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If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 6:17 AM
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is watching game film to learn formations and plays, also?
Asking for a friend... ??
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 6:38 AM
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I kind of compare it to "holding". It's only stealing if your caught doing it.
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 8:00 AM
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Any coach not stealing signs should be fired. It's like paying taxes. Why do people do it when you don't have to? I want Clemson to have every advantage possible.
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It’s not cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 7:17 AM
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If one side holds up a picture of a poop emoji and they ran the same dive between the center and left guard, you can’t be upset when teams send 3 people into that gap.
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Coach V needs to have a capable base defense set when ....
Jan 7, 2021, 7:23 AM
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the opposing offense comes to the LOS. Tigers defense looked confused on more plays than I initially thought. Out thinking opposing offenses should be a secondary tactic to simply outplaying them.
JMO ... Coach V is more than capable to figure this out.
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 7:30 AM
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There is no rule against stealing signs. It is not cheating.
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 8, 2021, 7:56 PM
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In the NFL it is cheating. And it should in college football.
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So if the coach on the sideline yelled playcalls
Jan 8, 2021, 10:30 PM
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to the offense and we made adjustments based on what he said, would that be cheating?
It's ridiculous to think that signals displayed in the open for the world to see should be off limits.
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get more creative with your signals. problem solved.***
Jan 7, 2021, 7:43 AM
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Orange Blooded [2597]
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Re: get more creative with your signals. problem solved.***
Jan 7, 2021, 8:29 AM
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It is like posting a tweet. If one puts out there to be read, expect it to be by the people one least wants to read it. It is public consumption.
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Re: get more creative with your signals. problem solved.***
Jan 7, 2021, 8:47 AM
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I don't get why teams don't take the same signs they used for certain plays in previous games, and use those to run a completely different play. Either that or use the sign to run a certain play in the 1st quarter, and use the same sign to run a different play in the 4th. You could obviously explain to your team ahead of time that the sign means something different depending on what quarter it's used. If a DC was stealing signs at that point then you could really use this to burn them.
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It is not cheating...
Jan 7, 2021, 8:33 AM
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It is a team poorly disguising what they plan to do.
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 8:40 AM
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Agreed. There's a reason why teams try to disguise their signs. It's the same reason coaches cover their mouths when speaking into their headsets. It's because they know other teams are trying to get any advantage they can get.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 8:55 AM
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I wonder how detailed of sign reading the coaches can get. I'm assuming they aren't able to necessarily tell the exact play that's being called, but rather they may be able to pick up on something that gives them a good idea if the play is going to be a run or pass. Meaning, if you know a pass is coming up you can call for a certain type of blitz.
I've always assumed though that BV is simply waiting to see what type of formation the offense comes out with and makes an educated guess off of that for his own call.
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Paw Warrior [4607]
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 7, 2021, 9:40 AM
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It seems that Ohio State did a better job of stealing our signs than we did theirs. One way to stop that is to go back to running in plays with a different wide receiver or running back. Problem solved.
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I would consider stealing signs to be an offshoot of good
Jan 7, 2021, 9:57 AM
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film study. But, I would discount its value, and, if that is relied on as part of stategy, it is a crutch and poor shortcut to really doing your homework and being prepared. Signs can quickly be changed, or, teams can do what Ohio State did, and huddle. Or, you could do what the Old Ball Sac and others did, have players swap out and bring in the play on just about every snap. So much for sign stealing.
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Paw Warrior [4758]
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Stealing signs is wrong !!
Jan 7, 2021, 6:49 PM
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period
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 8, 2021, 4:28 PM
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No, it is not cheating the way Clemson did it. The issue is that Clemson was better at it then everyone. And that was a real positive for them. But then when other teams realized that Clemson was very good at stealing signs- and it took years I suppose- I don't know- Clemson's D has looked very pedestrian.
Ohio State ran through Clemson when they utilized huddle and quick count. I have a feeling other teams will copy strategy. Now we will see how good is Venables without sign stealing? He wasn't very good in Sugar Bowl.
He will have to coach his players better with fundamentals and less according to adjusting to opposing team signals.
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"SAME PLAY, OTHER SIDE!"
Jan 8, 2021, 4:32 PM
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Uh, coach? W T F?
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Re: If stealing signs is cheating
Jan 8, 2021, 11:02 PM
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Good poast
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