it use to be now. All the teams, except for Vandy, are pretty salty right now.
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Tiger Spirit [9921]
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Dang...I think y'all scared the kid off.***
Jul 10, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Yeah...Texas is a real powerhouse and we never beat Oklahoma***
Jul 10, 2022, 4:28 PM
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Re: Reality Check...
Jul 11, 2022, 6:17 PM
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I predict that we (Clemson) would do a yell of a lot better than the chicken ##### pullets from the sewage pit of cola!!!!!!!!!!!
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