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Hes not doing what I described in that post.***
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:18 PM
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Re: Hes not doing what I described in that post.***
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:20 PM
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Yes he is. That's why he threw the 'Pro Trump ' part in.
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Tiger Titan [49197]
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No, he isn't.
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:22 PM
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He posted the man’s manifesto. He only focused on that man. He didn’t blame groups of people for violence because of their ideology. He blamed the man’s mental illness.
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Ultimate Tiger [34216]
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Re: No, he isnt.
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:22 PM
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Uh huh
He could have just stopped there -
'I'll just drop this here. He was short and to the point. Obviously, he's mentally ill.'
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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You're dumb as a rock.****
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:30 PM
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Tiger Titan [49197]
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No, he's not. He's just incorrect here.***
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:31 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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Actually, he is.****
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:31 PM
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Re: Actually, he is.****
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:34 PM
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Don't let 13 pass you by too quickly. It's neat age.
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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You can't even count to 13.***
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:35 PM
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Youre incredibly unlikable, has anyone told you that?***
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:52 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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You're free to put me on ignore. I don't care what you think of me...
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Your posts usually come across as if you're some sort of weird hall monitor. Needless to say, I don't like you either.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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Clearly you're a hit on the Georgia Tech forums.***
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Jan 5, 2025, 5:05 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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Thank you. You're going on ignore.****
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Jan 5, 2025, 5:08 PM
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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fist pump***
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Jan 5, 2025, 5:10 PM
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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And theyve now made ignore a paid only feature.
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Jan 5, 2025, 6:10 PM
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You have a real conundrum here. Do you dislike me $5/month worth?
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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I know. I tried to hit ignore, and it wouldn't let me. So, I'm stuck...
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Jan 5, 2025, 6:15 PM
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reading your blather, since I'm not going to pay to ignore someone.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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So its like a low-key disdain more than a seething hatred.
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Jan 5, 2025, 6:29 PM
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Because $5/month is a pretty solid deal to get rid of a seething hatred.
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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You're the one with the hatred of me, not the other way around....
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Jan 5, 2025, 6:35 PM
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I don't chase you down in threads that you start, and tell you how unlikable you are, or talk about how you might or might not be liked on various Clemson boards...because I couldn't care less about you, and was hoping the ignore function could be used...but you're not worth the $5.
I don't hate you or anyone specifically. It's counter-productive.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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Brother, I got bad news.
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Jan 5, 2025, 6:41 PM
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With all due respect, you’re not interesting enough to merit hatred. When was the last time I replied to you, like July? I’m just messing with you. You see a guy in the middle of the airport wearing a beanie with a propeller, it’s hard to not give the propeller a spin when you walk by. I wouldn’t give you a kidney or anything, but if you needed a pint of blood, I’d run by the Red Cross.
I think you should be really flattered that I am paying for t-net already and I’m consciously choosing to keep you off ignore—that’s pretty special.
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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I'm not your brother.****
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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10-4, sister.
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Jan 5, 2025, 6:47 PM
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Sorry to assume.
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Ultimate Tiger [34216]
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Re: You're dumb as a rock.****
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:33 PM
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Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone like you.
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Tiger Titan [49197]
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Is he not saying having such beliefs en route to blowing yourself up...
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:33 PM
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Mentally ill?
Is there anywhere in the post where he's blaming a group of people for violence? Would you not agree that harboring the beliefs this man had showed he was crazy? Wanting armed militias to take over DC?
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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He certainly needed help...
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:39 PM
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Had PTSD. He had a very warped worldview, and I guess he felt the country needed a violent political cleansing of the Dems of some sort, so he thought what he was doing would be a wake-up... He was crazy.
I've been looking for more on the Jabbar guy in New Orleans. I'm sure we'll find more bread-crumbs from his time in ISIS.
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Ultimate Tiger [34216]
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Re: Is he not saying having such beliefs en route to blowing yourself up...
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:42 PM
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Yes, I agree that the man is mentally ill.
The OP statement would be akin to me saying the guy who killed a bunch of people in New Orleans was crazy. 'Oh and by the way a Biden supporter.' You know, imply blame to a political side after one of these types of incidents, which is what I thought your post was about.
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Re: Is he not saying having such beliefs en route to blowing yourself up...
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:48 PM
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Anyway - just my opinion Cat. Enjoy your Sunday. I actually have to get back to work this evening - boo boo, hiss hiss
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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We didn't know the depths of his insane worldview though....
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Jan 5, 2025, 4:57 PM
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This guy supported insane, violent stuff. I'd like to know what he was reading online, or where he got those views. Don't know that yet, though.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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And we still don't have the Nashville shooter's manifesto
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Jan 5, 2025, 5:08 PM
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who also supported insane, violent stuff, and that was pretty much my point.
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All-Time Great [91349]
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Well, we see this guys. Does it matter?
Jan 6, 2025, 10:19 AM
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Really, I'm not sure even if we know their reasons it matters why they did what they did.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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Youd have to ask the FBI and Nashville PD.
Jan 6, 2025, 12:20 PM
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They seem to believe it matters enough to keep it from the public.
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All-Time Great [91349]
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Looks like some of it was leaked.
Jan 6, 2025, 12:31 PM
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Not sure what anyone was looking for from reading it.
If I was in TN, I'd worry more about getting stopped and charged with DUI but am completely innocent...but still have to buy SR-22 insurance and a breathalyzer interlock device for my car (with a mandatory subscription).
Y'all have a growing police problem up there.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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Ill take 50 drives on the most patrolled TN roads and one
Jan 6, 2025, 6:22 PM
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Down Palm Blvd on IOP.
I know which one I’d be most likely to be pulled on.
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All-Time Great [91349]
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TN news stations must be just putting that stuff on youtube.
Jan 6, 2025, 6:24 PM
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I see a new story about just about every time I log on.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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I didnt say those stories are fake
Jan 6, 2025, 6:33 PM
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But Nashville proper is just a baby step behind Berkeley, CA when it comes to embracing a chance to play smear the pigs.
My opinion stands. You had a far better chance of being pulled over on IOP by a cop who kicks your taillight out before writing you a ticket for it than you do a DUI in TN.
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Ok, youre right.
Jan 6, 2025, 8:42 PM
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IOP cops aren’t insanely overaggressive.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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Bruh.
Jan 7, 2025, 9:25 AM
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Why is this now a group debate.
I started out by criticizing the Nashville PD about manifestos.
IE throws in a non sequitur about fake drunk convictions.
I acknowledge that’s an actual issue.
In an attempt at shitgiving, I point out that he’s in a glass house throwing stones because IOP cops are the worst.
Somehow now you’re jumping in using “straw manning” to describe some TN vs SC shittalking.
This isn’t some deep debate.
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All-Time Great [91349]
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Just something I saw on y'alls news.
Jan 7, 2025, 9:56 AM
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I didn't realize there would be a debate about it.
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TigerNet Immortal [176662]
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Its not. Im trying to have fun talking some shid
Jan 7, 2025, 10:01 AM
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And yall are pulling out graphs and charts like Ross Perot.
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Re: Bruh.
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Tiger Titan [49197]
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I think you've read too much into his intent
Jan 6, 2025, 7:36 AM
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Seemed more of a statement of fact rather than a suggestion this was typical Trumpkin behavior, which it isn't.
That's distinctly different from an ### clown like Manac or NC_Tiger who rushes here to claim all Democrats caused New Orleans to happen, or that people speaking poorly of Trump encouraged someone to attempt to kill him.
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He said he was mentally ill, then followed with what he clearly feels
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are examples/indicators, one of which was "Pro Trump".
I agree that the dude was tragically off his rocker. If being pro-Trump was not a factor, why mention itat all, especially along with a couple of other things that clearly are?
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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He lived in a right-wing violence-soaked fantasy world.****
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I think you would agree that not many Pro-Trumpers are part of that world.***
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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No...unless they're militia or on hate-sites....
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I see some of the things he talked about as being something akin to what you might find with militias (oath keepers or proud boys, or something like that), or maybe a hate-site like 4chan. Those groups are generally pro-Trump, and in fact, he's not crazy enough for them.
Do you agree?
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Orange Immortal [66028]
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Here's the difference . . .
Jan 5, 2025, 10:55 PM
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I agree that militia members are far more likely to be pro-Trump than pro-Kamala/Biden/Obama.
I don't agree that being Pro-Trump is an example or possible characteristic of mental illness, or extremism, as wanting militias to purge the dems out of Washington is.
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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where did I see that being pro-Trump was an example of illness?....
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You won't find that in my post at all. You guys are making stuff up that I didn't say.
I said the guy was mentally ill. You would have to be in order to do what he did. It's obvious.
Then in another paragraph, I mentioned some things in his manifesto that were interesting to me. But I didn't say, "here's the part that shows the illness".
There's a group of you that have totally mis-read what I was saying. Being pro-Trump doesn't make anyone a terrorist or a violent person. But this specific guy did have a right-wing violent worldview. I'd like to know how he developed that, as it wasn't just a typical voter's view.
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Orange Immortal [66028]
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That's cool.
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But here's what you said:
Obviously he's mentally ill. Then you skipped a line and added:
Wanted a militia to take over Washington and purge it of all dems. And he's Pro Trump and other stuff.
Maybe you come right out and say it, and maybe you didn't mean that those things were qualities of being crazy, but it's no stretch at all to think it was implied.
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Re: Hes not doing what I described in that post.***
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It’s important to mention that he loved Trump and Musk, to counter the conspiracy theories that it was a protest against those two. There’s still a large faction of nuts who think he was set up, murdered, and the car was remotely driven there.
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I was posting things that interested me....
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He lived in a violent right-wing fantasy world, and thought enough of it, to post this stuff right before he killed himself.
I suppose if he had killed himself because he hates dog food, he might have posted that. But he didn't. He talked about militias taking over DC and purging Dems violently if needed, and how we needed Trump/Musk/Kennedy in charge, and how he needed to send the world a message. I'm very curious about what this guy was reading online, if anything, and what drove him over the edge. Alot of people are mentally ill, just like this guy. But they don't think the same way he thinks, and they don't commit these acts.
If you got your fe-fe's worked up about me mentioning that he was pro-Trump, well that's too bad.
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What was your point with the pithy Pro-Trump remark?
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Matthew Livelsberger was obviously mentally ill. He was also white and male. He was also a Green Beret. He rented one of Elon Musk's vehicles. He had a surname of German origin. So what?
A mentally ill man who suffered from PTSD and suffered from a traumatic brain injury killed himself.
Again what was your point in inserting this tidbit that he was pro-Trump?
I'm not pro Trump although I am generally a conservative Republican leaning voter, but it's tiresome to read and hear things that either overtly state or insinuate that folks who backed Trump are dumb, mentally ill or both.
Trump got 63 million votes in 2016, 74.2 million in 2020 and 77.3 million in 2024.
Perhaps Dems need to do a bit of self reflection.
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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It's a political manifesto....
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I think it's instructive to know what this guy was thinking, and where he came from, when he decided to blow his car up in a public place.
I'm not blaming Trump or Republicans for his illness or his violence. But he had a violent fantasy right-wing view of the world. I'd like to know where it came from. I'd be curious what kinds of online material he was reading, if anything.
If he wanted to violently purge Republicans from Washington, and wanted a world where Kamala was the next President, I'd have posted that as well.
You guys are very worked up and bothered by this. Some of you who proclaim that you don't support Trump - over and over in your posts - spend a lot of time attacking people who are themselves actually anti-Trump. Are you an anti-anti-Trump?
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Re: It's a political manifesto....
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All I could do was not vote for Trump in the primary or general election. Check and check.
Having said that, there’s no way in hell I would have voted for Harris.
However, there are a lot of very intelligent, very successful, mentally stable folks who made the choice to vote for Trump.
It’s not a black and white issue and again what was your reason for inserting the pro Trump statement?
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Again, because it's a "political manifesto"....
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It's interesting to know what he thinks about politics, to know his political worldview, since that's what he posted before he went out and blew himself up in public, putting dozens of others in danger. He's very much a right-wing violent-view nut, who had other problems as well, but who's political worldview seemed to have something to do with his own motivations here.
I would like to know what this guy was reading or who/what he was engaging with before he did all this.
If we're going to try and deal with political violence, we need to know the causes. So, when they leave clues, we need to know what's in them.
Likewise, I'd like to know more about the ISIS guy....what drove him to ISIS, what he was reading, or what group(s) he was hanging out with. Same things I"m interested in. But we don't have a manifesto in his case, at least not yet. Did he have an Islamist world view? Was he angry that the US didn't have Sharia?
We have American citizens who become radical, and commit acts of either terror or extreme violence. We need to study this stuff to help stop it in the future.
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Re: Again, because it's a "political manifesto"....
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He was indoctrinated by all the social media and nutty MAGA nonsense out there. It's the same with the dudes that attacked our Capitol. It's just poison that is being sold to them....They are easy targets though. I think most people that post here could write the ###### for what these people fall for.
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Re: What was your point with the pithy Pro-Trump remark?
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Dems definitely need some self reflection. The party is a joke. That said, anyone who would ever consider Trump in the Republican Primary as their top choice, needs serious mental help at the most, or at the least some self reflection.
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Gonna be rough 4 yrs of swinging your head around....
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...77 million CRAZIES on the prowl out to hunt down there 'political enemies' like YOU.
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Re: Gonna be rough 4 yrs of swinging your head around....
Jan 6, 2025, 8:18 AM
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They’ve already started. Attacking people while screaming “This is Trump’s America now.” Afraid the rates of physical assault and rape are about to take off.
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110%er [3977]
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger's political manifesto....
Jan 6, 2025, 3:40 PM
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Did we ever see the Trump wannabe assassins “manifestos”?
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Varsity [106]
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If you read some of page 2 without context of knowing who
Jan 6, 2025, 3:56 PM
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wrote it, not sure it comes across as crazy.
... we are terminally ill and headed toward collapse.
- not an unreasonable or crazy assertion; he may not mean we collapse tomorrow, for example, could be in a generation or two
...We are crumbling because of a lack of self respect, morals, and respect for others. Greed and
gluttony has consumed us. - who would disagree? A lot of us believe this to be true.
...We have strayed from family values and corrupted our minds and I am a prime example of having it
all but it never being enough.
- yeah, we have strayed from family values - at least 40% of us have
A lot of us are just sitting around waiting to die. No sunlight, no steps, no fresh air, no hope.
- maybe a bit dark here, but ask the people in assisted living what they think?
Our children are addicted to screens by the age of two. We are filling our bodies with processed foods.
- At least partially true and true.
Our population is too fat to join the military yet we are facing a war with China, Russia, North Korea and Iran before 2030.
- a bit dark again, but many non unhinged people predict war
We must end the war in Ukraine with a negotiated settlement.
- not an unreasonable opinion
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Dynasty Maker [3372]
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It reads as if written by a member of a kook-fringe militia****
Jan 6, 2025, 4:27 PM
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Re: Matthew Livelsberger's political manifesto....
Jan 6, 2025, 7:36 PM
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More benign than half the stuff I read on here
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