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Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 4:31 PM
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Unless we see a mass exodus of our guys hitting the portal, I'm pretty optimistic for 2025. Sure we'll have some questions but everyone else does too every year.
However just like many of you, I do have concerns about our direction and ooaching in the Defensive side. So here is my question for yall.
Do you hold what you've got for a DC in 2025, thinking that our D will make some big strides? If not then replace?
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Do you fire right now and replace with someone that would be viewed as a good hire?
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Do you say screw it,keep WG for now, thinking that how much worse could our D be In 2025 and reason that BV is gone after 2025, so you quite possibly could get him back. BV has to show some major improvement if he wants to keep his job. I don't believe very many people think h will do enough to remain. They've lost something like 26 to the portal already, I using their QB.
If you replace now, getting BV back is probably not possible.
So what do yall think?
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 4:34 PM
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getting BV back is probably not possible anyway regardless.
It'd be great for us and great for him personally, but I believe his family convinced him to leave and I'm not sure they'd be onboard.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 8:02 PM
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I am sure that at some point Dabo would ask BV if he would come back to Clemson as DC if things don't work out at Oklahoma. BV may take his 40 million payout and retire from football. Or he could take his 40 million and come back to Clemson and help Dabo win another natty just to show Oklahoma he still has it. He may get his sons on staff at Clemson in some capacity to start their training for a coaching career.
I absolutely have to think that Dabo and Brent are still close and Dabo knows what BV is willing to do or is going to do if Oklahoma doesn't work out.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 27, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Dabo and BV remain close friends.
But I don't believe Brent will ever return to Clemson no matter what transpires at OU. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 4:36 PM
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Get a new defensive coordinator... and BV isn't coming back to Clemson...
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 4:41 PM
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You cannot rationalize keeping Goodwin on board.
I’ve tried thinking thru why he should and shouldn’t stay on staff and the reasons he should heavily outweighs the positive.
He’s just in over his head for this level of football.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 27, 2024, 9:44 AM
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Goodwin was on an NFL staff and very successful. The problem isn’t Goodwin, the problem is he is in the wrong job on the staff. He’s an analyst, not a coach, so why has Dabo insisted he’s on the field? Let him go to the box where he can watch and analyze the game.
You guys blame Goodwin when Dabo has put him in the wrong position on the defensive staff. I think Dabo keeps Goodwin, but they rearrange the staff so he can do what he is good at. Get rid of our “co defensive” coordinator and bring in someone else who can develop the guys and help with tackling. He can be on the field jumping around during the game while Wes tells him what to call.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 4:45 PM
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Maybe it’s not Wes’ fault. It’s not like he can step on the field and tackle the ball carrier.
Just saw the news - another defensive player entered the portal. DE is leaving the program. Recruiting numbers are down and Clemson refused to replenish the defense with transfers. Is it possible that Wes Goodwin doesn’t have the pieces to work with?
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 5:42 PM
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It would be my hope that when Dabo and Wes Goodwin sit down to talk about what options exist, Dabo could have enough talking points and film to show coach Goodwin that a change has to be made. At that point, Goodwin can't be thinking he is going to be hired at this point as a DC and be in a better position than staying at Clemson as an analyst...a well-paid analyst. Surely, there must be a capable DC out there that could see the benefits of coming to Clemson and having an proven analyst right from the start. I think most would agree Wes is a good "football" mind, but he cannot present himself as a hardnosed DC to his players. I think it needs to be done now...don't screw around and let Spring practice begin without some new promise for the future.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 27, 2024, 9:55 AM
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I honestly don’t think Wes wants to be a real DC. He can still be the “DC” and have better coaches under him that get their position players to perform on the field better. Wes is supposed to be a defensive genius, so why isn’t he in the box actually watching the games? He can call plays down to someone who jumps around like BV did and have time analyze what he is seeing to make adjustments.
BV was one of a kind. I think Dabo tried to recreate him instead of replacing him and that’s why we have had issues. We need better position coaches who can teach and develop their guys. The DC should be making play calls and adjustments during the game and tackling should be a given.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 6:00 PM
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You are somewhat correct. No he cannot get on the field and tackle, but he can teach it or help his position coaches teach it. He could also teach gap and angles, but he can't teach those things cause he has no experience in those techniques. He's never coached any position, he's never coached period. He's an analyst and by what other coaches have said, a great analyst but being a DC he is way over his head.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 26, 2024, 10:34 PM
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Just one point we did get a big DE transfer hints AJ transferring for hope of more playing time lol just saying. Go Tigers!!
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 5:43 PM
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I think Dabo already has someone in mind to replace Wes just like with Streeter. They may still be coaching in a bowl game, or playoffs so we won’t hear anything until Jan 15ish.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 26, 2024, 5:44 PM
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Fire right now we need someone different now.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 26, 2024, 8:36 PM
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Not until after the 28th you don’t. Why would you do that and let players leave before hearing the plan?
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 26, 2024, 8:15 PM
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I’m pretty sure we’ve seen bad Clemson teams in the 90’s stop the run better than the defense we’ve seen lately. And there’s little reason to believe, personal wise , we’ll see a significant difference on the field next year. Which means we probably should find at least a Vic Konneing if we are set on going anti Brent V.
Hard to believe in the interview, Wes told Dabo “ I know it seems B.V. was successful, but i think we can improve by being less aggressive and allowing the RB to wear himself by going 80 yds twice a game “
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 26, 2024, 8:35 PM
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You wait until after the 28th to freeze your players till spring. You then fire your DC and make a good exciting hire. The dc has roughly 2-3 months to win over the players before the portal opens back up.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
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Dec 13, 2022, 6:26 AM
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Lmao that ship has sailed ...Venables is gone for good. You have a better chance at hitting the lottery.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 26, 2024, 8:53 PM
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I don’t think you keep a guy based on another guy possibly getting canned … I’m not saying BV would never come back bc honestly I believe he and his family loved it here and OU was the only job we were losing him to imo… but if you look the defensive stats it’s been a steady decline since Wes took over and not even stats but the biggest thing for me is the diff in mentality of the defense… sure BV had a few bad games that happens , but that defense swarmed and tackled and he developed guys that weren’t necessarily household names every year . I miss the days of seeing 4-5 orange jerseys around the ball. That is a mentality that is directly related to the mindset and attitude of their coach and I just don’t think wes has that… I maybe in the minority but I believe he is very valuable on staff and would love to keep him but hire an intense DC on field. I’m unfortunately a dolphins fans and watched Wilkins Sunday after Sunday run down RBs and hussle every okay that he needed more oxygen than anyone on the field after every possession… that’s mindset and just wanting it more than the next guy . The attitude of the defense is not there imo.
Iv said it a million times and stand by it… I get dabos story and it has a bearing on why he gives these guys “shots” bc someone took a chance on him… but we were on top of the mountain , we had the best and could have hired anyone we wanted offensively and defensively and Dabo made some really poor choices there … again I’m fine with some ex players in analyst roles and helping in certain positions but coordinator roles on a team like we built was not the time… I think he thought we just had the talent to beat everyone with whatever coaching and once that fell off some it showed. All that said I trust Dabo like the Luke and Riley hire to make necessary changes and I’ll be shocked if a big change isn’t made to the defense. We have always been known for shutting down the running game and that aspect has been absolutely pathetic honestly. A decent defense and we very well could have beat Texas in Texas and that’s a team that many are picking to make it to the finals.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 26, 2024, 8:57 PM
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BV may get fired after the 2025 season but does he want to return immediately to coaching. Probably not as he will have plenty of money now and he probably will be burned out. Would be great if we could get him back as it has not been the same without him.
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Wes has slowly forgotten all he learned from BV***
Dec 13, 2022, 7:58 AM
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 27, 2024, 12:13 AM
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Brent is the best DC that Clemson has ever had calling plays. Clemson players deserve better than what they have been given with Wes. Replace Wes on the headset and let Wes be co coordinator or something. Wes has skills that the team needs but he does not need to make on the fly decisions and adjustments during the game.
If BV came back to Clemson as DC, I would do backflips. Keep in mind, I have never done a backflip.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
May 4, 2025, 9:16 AM
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I keep referring to a Lee Corso quote:
Offense sells tickets, Defense wins games.
I think that describes this season perfectly. That being said, I say replace now. I personally don't need to see anymore than what I've witnessed in 2024.
I would define "good hire" first and foremost, as a hire that would convince a player to come to Clemson and stay there. The players have to believe in the coach first.
As excited as I was about a BV defense, I can't realistically believe he would return.
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Re: Hypothetical on Wes Goodwin
Dec 27, 2024, 1:23 PM
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As long as WG is coming back, Clemson's defense will get worse, no matter who they get in the portal.
Dabo is putting his career on the line at Tigertown until he realizes that this is his only option to salvage another playoff run. Keep Goodwin and his record for 2025 is 7-5, and NO ACC Title, with NO playoff.
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