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Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell
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Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell


Dec 16, 2017, 12:58 PM

to be fired at Clemson....

Just curious.

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Re: Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell


Dec 16, 2017, 12:59 PM

MEE!

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Re: Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell


Dec 16, 2017, 1:05 PM

No. I want him back.

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OP was nouthing without Shouka Smart***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:05 PM



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Re: OP was nouthing without Shouka Smart***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:08 PM

True. Like Bowden without Rodriguez,

If Purnelll came back I would be through with Clemson for life,

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I'm down with OPP***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:07 PM



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Re: I'm down with OPP***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:14 PM

I thought a lot of OP and was very upset when he left. He was a fine coach and was great in player development with basketball and their schoolwork too.

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Yea you know me***


Dec 16, 2017, 10:18 PM [ in reply to I'm down with OPP*** ]

Never gets old.

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Re: Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell


Dec 16, 2017, 1:16 PM

Purnell put Clemson into a gimmick system of press ball that related into demoralizing defeats against any team that knew how to inbound the ball. I believe he recruited better Bigs, but he made Clemson a consistent first round flop.

He was the Tommy Bowden of basketball.

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At least we use to make the first round***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:27 PM



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Any trophies?***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:44 PM



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Anything since?***


Dec 16, 2017, 2:02 PM



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Re: Any trophies?***


Dec 16, 2017, 2:51 PM [ in reply to Any trophies?*** ]

Do we have any at all

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Yup. Much better to just suck from the beginning so you don'


Dec 16, 2017, 1:33 PM [ in reply to Re: Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell ]

t get your hopes up.

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Cmon, let it go, very old news, and give BB a chance to lead


Dec 16, 2017, 1:29 PM

Tigers to successful new Year. I have a feeling that if they do continue to get better, then we have a chance to get Zion, which will completely change Tiger BB just as the signing of Spiller really helped changed fb.

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If we somehow manage to land Zion


Dec 16, 2017, 1:41 PM

He'll be a one and done. I don't see how it'll change our program.

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LOL, Wouldn’t want the negative nancys to miss a season


Dec 16, 2017, 1:46 PM

of enjoyment.

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I'll pull for our team like I always do, but I'm


Dec 16, 2017, 2:05 PM

realistic in what Brownell can do. I don't get surprised every year like a bunch of people on here.

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Surprised? I pull for the Tigers every game, every sport


Dec 16, 2017, 9:49 PM

regardless. Never feel the need to pile on when things aren’t going to well and BTW the Tigers WON!

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Re: If we somehow manage to land Zion


Dec 16, 2017, 10:13 PM [ in reply to If we somehow manage to land Zion ]

Even he is one and done, he will bring more attention to the program than any other player has. I see no downside in having a one and done player of this caliber. He'll be that regardless of where he goes, so why not take advantage of it?

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I think every coach deserves..


Dec 16, 2017, 3:45 PM [ in reply to Cmon, let it go, very old news, and give BB a chance to lead ]

10 years to prove they can be avg.


#21

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No, at least we competed in the acc tournament and


Dec 16, 2017, 1:30 PM

made the first round of the ncaa tournament regularly.

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The Purnell era was much better than the Brownell era has


Dec 16, 2017, 1:58 PM

been thus far, no doubt. But we have to be careful not to use the Purnell era as some kind of end-goal, or as an example of just what Clemson basketball can be. We have to aim much higher than that.

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yes, I wanted to go past the first round when he was here and


Dec 16, 2017, 4:02 PM

would still like to. Unfortunately we haven’t sniffed the first round lately. Instead of taking the next step we stepped back.

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No doubt about it.


Dec 16, 2017, 5:09 PM

Purnell plateaued, then Brownell took over, almost immediately took us down a notch, then plateaued there. Really, really hoping he gets it turned around this season. We seem to have more pieces in place than we've had since Brownell's first season.

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Encouraged by 2007-08 season then wheels fell off


Dec 16, 2017, 1:36 PM

Loved Demontez Stitt, Trevor Booker, Sam Mays, Cliff Hammonds, KC Rivers and Terrance Oglesby. And somehow OP never showed any inclination to ever set a screen for cocky bomber Oglesby who was one of the all-time best Clemson long-range shooters even in his short time on the team. Then he lost Oglesby (to a Scandinavian pro team), lost the team and lost the fans over the next two years. Still unsure what happened ... though it was evident OP was not a tournament coach.

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Did not want him fired, but it was clear the program


Dec 16, 2017, 1:36 PM

had plateaued under his leadership. I really liked OP, and think he did a great job. Purnell's style was basically a work-around, a way to get the absolute most out of what he had in the absence of much real basketball talent; a concession that the program would never attract elite players or be a serious, consistent contender in our own conference without a major overhaul and a new mindset by the university.

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Purnell brought in higher ranked players than


Dec 16, 2017, 1:43 PM

Brownell.

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Of course, recruiting totally tanked under Brownell.


Dec 16, 2017, 1:52 PM

Still, Purnell was not recruiting at a high enough level to compete year-in-year-out in the ACC.

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Re: Did not want him fired, but it was clear the program


Dec 16, 2017, 2:03 PM [ in reply to Did not want him fired, but it was clear the program ]

“But it was clear the program had plateaued under his leadership”

I think this statement kind of just caught on without any real thought behind it. His last recruiting class was his best and our program had become a perennial tournament team. The man played for an ACC championship for gosh sakes. The wins in the NCAA tournament would have come.

His style was perfect for our basketball program and following up his departure by hiring Brownell would be like following up Dabo with Paul Johnson.

Said it 7 years ago and I’ll keep saying it....

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It didn't just catch on with me. That was my opinion when


Dec 16, 2017, 2:47 PM

he left, and there was plenty of thought behind it. With OP's teams, everything was dependent upon the success of our full-court press. Toward the end, teams were figuring it out and defeating it with relative ease. We really depended on getting points off of that press, and our half-court offense was disjointed at best, and almost non-existent; it was greatly improved the next year under Brownell.

It has always been my opinion that OP maxed out at Clemson, and got out while the getting was good. I liked him, and he did a great job at Clemson. It was simply a struggle to get the kind of players he needed to move to the next level, which would have meant moving past the first round of NCAA tournament. He had an opportunity to get paid well and took it. Then Brownell came in, did a great job coaching up the team he inherited, but then couldn't recruit a lick.

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Re: It didn't just catch on with me. That was my opinion when


Dec 16, 2017, 3:24 PM

We lost those tournament games because of missed free throws. Had nothing to do with his style of play but rather just a bit of misfortune at the wrong time.

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I see we have a difference of opinion.


Dec 16, 2017, 3:35 PM

And that's okay.

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You brought up another problem with OP, his players


Dec 16, 2017, 3:37 PM [ in reply to Re: It didn't just catch on with me. That was my opinion when ]

could NEVER shoot free throws, at least most of them! And I remember seeing a stat one time about his press. 40% of the time that a team beat his press, they scored on an easy layup or dunk!

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Re: You brought up another problem with OP, his players


Dec 16, 2017, 3:48 PM

His style of play wasn't full proof but it allowed us to attract better athletes and gave us an edge which is exactly what a football school like Clemson needs to compete in a basketball conference.

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Two things...OP recruited long athletic types first


Dec 16, 2017, 4:23 PM [ in reply to You brought up another problem with OP, his players ]

(as opposed to good shooters and those with basketball skills) because that was what he needed to run his press, which was what he had to run because he couldn't get the shooters and basketball players. Secondly, his press had his players so worn out it affected their free throw shooting, particularly late in games.

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Indifferent.***


Dec 16, 2017, 1:44 PM



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Kind of a ridiculous topic to bring up 3 hours before


Dec 16, 2017, 1:46 PM

one of our biggest games of the year. And also about 7 years too late

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This is always a funny topic because


Dec 16, 2017, 1:52 PM

the people who hated Purnell always site the fact that he never won in the first round of the tournament as a big reason why they hated him.
Now we never make the tournament, and it seems like the people who prefer Brownell over Purnell, view this as a good thing. Since we won't lose in the first round.
I wish we were still playing significant basketball and hated seeing Purnell leave, but I understand why he did. In the end the move did not work out for him or us.

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Re: This is always a funny topic because


Dec 16, 2017, 2:11 PM

Purnell walked out on clemson and his players without a goodbye. He left and told no one he would ever return. Love a coward if you like but not me!

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fascinating topic..


Dec 16, 2017, 2:21 PM

If you look at the numbers... OP had a tougher SOS almost every year than what B.B. has had... and still managed to make the tournament 3 yrs in a row... AND win more ACC games than anyone not named Duke or UNC over that time.

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I was cool with him******


Dec 16, 2017, 2:37 PM



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How can you tell who is raising their hand?***


Dec 16, 2017, 2:39 PM



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Your mom didn't


Dec 16, 2017, 3:49 PM

????

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Re: Your mom didn't***


Dec 16, 2017, 3:57 PM





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Re: Raise your hand if you wanted Oliver Purnell


Dec 16, 2017, 10:56 PM

Poor Skeeter3

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