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I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:27 PM
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I dont recall any QBs getting ran over by Dabo like Cade has since he arrived on campus. DJ made ungodly bad mistakes as a junior and never got treated like this by Dabo. Never did Dabo call out DJ specifically for bad decisions or messing up a play. It was a bad start for the fan base off the rip many were divided to begin with and a good 40% of the fans believe DJ should not have been benched for Cade. This kid is not getting a fair chance to take his lumps by his coach or his teams fan base. Its sad to see. Im most disappointed in Dabo, seems like he and Cade arent on the same page at all. Almost like a defiant son father relationship at times.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:31 PM
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Totally agree and have noticed this since day one. Dabo almost acts like he is threatened by Cade or something. It is really weird the way Dabo treats him. Would not surprise me one bit if Cade is on a plane back to Austin the day after the season ends and we never see him again. Seems like that is what Dabo wants. He has resented Cade's presence ever since he got here.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:33 PM
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Im not going that far but he sure does not protect him like he has with other QBs and you can see them disagreeing or being irritated with one another on the sidelines in games. Crazy bc i dont see Cade as the type to have a bad attitude outside of those few moments with Dabo.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:37 PM
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I noticed that too. Especially after his performance at the ACC champ game Dabo almost seemed annoyed.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:53 PM
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Funny you mention it. Thought same thing last year. It’s like that one kid in your Sunday School that irritates you and you can’t figure why.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:43 PM
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These comments are interesting. It never crossed my mind. Why would he be threatened by Cade or even have resentment? Maybe because he made a fool of Dabo last year?
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Tiger Spirit [9386]
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 23, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Not sure if he feels threatened, but Cade comes from the opposite background as Dabo. His Dad is an executive and they live in a $3 million dollar house back in Austin. We all know Dabo’s struggles early in life.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:58 PM
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Dabo’s relationships. He obviously deals with many personality types and parents and egos simultaneously.
DJ was a mental basket case and could not take a scolding the way others have or will. I don’t think TL ever deserved a butt chewing.
Now think about this: Cade has not only put the ball on the ground, he has changed plays at critical times, costing us dearly.
He may need a little sandpaper to grow up and realize that the situation dictates whether you change a play, as much as the defense does.
Whatever it takes to calm him down at clutch times, needs to be done. If hit hits the portal, and I don’t think he will, he hits the portal.
I don’t ever remember a Clemson QB making so many mental errors inside the 5, both ours and theirs. So it’s good that they aren’t all warm and fuzzy right now. Let Dabo handle Dabo.
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Re: Dont Think You Can Manage
Oct 24, 2023, 2:48 AM
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He changed a play once, you took the liberty of cubing the # of plays Cade had changed based on 1 other (briefly called into earlier in the season that both parties stated was a read option. DJ's play book was simplified to the extreme; 3 plays without variation.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:34 PM
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It is strange. I feel that way too Obviously, he wasn’t wrong about Cade not being ready when DJU was our starter
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YEP, saw strangeness from Dabo after ACCCG win when
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:38 PM
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he was less than his cheery self and gave Cade very little credit on TV for a stunning performance & huge win.
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Cades performance that night was an indictment on
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:42 PM
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How Dabo handled the QB position.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:41 PM
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Idk if i agree with that tbh. I think if they let Cade take over and get through last year there may have been more losses but this year would look ALOT different. It was painfully obvious DJ was not a playoff caliber QB after the Syracuse game. Why not start working Cade in for real after that and give him some 1st team reps. Now this year is basically Cades freshmen year, they even reported that he did not practice with the #1s until the bowl game. May as well have redshirted him with how they mishandled his snaps.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:39 PM
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Say what you want, but Cade has made some boneheaded decisions. He has plenty of talent but the judgement is suspect. No surprise that Dabo gets frustrated.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:43 PM
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Im going back to last year even man. After Cade and Shipley bailed the team out from a typical DJ meltdown in an important game Dabo wanted to completely ignore the kids effort and minimize what he meant that game.
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Orange Phenom [14285]
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You people must be talking about someone I havent heard of
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:41 PM
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Is there another Cade on the team; maybe a long snapper? He took it upon himself to change a play without authorization and ended the game. Now there were a dozen other plays that we didn’t make that if we had would have kept us out of that position; but, the plain fact is that at the most important time of the game he willfully went against direction. He’s lucky he’s still the starter.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:45 PM
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In the "old" days, he would be lucky to still be on the team
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:46 PM
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The old days? Before Dabo or Bowden? Because Dabo has a "love shack" for players. And chad kelly and mike Bellamy are from the "old days" and both got multiple chances.
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Re: You people must be talking about someone I havent heard of
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:54 PM
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I'm am an old guy and I was referring to Danny Ford and Charley Pell. Forgive my age
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Re: You people must be talking about someone I havent heard of
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:57 PM
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I hear you and we need the old school guys around too. Balance out the wuss's of the world.
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:45 PM
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You make a good point about all of the other dozen poor playcalls. deflecting all of the poor play and blame onto one player on one play is dumb.
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Orange Phenom [14285]
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Hes not deflecting all of the blame on that one player, BUT be honest
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:50 PM
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Many of those dozen or so other plays were not made by that same player. That goal line play where he was tackled for a safety (bad call by the refs) was one of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen a Clemson QB make. He’s not making smart football plays yet; maybe that’s why Dabo is being hard on him. A lot of guys like being coached hard maybe that’s what he responds to.
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Re: Hes not deflecting all of the blame on that one player, BUT be honest
Oct 23, 2023, 8:52 PM
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Maybe so. The issue with that play was how badly the i believe RT got beat off the snap though. Another point id like to make, you have a struggling OT, why not put ennis over there to help him? Looked like when Chad Morris left Brandon Thomas on an island vs Clowney and made 0 attempt to help the guy.
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Re: Hes not deflecting all of the blame on that one player, BUT be honest
Oct 23, 2023, 9:31 PM
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Criticizing and putting the entire loss on a guy are 2 different things. Honestly Dabo should not have made that public knowledge. Should have been handled in house. Dabo is one of the best coaches in the buisness he knows saying the last play of the game was "rogue" is going to end with that player being blamed for the loss by most fans and even some media.
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Re: Hes not deflecting all of the blame on that one player, BUT be honest
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Explaining a play isn’t putting the entire loss on him, please show me one clip of Dabo saying it’s Cades fault. Dabo isn’t at the mercy of your interpretations.
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I personally think that Dabo sells Clemson to the parents and makes promises that he keeps ..... even when he shouldn’t! You can’t win big time football games without some really tough, bad #### guys. It’s great to have these wonderful young men who are great students with a clean record of being a faithful teenager but you win big games with tough guys willing to give their all every Saturday. Big, tough guys who love to kick #### every Saturday wins games.
Dabo has made our team a front page story every Sunday morning but you can’t keep doing that with the choir boys who are more interested in winning the sword drill than defeating a big time opponent. Football is not for wussies.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:49 PM
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Cade doesn't have a Big Dave scaring the s hit out of Dabo. Maybe Cade feels like he had better coaches in HS and he probably did.
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:53 PM
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From what i saw him doing in Texas id say they had a better scheme, sad to say but this dive and screen scheme is manure.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:00 PM
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Cade is making poor high school decisions at QB. This started at Notre Dame and has continued to Miami.
Intental grounding calls; busted exchanges between qb and running backs; RPO in FSU game OT; saftey gift that the refs gave us in Miami; I can name many more.
He is not in command under pressure.
I realize the OL line is not worth a $$$hit this season; however, you can't keep giving the ball to the other team.
Bench him!
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 23, 2023, 10:52 PM
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At ND, it was very windy and his receiver made no attempt to get to the ball and catch it or knock it down.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:01 PM
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Dabo has been complimentary of Cade. Just last week he said that Cade prepares as well as any QB we have had at Clemson. Last year all he would say was that Cade was not ready.
He was fair toward him about choosing to pass on the RPO against FSU on the goal line. He said it was a bad read but some of that was on he and the coaches.
His response to Cade going into business for himself and running a naked bootleg straight into two defenders when the play call was a give to the RB was pretty reserved. I would imagine because he was still in shock in the postgame interview that his QB would not run the play that called.
The final play of the game Saturday Night cemented that Cade not only was not ready then, he is still not ready. A lot of talent there, but he is not so talented that he can playground it around and win a ball game by himself. Hopefully, Saturday Night was a hard lesson he can learn from and get better.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:04 PM
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The fsu game he blamed cade for not handing it off, the read was right for the call, 2 blockers on 1 defender. So i respectfully disagree with your assessment.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:28 PM
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Lmfao he didn’t blame him once again he said he should’ve handed it off but the coaches shouldn’t of given him an option on that play. So by your standards he should never bring Cades name up unless he’s singing his praises.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 23, 2023, 9:34 PM
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By my standards a top tier coach should not be leaving something like that up to interperatation. Dabo should say it was an rpo we thought we could get 6 inches on a handoff but Cade saw the numbers we gotta block better on the perimeter.
Which would be a factual statement and not open to interpreting as Cade "sucks and makes bad reads".
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:54 PM
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I’m just lost at the type of person who’s going to internet a coach saying “it’s on us coaches” then explaining the way the play should have happened as “Cade sucks”. At no point of Cade being here has Dabo ever said Cade sucks or spoken a bad word about him. He actually gets criticized on social media for continually saying Cade going to be a great one and win a lot of football games. Also think he understands Cade isn’t mentally weak. But hey for all I know Dabo wants to throw Cade in the middle of the ocean then roll out 🤷♂️
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 23, 2023, 10:17 PM
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i didnt specify well. Im saying fans and media say Cade sucks. (Which i completely disagree with, really think this kid can be great). Dabo thankfully has never outright said a player sucks.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 10:21 PM
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Also i dont think Dabo resents Cade, as i said its almost like a father son relationship where they are in that butting heads phase. I just find it strange how hard he has been on Cade publicly when that has rarely been Dabos MO.
Youre probably right though and i hope youre right, Cade has a similar personality to Dabo and maybe thats why Dabo feels he can be harder on him.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:07 PM
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I think CDS knows how good CK2 can be and is trying to push him to realize his potential. Maybe getting called out is what works to motivate Cade
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:09 PM
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Hopefully this is true. I think Dabo is a good man and a great coach but the last 3 years have been very strange to me.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:08 PM
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I agree with your perspective and have thought it’s weird how he coddled DJ and jumps all over Cade. Could it be that Cade doesn’t follow the plays often, so Dabo is making a point of calling him out?
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:10 PM
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Maybe he is improvising and free lancing too much. Idk but it is a strange trend since the kid made his debut.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:11 PM
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Also maybe he knows that CK is man enough to take it whereas DJ probably wasn’t. I don’t mean that as an insult, just saying they’re way different personalities
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:16 PM
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Lol man y’all crack me up, listen to his radio show tonight all he did was back and support Cade. Cade legitimately pulled a ball that NOBODY not even the players on the field expected all Dabo did was say what happened. Said tonight that Cade is the most compliment kid on the team and that he’s just young thought he saw something that he didn’t. Made a point to rave on Cade to the caller because he said he doesn’t want a narrative out their about Cade that could be further from the truth. I swear y’all honestly believe that looking at a screen for five seconds or hearing a clip that you can dissect an entire relationship it’s wild
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:20 PM
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I typically agree with you, this is one of those rare instances where i do not. This a trend going back all the way to the GT game last year. Dabo has down played this kid and ran him over publicly more times than any other player than i can remember. Dabo has no choice now but to slow down the narrative HE STARTED about his qb not being compliant, he has no one else behind Cade. Its going to become a distraction if he (Dabo) cant reel it in. People will begin to say hes lost the locker room and every bad play will be questioning if it was a "rogue QB".
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 23, 2023, 9:31 PM
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Dabo used to go off on Kelly Bryant
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 23, 2023, 9:37 PM
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I dont recall that. He tried fighting to keep KB as a starter over TLaw from what i remember just could not stop TLaw from shining.
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Oct 23, 2023, 10:29 PM
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How long should dabo coddle this kid?
How many dumb plays do you get before “the secret” gets out?
Making mistakes is one thing, but picking your own play on 4th down at the end of 2 games and expecting not to get tire marks on your back is living in lala land.
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
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Oct 23, 2023, 11:02 PM
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There is something odd about how Dabo criticizes Cade. Some of you guys are going too far with your wild speculation. But Dabo heaped praise on DJ when he stunk, and rarely praises Cade.
I'm not going to speculate as to why.
But I am not blaming Cade for all the fumbles. Shipley took the blame for a prior fumble when he grabbed and wanted the ball that Cade was trying to pull.
And if Cade really saw something at the end of 2nd OT, and he had successfully run I'm for a TD, would Dabo have heaped praise on Cade for being smart? I wonder. But I guess going forward, Cade might do just what coaches tell him to do ... and no more.
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Good grief. Why dont we just create some more drama.***
Oct 24, 2023, 5:00 AM
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Re: I find how Dabo handles Cade bizzare.
Oct 24, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Dabo is in quicksand and he will grab on to anyone or anything to keep his head above water.
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