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Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 6:38 PM
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So paying attention to anything they write is a waste of time. Their bias gives them no credibility. Clemson could win the national title and they'd rank Dabo about 10th in the ACC. It is comical.
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 6:42 PM
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I would like to know their criteria. It it's running a program and being the face and doing things the right way - he would be 1st.
If it's actually the ability to coach the game, then 10 Prolly too high.
He has found his niche.....it's not teaching the game on the field.
As CEO- he's irreplaceable.
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 6:44 PM
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In a word ... GREAT... assistants.
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 6:52 PM
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I believe his coaching acumen has gotten better through working with the assistants that he has hired. The man is smart , super detail oriented and has been ever so dedicated to getting better each day at Clemson. I have to believe that in terms of X/O's he is better than most believe.
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i think anyone that doesn't think he can coach football is
Feb 21, 2015, 6:53 PM
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an idiot.
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He's a way better recruiter, IMHO; I think we should argue
Feb 21, 2015, 6:59 PM
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about that sometime.
Not tonight, though, sweetheart; my back's sore.
I know you understand.
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he's the best closer in the business, not my words...
Feb 21, 2015, 7:02 PM
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and yes, of course i do.
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Re: i think anyone that doesn't think he can coach football is
Feb 21, 2015, 8:11 PM
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lot of people wanna give credibility to slurriers cheap shot years ago when ron morris asked slurrier if he thought about hiring an offensive coordinator because chad morris was being successful at clemson....slurrier responded that if he hired an oc then he would just be a mouth like dabo and that he wasnt just a mouth he was a coach.......of coarse he also insulted 99% of all head coaches in ncaa and nfl who have ocs........ive heard some so called clemson fans repeat the line that dabo isnt a coach, hes a mouth piece not realizing that that train of thought came from slurrier.......i always thought that a head coaches job was to hire good assistants and manage a program.....as far as i can see dabo has done all that......i wouldnt want anybody else running our program.
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i understand there were a lot of people that were
Feb 21, 2015, 8:19 PM
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disappointed clemson, tdp & barker didn't hire "brand name" coach. it was a HUGE risk on the admin's part to the general public, but not to them.
dabo's detractors have become less and less vocal as he continues to push aside a lot of the "old nonsense" - yes, he had growing pains and yes, he probably has made mistakes.
the death grip those detractors hold on any remaining slights is pretty comical, one of those is dabo isn't an x and os guy or he's a cheerleader only.
it's gotten pretty boring after 5 or 6 years.
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Re: i understand there were a lot of people that were
Feb 21, 2015, 8:34 PM
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You want ever catch me calling him a cheerleader. He is good at what he does. Great actually.
He isn't a very good x and o guy tho. I think that helps him get coordinators actually, because they know they get full rein over their side of the ball. It's actually a draw.
And those meetings were very detailed. I was privy to everything the players were, plus some. The staff would meet in mornings, meet with players around lunch, then practice in afternoons.
I sat there as a young Willy Korn tried to ingest the playbook, 1 formation at a time. I listened to Spence walk them through progressions and reads (his system was quite complicated and patterned after Colts while Payton was there).
I watched cut ups from VT game (thurs night after gameday game) and watched proctor miss throw after throw down the seams. After the players left I asked Spence "I guess if we hit those throws they get out of the 8 man front huh?". He looked me dead in the eye and said "(name), if we could hit those throws, we wouldn't have been 8-4."
Truth.
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Are you the Tim Match guy ?
Feb 21, 2015, 11:38 PM
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Serious question.
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Re: Are you the Tim Match guy ?
Feb 21, 2015, 11:46 PM
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Lol. I have no idea who that is? Ex soccer coach? (If you were asking me that is)
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Re: Darn right..... The guy can coach!*************
Feb 21, 2015, 9:04 PM
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Spurrier calling someone else mouthy is a darn hoot. That man has never been quiet in his lifetime , and when he is gone you will still hear him talking about his own acumen as a football coach and throwing his own players and staff under the bus.
Dabo owns him now ...and that will be evident once again after this next game when we hose him in the Roach.
Happy retirement , scumbag.
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Re: Darn right..... The guy can coach!*************
Feb 22, 2015, 9:14 AM
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Haven't heard nothing out of him since Watson and crew handed him his drunk ### on a platter.
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Re: And what happened to your "exile" 48% - not even half-in!***
Feb 21, 2015, 7:24 PM
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That doesn't even make sense.
He's not a great teacher of the game. Hence being passed over repeatedly for OC duties. That's no big secret. He would frequently not even attend offensive staff meetings while wr coach. He would go handle "other things" (i.e. recruiting). No one thought anything of it cause they all knew he added nothing to the discussion.
That doesn't make him a bad head coach. In fact, it has no bearing at all on his CEO role. He has found his niche, and he is very good at it (the best in the country imo).
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you should stick to girls sports, your hatred for a coach
Feb 21, 2015, 7:26 PM
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that would walk the dog on you is disgusting.
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Re: you should stick to girls sports, your hatred for a coach
Feb 21, 2015, 7:30 PM
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Why you think I hate dabo? He is awesome at what he does. Him not being a great x and o guy doesn't mean I hate him. It's just the way it is. If he were a great x and o guy, then I would say so.
And I would love to sit down and talk the game with him. I tried actually, but he wasn't in the meeting room the WEEK I spent with the staff.
just sayin'
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Re: you should stick to girls sports, your hatred for a coach
Feb 21, 2015, 7:43 PM
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Does you " spending a week with the STAFF " mean that the closet door has blown off....and there you are ?
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he's cried for years that dabo pay him no attention in a
Feb 21, 2015, 7:46 PM
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marketing meeting or some such nonsense.
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Re: Just curious...
Feb 21, 2015, 8:00 PM
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> Why did you spend "a week with the staff"? Who are
> you that you would even be in a position to have a
> week-long meeting with our football coaches?
Any coach can call and request to sit in on meetings. It was professional development for me. I had a blast! It was neat seeing how things work and how organized those guys are. Eye opener for sure.
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Dabo was a pretty solid WR Coach
Feb 21, 2015, 8:01 PM
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Before being CEO. He may not be a PLAYCALLER, but he's a very good Coach.
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That makes no sense
Feb 21, 2015, 8:08 PM
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Why would ANY coaching staff just open up their planning & strategy meetings to someone just because they ask to attend the meetings? Someone who could share that proprietary information with anyone, including other football progams. Why the he# would they risk that??
If "how things work" and the level of "organization" were such a revelation to you, how much can you really know about coaching anyway?
I call BS on all of it.
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well, it's not bs. i can't speak for every coaching staff,
Feb 21, 2015, 8:13 PM
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but it is one way dabo and clemson has opened up recruiting lines with high school staffs all over the southeast.
clemson's football camps have become destinations for these hs. it's a huge deal. clemson's offensive staff shares with other colleges and them with clemson. heck, ohio state was in clemson a couple years ago. clemson's defensive staff was at alabama & tamu last week.
nfl team's have come to sit with the clemson staff on exchanging ideas. it's a huge deal to open up[not the bible], but their processes for others to share and see how they benefit the whole.
it's a huge benefit to all.
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Re: well, it's not bs. i can't speak for every coaching staff,
Feb 21, 2015, 8:18 PM
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And this took place under the prior regime. And it was during spring ball where general concepts are installed. The meetings were on installation for spring practice then I got to attend said practices. Nothing close to game planning for a specific team.
And the revelation was to things that hs coaches aren't privy to: video team and ga's and all the ground work and staff it takes to prepare for 1 practice. It's quite amazing.
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it is, i'd love to sit through it "today". it's amazing the
Feb 21, 2015, 8:22 PM
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staff increases dabo has been able to get clemson to buy into and it's not like clemson was wake when bowden was here, save on the field...
smh
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Re: it is, i'd love to sit through it "today". it's amazing the
Feb 21, 2015, 9:06 PM
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> staff increases dabo has been able to get clemson to
> buy into and it's not like clemson was wake when
> bowden was here, save on the field...
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> smh
Agree DSP. If I were still pursuing football, then those meetings today would be even more impressive. Would be a good learning experience.
I go to as many clinics as I can. We never get too old to learn.
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Re: it is, i'd love to sit through it "today". it's amazing the
Feb 21, 2015, 9:07 PM
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Maybe Ol Ball Zac should do like Dabo and find some better assistants ...you know , because Whammy.
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Re: it is, i'd love to sit through it "today". it's amazing the
Feb 21, 2015, 9:13 PM
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Spurrier arrogance has always been his downfall. It's all good if they winning, but if not......
Was same way AT UF
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The prior regime??
Feb 21, 2015, 8:25 PM
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You mean the Bowden regime? And if so, you're using the fact that he wasn't at these meetings as a substantive reason to doubt his football knowledge today? He may have been on vacation, or out recruiting, who knows?
Still not hearing a lot of tangible evidence as to why you are so skeptical of Dabo's football knowledge. Just because he doesn't call the plays? Is that it? A lot of coaches defer that to their OC.
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Re: The prior regime??
Feb 21, 2015, 8:44 PM
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> You mean the Bowden regime? And if so, you're using
> the fact that he wasn't at these meetings as a
> substantive reason to doubt his football knowledge
> today? He may have been on vacation, or out
> recruiting, who knows?
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> Still not hearing a lot of tangible evidence as to
> why you are so skeptical of Dabo's football
> knowledge. Just because he doesn't call the plays?
> Is that it? A lot of coaches defer that to their OC.
He was there. He would come in to a meeting, the leave shortly thereafter. The time he was in there, he said/offered nothing. The other coaches, including still living out of a box Andre (rb coach from unc) Powell, made suggestions and offered thoughts on personnel packages, formation alignment, and even pass pro. Heck, my little peon self even got asked "do you see anything?" And "tell us what you see". Dabo - nothing.
He did leave one day to show a walk on around fike/facilities. Other than that I am sure he was doing things, it was just odd for an offensive assistant to be absent from offensive staff meetings. .....
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Ok, good will / recruiting development is one thing...
Feb 21, 2015, 8:19 PM
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but there's no way in he## that our coaching staff is going to go into any real specific depth about what we're doing to prepare any real depth of strategy. So, I wouldn't expect Dabo (or any of our other coaches) to go to any great detail about those things in these good will / recruiting development meetings. Maybe that's why Dabo wasn't there, because the meetings weren't that relevant to anything truly important to game time X's & O's.
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exactly and i think exiled explained that more above.***
Feb 21, 2015, 8:22 PM
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i already think you're a relative moron, you asking why
Feb 21, 2015, 7:45 PM
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i think you hate him goes no deeper than your idiotic posts about the man over the years. and they continue on and on and on... brownell could not wash dabo's gym shorts.
he was not passed over for anything; experienced coordinators were hired. when alabama and saban came after him he was named asst head coach. his time at clemson was spent preparing for the next step which he found himself in long before any coordinator at clemson at the time; the head coach of clemson university. you don't do that without coaching football.
spence was shown the door posthaste, so much for that joke of being "passed over". the man has been pushed to the forefront since long before the aarp debacle, to prepare for a much larger and more important role. one that takes an understanding of all the pieces and putting those into motion. he hired a friend and quickly realized that friend could not handle the role he was assigned. he fired a friend. you don't hire what he's hired without an amazing understanding of how all of that falls into place unless you have an appreciation for how it plays out on the field.
the sob walked on at alabama for one of bear bryant's original junctions boys. the man knows football, the man continues to prove it each and every day.
he may fail, but it won't be for a lack of x & os or football knowledge, and for you or anyone else to suggest it is laughable to me.
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Re: i already think you're a relative moron, you asking why
Feb 21, 2015, 7:58 PM
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Again- I don't disagree with any of that.
But if athalon is ranking on "teaching" the game, then 10 is about right in the league. Just because their isn't much info out there on his ability to do so.
He is the best in the country at what he currently does. Let that be noted, again, for the record.
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Re: i already think you're a relative moron, you asking why
Feb 21, 2015, 8:05 PM
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I have seen that list. Thought OP may have been referring to fb only post
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that's the only one i've seen on the bored(s), so i may
Feb 21, 2015, 8:06 PM
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have missed an individual one.
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Re: i already think you're a relative moron, you asking why
Feb 21, 2015, 8:18 PM
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I'm curious to know your criteria for assessing Dabo's football IQ? I am not at all disagreeing with you and I have no preconceived notions on Dabo's FB IQ, just wondering if there's anymore substance to this view -- aside from him missing some meetings during a week you were visiting.
It seems there is a very small sample size of him executing a game plan and determining his x/o aptitude. This in and of itself may be self explanatory, but that is all conjecture; and aside from the missed meetings I'm wondering if your viewpoint is as well.
Completely agree about his ability to run a program.
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Re: i already think you're a relative moron, you asking why
Feb 21, 2015, 8:21 PM
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I got to interact with most of the staff during that time. It didn't surprise me when he immediately fired who he fired.
It did seem a bit ironic that his first action was demanding players and coaches to be "All in" when in fact it was widely known that he wasn't on board with previous offensive philosophy.
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i'm pretty sure that's why he got rid of the people he did.
Feb 21, 2015, 8:27 PM
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he wasn't alone, brad scott and his disdain for the 2 point stance was well known.
i loved bowden the man and football coach, but bowden the head coach cost himself and clemson with his undying fealty to coach spence.
his father came close with his brother jeff. i think you win or lose with one voice and dabo was going to make sure that existed; win or lose.
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Re: i already think you're a relative moron, you asking why
Feb 21, 2015, 8:29 PM
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The staff was dysfunctional/disjointed during that time. I was in school at that time and knew a few players and coaches. So, who he fired and why he fired them is more on the TMZ side of sports and we as fans can only speculate on that, rendering most of our opinions moot.
My question is, what is your criteria to determine Dabo is a bad x/o coach?
**players running through a wall for him simply means he's a good leader, that has nothing to do with his football aptitude.
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Re: And what happened to your "exile" 48% - not even half-in!***
Feb 22, 2015, 7:55 AM
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Nice.
Isn't his in reference to Dabo's on-field coaching ability?
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 9:12 PM
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I think you forget that we had some pretty good wide receivers when he was their coach. Jeff Scott has twice the talent at that position that Dabo ever had
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 9:16 PM
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> I think you forget that we had some pretty good wide
> receivers when he was their coach. Jeff Scott has
> twice the talent at that position that Dabo ever had
I'm not gonna get into this because it will lead to more bickering. His wr had good numbers but their fundamentals (ie hand placement and high point skills) were lacking. They showed in the biggest moments too (see Aaron Kelly vs BC). That's when a lack of fundamentals show the most. ..under pressure.
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^^^^^^ Stark raving idiot - this one.***
Feb 21, 2015, 11:47 PM
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Re: ^^^^^^ Stark raving idiot - this one.***
Feb 21, 2015, 11:50 PM
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Nice of you to add so much to the thread. Glad you could stop by. Now, go open another bottle of cheap wine. I'm sure your sister has plenty in the cellar.
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If you don't mind me asking
Feb 22, 2015, 12:20 AM
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Where did you coach at? I believe what your saying is true, im just curious what highschool team you coached at. Also, do you think Dabo left the meetings because he knew this offense wasnt going to work and it wasn't the offense he wanted to work in?
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Re: If you don't mind me asking
Feb 22, 2015, 7:52 AM
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> Where did you coach at? I believe what your saying is
> true, im just curious what highschool team you
> coached at. Also, do you think Dabo left the meetings
> because he knew this offense wasnt going to work and
> it wasn't the offense he wanted to work in?
By some of the comments made by his peers, "he had better things to do" /sarcasm. I have no idea what those things were, outside of showing a walk on around the facilities one particular day.
The fact that he wasn't in that room with them did not settle well tho, that much was obvious.
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Re: Their agenda is whatever it takes to sell their crap.
Feb 21, 2015, 10:59 PM
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Nothing more: nothing less.
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 22, 2015, 12:51 AM
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Thats not what Danny Ford and Gene Stallings say
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 21, 2015, 7:17 PM
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I don't think Clemson has ever had a staff of coaches that love and believe in Clemson starting with Dabo all the way down. Commitment is huge with our team
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So, let us HATE athlon! LOL, and GoTiGERS!
Feb 21, 2015, 8:48 PM
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Beat the Coots again in Nov in WB...66-42!
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In a prior thread on this matter I posted that the article
Feb 22, 2015, 8:27 AM
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was nothing more than lazy writers trying to fill DT with what would be best relegated to the trash heaps of sports' history.
As for Coach Swinney, I've also posted previously that I view his role much as history has viewed Dwight Eisenhower's in WWII...i.e. that of a CEO, managing battlefield commanders. It wasn't as important that Ike was a skilled X's and O's tactician than he was adept at selection and management of staff. Even at that, occasionally, there were miscues. However, he was successful finding the right people for the right roles, then building consensus toward overall strategy.
Thus, I won't argue Coach Swinney's "field" abilities, simply because I really don't care; I do care that he is skilled with staff selection and management, even allowing for an occasional misfire. That our program appears to be heading in the right direction is good enough for me to place a vote of high confidence in him. I might add that often a leader becomes more skillful in the various aspects of his endeavor by surrounding himself with superb managers. Dabo Swinney just might be becoming a better X's and O's coach than we think.
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Re: In a prior thread on this matter I posted that the article
Feb 22, 2015, 8:33 AM
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Totally agree
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that's a nice comparison except dabo got a battlefield
Feb 22, 2015, 8:53 AM
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promotion in 2008 and has led troops into battle including platoons of receivers for many years.
dwight never saw any combat command; dabo has.
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Good morning, old Friend. Yes, you are correct; however,
Feb 22, 2015, 9:10 AM
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Dabo's stint as HC has evolved into more of a CEO role, as many have opined, and hence, why I don't believe it's necessary for him to be a superior X's and O's manager...as long as his field generals are.
That doesn't mean I discredit his abilities; only that I value his talents in staff selection more. And as suggested, I suspect his tactical ablilities are being whettened as time passes.
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it's not a question or necessity for me, it's been a boring
Feb 22, 2015, 9:23 AM
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mantra for those that would like to take swipes at him, not saying you are one.
he had 25ish years front line experience, playing and coaching. dwight did not.
not knowing turnispeed's background before injury cost him a career, his entire bama & clemson background has been football admin/project related. if and when he's named head coach at clemson, is when i'd use a true "dwight" comparison.
oh, and good morning ht. 
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Re: Athlon hates Clemson...
Feb 22, 2015, 9:13 AM
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Who? Exactly never read their garbage. They are the Mel Kiper of college football rankings. Never right.
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