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Pete Maravich --
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Feb 17, 2024, 2:23 PM
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It is college basketball season and his name is in the news because A girl ---->
Iowa's Caitlin Clark just broke the NCAA women's hoops scoring record. My hat is off to her, great accomplishment, incredible!
That is impressive, and Pete's name is in the article as she has a chance ? to maybe break his Men's record.
I am going to call "foul" on that.
--- Men play with a larger ball which is more difficult to get through the hoop.
--- Pete played when players were limited to 3 years, she has had 4 so far.
--- There was no 3 point shot when Pete played, no shot clock.
--- Pete had 3,667 points and an average of 44.2 points per game.
--- Maravich was considered to be one of the greatest creative offensive talents ever and one of the best ball handlers of all time.
His father coached at Clemson 1956–1962.
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I wish I had a chance to see him play live.
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Amazing talent.
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Got to see him play in Atlanta at the Omni.
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My dad kept telling us kids how great it was we got to see Pete play.
I think the next day we saw a Flames game there since we were visiting Atlanta for the weekend. I could not understand what the big deal was with "Underground Atlanta."
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"Underground Atlanta."
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Feb 17, 2024, 2:44 PM
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Even 20 years ago it was a fun and fairly safe play to go.
One night there saw a kid covering Otis Redding that was beyond belief.
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Re: "Underground Atlanta."
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Feb 17, 2024, 2:47 PM
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We visited in the 1970s, it hadn't been a thing for very long and there wasn't a whole lot there then, but Dad said we had to go check it out.
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You don't want to go there now...***
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Re: You don't want to go there now...***
Feb 18, 2024, 6:14 PM
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I go to the Masquerade quite often for metal shows. I park at the garage right at the entrance. I have never felt uncomfortable. They have cleaned a lot of it up and there is a decent amount of security there.
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Re: "Underground Atlanta."
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Feb 17, 2024, 4:08 PM
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Went there in 2017... it is a shell of its former self...
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Re: Got to see him play in Atlanta at the Omni.
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I saw him play against Clemson in Littlejohn. We’held’ him to 38 points. He put on a show before the game during warmups of dribbling and shooting I’ll never forget. Tried a shot from mid court. SWISH. Tried two from mid court sideline. Made one of two. Side note, our freshmen played Gardner Webb in the preliminary game. They had an unknown 7’3” center named Artis Gilmore. Remember him?
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Re: Got to see him play in Atlanta at the Omni.
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Feb 17, 2024, 7:42 PM
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I remember Artis Gilmore. Went on to play for Jacksonville. They finished second to UCLA in 1970 I think it was.
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Underground Atlanta
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Feb 18, 2024, 6:23 PM
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Thanks for bringing up the memories. I had almost forgotten about going there in early 70s (or late 60s) with the family on our yearly vacation to see the Braves , Six Flags, and Stone Mountain. All I can remember about UA is a pizza place and I believe a wax museum. Could be remembering wrong - over 50 years ago - yikes!
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I do seem to remember Pistol Pete shooting about a hundred times a game, though.
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Feb 17, 2024, 2:28 PM
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So, Clark may still have not shot the rock as many total times as him.
(Don't know for sure, but he DID hoist it up a whole bunch, for sure.)
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Re: I do seem to remember Pistol Pete shooting about a hundred times a game, though.
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Feb 17, 2024, 2:38 PM
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He was coached by his Pop. In the day no one could handle the ball and charge the basset like he could. I suspect his percentage was high, he also led most games in assists, was not a ball hog.
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Re: Not to nitpick, but Sports-Reference.com says
Feb 19, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Good stat comparison. An LSU coach charted Pete’s shots at LSU. Had there been a 3 point line he would averaged 57 points per game. He would’ve at least scored 4731 points. And if he could have played varsity his freshman year he probably would’ve topped 6,000 total points!! You could also argue he would scored even more with a three point line because he would’ve consciously known to take 3 point shots. It’s not crazy to hypothesize Pete would’ve scored in the 6,500 point range all things even.
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Re: I do seem to remember Pistol Pete shooting about a hundred times a game, though.
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He did. His dad designed the entire game around force feeding him the ball even at the detriment of the team's success. He never played an NCAA tournament game and in his first two years LSU was an outright bad basketball team.
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It's amazing how small those guys were back when
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Feb 17, 2024, 2:58 PM
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At least in terms of their upper body.
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Yeah regimented strength training for teams
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Feb 17, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Wasn’t really a thing until the 90s. Or even the 00s
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And walking....It is amazing how many times players walk during a game now. If
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Feb 17, 2024, 4:20 PM
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you watch a guy AFTER he picks up his dribble. If he stands stationery and then changes pivot foot...refs never even notice...They look like 5 year old kids who have never played....
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I saw him his rookie season.
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Feb 17, 2024, 3:02 PM
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in 1970 at Alexander Memorial Coliseum with the Atlanta Hawks. Early in his first NBA season and still getting used to the pro game, but a showman nonetheless. Teammates were Walt Bellamy, Lou Hudson, and Walt Hazard and Richie Guerin was the player/coach, I believe. A different era back then.
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Re: Pete Maravich --
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Pete had an older brother named Ronnie, who was a very good player as wall. As best I recall, Ronnie played at Western Carolina but didn’t finish school there. Ronnie later opened a bar in New Orleans. I never knew Ronnie, but I got to know Pete well. We worked together at several basketball camps one summer and became pretty good friends during that period of time.
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She actually plays a lot like Pete
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His former assistant coach, Dale Brown, went back through the old shot charts and and determined he’d average about 57 per game. It would be a more interesting debate if Clark took nearly 40 shots per game like pete did, also if someone like Lebron or Kobe played 3 years of college ball like he did. Both took their teams to NBA finals appearances by the age of 20. Apples to oranges debate, too many outside factors. Women’s basketball is beautiful to watch, the great John Wooden said it’s basketball at its most pure form and was his favorite to watch, due to the fundamentals and execution. One this that isn’t debatable is that Clark is the best shooter in college basketball today, men’s or women’s.
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Re: She actually plays a lot like Pete
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As a team player you do what the coach asks of you. Pete did not have a great supporting cast.
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Airy of the point
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Feb 17, 2024, 4:28 PM
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Clark hasn’t had great support around her and took her team to a national championship game while not shooting 40 shots a game, probably would have won it if the coach told her to.
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sort of
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Feb 17, 2024, 4:32 PM
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Not airy lol
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if the coach told her to
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Feb 17, 2024, 5:56 PM
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Why be like the stupid media and make it Pete vs her? She is great, but she is not Pete. Both are great players we might not see again. I think Pete is better, you think different - good fun, enjoy both. She is so good that even the fake males now dominating many sports can't touch her.
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Re: if the coach told her to
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Feb 17, 2024, 6:28 PM
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I never said he or she was better… just can’t compare the two due to many different circumstances.
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Feb 17, 2024, 6:57 PM
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Before I put you on "ignore" you silently put a TD on all my posts.
Now you are forced to post in the open to disagree with all I post.
This is much better -- "Thanks Tnet gods".
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I can’t TD, I don’t pay ….. why is this a contentious debate?
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What did I say that made him a ######
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Id prefer we Clemson fans get along.
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Feb 17, 2024, 11:51 PM
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There are some scumbags here, but not a lot. I consider you both good people and fans.
Idk why that can’t be enough. I’ve asked and I’m still without an answer.
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Re: if the coach told her to
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lol "fake males dominating sports". Put the OAN down dude.
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Yeah but his toxic masculinity
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cancels all of those accomplishments out. They likely should be blotted from the books, and his statue should be removed, oppressive male dominant symbol that it is.
In the future, please check your cismale bias at the door and renew your mind around the new normatives before questioning the validity of a binary female'a accomplisgments.
The Party thanks you in advance.
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Re: Yeah but his toxic masculinity
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I have mentioned this before but my brother attended Clemson during Coach Maravich's years. Pistol Pete was just a kid then, maybe 12 years old, but every time you saw him, he was dribbling a basketball around campus and downtown. No wonder he could handle a ball so well. Constant practice.
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One of my close friends who recently passed away was there too. He said he
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remembers hearing him dribbling the ball in the movie theater during the movie...
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As a teenager I saw Pete play for the Hawks
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Feb 17, 2024, 4:15 PM
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At the Omni. He wore goggles that night because he had Bell's Palsy. And Bellamy and Jerry Sloan got in a fight that night.
Everyone else on our high school team wore Converse, but I wore Pro Keds because he did.
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Great point, Tugaloo. Pete was an unbelievable talent, and too bad he didn’t come to Clemson.
I once went to a talk by John Wooden who praised Pete’s skill, but Wooden pointed out that no team has ever won a national championship that also had the nation’s leading scorer. Wooden valued teamwork more. That was in 1978. Not sure if that statement still holds.
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Wooden and Press Maravich were good friends, which is interesting since Wooden never used profanity, and Press was just the opposite. Wooden was at one of the camps where I worked.
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too bad he didnt come to Clemson
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His Pop told him he would shoot him in the head with a .45 if he did not play for him at LSU.
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Re: too bad he didnt come to Clemson
Feb 19, 2024, 12:11 AM
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in today's world his dad would have been fired and hung out to dry just for saying that.
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Kinda a funny Wooden quote considering it wasn't "teamwork" that kept Kareem from leading the nation in scoring - it was beating the crap out of everyone so badly he didn't need to play 35+ night in and night out. Kareem could have scored 50 a night and UCLA still would have walked to those 3 championships.
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Feb 17, 2024, 8:19 PM
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Looking at stats from Kareem’s (aka Lew Alcindor back then) senior season when the Bruins went 29-1 and won the national championship, no doubt he led the team in scoring with double the points over the next leading scorer. But he only averaged 24 ppg while the team averaged 84 ppg.
Only 3 players averaged in double figures on that team. While no doubt Kareem could have scored more, I think the stats bear out Wooden’s comment that national champions seldom have the leading scorer in the country. He was a special talent for sure, but Wooden won 10 national championships and never had the leading scorer.
BTW, in that same talk, Wooden said his policy was to never visit a player in his home. But he admitted he made an exception with Alcindor. He smiled as he said that. So no doubt he was a special player.
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In Kareem's freshman year he was second in the nation in scoring. He absolutely would have led the nation if he played nearly 40 minutes a night like Jimmy Walker.
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I don’t disagree with your point. Tigerfan. Kareem was definitely a scoring machine everywhere he played. He probably could have led the nation in scoring more than once if Wooden had wanted it.
I think Wooden’s larger, unstated point was that a team cannot ride one horse to the national title. You have to have a great cast to do that. Pete Maravich didn’t always have that but you can bet UCLA did. I remember watching all those Bruin teams whenever we could get them. They were unbelievably good from top to bottom.
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Played pickup games with him in the Y gym
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He was about 5'9" in the eighth grade and I could almost keep up with him. He hit a growth spurt over the summer and was about 6'2" as a freshman at Daniel. I wasn't close anymore.
He used to practice the "showtime" passes in the gym aiming at a particular brick and being upset if he didn't hit the right brick.
Someone did a review of his college games and said if the 3 pointer was in effect he would have averaged over 50 per game.
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Re: Played pickup games with him in the Y gym
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An LSU coach charted his shots over the 3 seasons and said if the 3 point line had been in play Pete would’ve averaged 57 per game. 57 per game X 83 games = 4,731 points in 3 years!! Freshmen were not allowed to play varsity back then. If he had played 4 years varsity with a 3 point line it’s likely he would’ve scored over 6,000 points!!! Puts the all time scoring crown in a different light.
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Re: Pete Maravich --
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A lot of those points also apply to any men’s college basketball player who might break his record today. And I agree. Really wonder how some of those guys who played years ago would fare with today’s shot clocks, 3 point shots, and playing 5-7 or maybe even more years.
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Really wonder
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Feb 17, 2024, 6:32 PM
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the game has changed, and I don't think for the better.
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An enforced European lane
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Feb 17, 2024, 7:31 PM
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Might open up the inside and bring the 2 point shot back
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Thanks for this, I actually got to play with Pete in my backyard
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We were neighbors on Highland Dr. in Clemaon. I was at DW Daniel HS and graduated in 1962, and Pete was a sophomore or a freshman then. I saw him grow into a BBall players, as he carried a ball with him everywhere he went and adored his Dad the coach. Actually his older brother was taller and stronger, but he rebelled against his Daded, and joined the Marines right after HS. He excelled as a Marine and became a highly rank SGT, about as high an NCO as one could becaome. And he supported Pete's Carerr. When I was at DAniel, we had a very talented 6 ft. 5 guard named Jim Sutherland, who excelled at Clemson along with Randy Mahaffy Randy became an ABA star, while Jim turned down the Pros and became a distinguished MD instead. Pete was late in his growth and looked like a mutt next to Sutherland, as he was only a soph. or freshman when Jim was a senior. However, he did shoot alot at that age. His Dad got a big pay raise to go NC State, then a bigger pay raise to go to LSU as they both wanted Pete to play for them.y
Of course Pete made LSU a hot spot for Basketball, and then played pro there. And if you want to see one of the greatest individual games ever. look up on YouTube when New Orleans (or was he playing for Atlanta then?). Anyway, Pete scored 66 points against NY Knicks who had the best defensive team in the NBA. They had Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Bill Bradley, etc. He would have scored a bit more if 3 pt. was allowed. Late in his career, when his physical ability was diminished, Red Aurbach hired him, calling him the best ball handler he had ever seen. One can see his amazing ball handling in that Knicks game which is easily found on YouTube. I watch it occasionally just to remind myself that Passionate Will has so much to do with one's success in life. Pete died coaching on a Court at a Christain School. At his autopsy, it was found he a a congenital heart problem that is usually fatal by the time one is a young adult. What an inspiration Pete's life is...
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Fun fact: He went to Daniel
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Feb 18, 2024, 1:03 AM
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A lot of y'all love to crap on my high school, but we have produced some pretty talented athletes here and there...
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But Caitlyn Clark is more masculine looking than pet.
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Saw his last high school game in state championship in Greensboro NC. They played the 5A championship game the day of the ACC Championship that night. Double OT I think he took every shot in the OTs.
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I was lucky enough to see our "Pistol Pete vs Butch Zatezalo" game in Charlotte when I was in high school. The place was packed way before the game just to see the warmups.
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Childhood idol for sure. I tried copy the bank shots I read about him making at the YMCA gym on campus. Was sort of crushed when he had an off night on his return to Littlejohn but he still flashed the ball handling and no look passes unlike anyone. Saw him again at Alexander Memorial in ATL when he first started with the Hawks and he had all the moves. Great player and great memories. Of course if the 3 point shot were in effect he would have averaged well over 50 per game at LSU.
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I saw Pete play in Clemson my freshman year, 1968. He was an amazing ball handler.
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Re: Pete Maravich --
Feb 18, 2024, 6:19 PM
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Apples and hamburgers. Two completely different records. They can't be discussed in the same breath.
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He was a special player, no doubt about it.***
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Feb 19, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Re: Pete Maravich --
Feb 19, 2024, 1:04 PM
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Did you know if they had a three-point line back then, Pistol Pete would have scored more points?
I remember reading that somewhere...
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