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Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 15, 2022, 10:09 PM
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But I fear our captain is full steam ahead without regard for the massive iceberg in the foreground this season.
I know it’s early, and I know there is some bad basketball being played in the ACC currently. But just looking at like opponents … Duke beat USC Upstate 84-38. We beat them 81-70.
Gonna need some improvement (and this is the week for it ) and a little luck to get this team in the dance. Hoping for it. Good luck coach.
Go Tigers
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I don’t think the transitive property necessarily applies there.
Nov 15, 2022, 10:13 PM
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Besides, Duke has more 5 star players in their current freshman class than we’ve had in our entire basketball history at Clemson.
We aren’t really comparable to Duke.
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Re: I don’t think the transitive property necessarily applies there.
Nov 15, 2022, 11:56 PM
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That is the issue. Brad has not been able to land 5* guys here. If he can’t land bigtime players the result will remain the same, a very average program.
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Re: I don’t think the transitive property necessarily applies there.
Nov 16, 2022, 7:32 AM
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That is the issue. Brad has not been able to land 5* guys here. If he can’t land bigtime players the result will remain the same, a very average program.
No coach in our 100+ year history has been able to land 5* guys at Clemson outside of a couple of years under Tates Locke when he bought some really good players. This means CBB is not unlike every other coach in our history. Perhaps the problem is a structural issue with Clemson Basketball given we have seen the same thing over and over through multiple coaches?
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We've landed some, many didn't work out
Nov 16, 2022, 7:53 AM
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Foster got Clarke Bynum. Cliff, Ricky Jones. OP landed Jennings.
Sharone Wright definitely panned out for Cliff.
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Re: We've landed some, many didn't work out
Nov 16, 2022, 9:50 AM
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Was D Davis or Elden C 5* cruits?
OP got Jennings and Booker, pretty sure both were 5*. I think Jeria Grant was very high 4*.
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Milton Jennings is the only 5 star recruit we have signed
Nov 16, 2022, 10:19 AM
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in the last 30 years.
We all know that he wasn't really a 5 star recruit. He was arguably not even a 4 star recruit in terms of his actual skills and performance.
Davis and Campbell were not 5 star recruits.
Booker was a 3 star on Rivals, not a 5 star.
Jerai Grant was a 3 star according to 247, not a 4 star.
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Devin Booker was a top 100 4* on Rivals...HTH***
Nov 16, 2022, 11:27 AM
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Re: Milton Jennings is the only 5 star recruit we have signed
Nov 16, 2022, 11:36 AM
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I knew one of the Booker brothers were highly ranked but I was thinking it was Trevor, I guess it's because he played better. But Devin was top 100 (96) recruit on Rivals. Only used to look at Rivals and Scout rankings in those days.
I really thought I remembered Jerai being higher ranked but only a 3* on Rivals. I always liked him talked to him a couple times so I guess favoritism added another star, ha!
Recruiting services used stand pretty firm on top 25 players were 5* and top 100 were 4*. Have lot more players given higher star ratings now but they are probably better coming out of HS now with all the extra league play outside of school. Number wise it is easier to pick up a 4* now vs then but quality of 4* players are probably equal or better today.
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Re: Milton Jennings is the only 5 star recruit we have signed
Nov 16, 2022, 2:04 PM
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The class of freshmen Brownell inherited was the highest rate class in Clemson history. Somehow he has zero responsibility for their lack of development.
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Re: Milton Jennings is the only 5 star recruit we have signed
Nov 16, 2022, 4:44 PM
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He needs time to get his style of players in place.
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Sharone Wright resulted in an incredible overall record of
Nov 16, 2022, 10:16 AM
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49-43 while he was here, 15-33 in the ACC, and finishes between 7th and 9th in a 9-team ACC.
So even with a 5 star player who ended up being the 6th pick in the 1994 NBA Draft, with a coach who has had a successful career, that still wasn't good enough for us to make the NCAA Tournament.
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Cliff had Whitney and Gray, who also played in the NBA
Nov 16, 2022, 10:46 AM
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around Sharone. That was the most underachieving team in our history. Also showed the importance of glue guys, which is why we underachieved
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Re: We've landed some, many didn't work out
Nov 16, 2022, 10:38 AM
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Sharone Wright had a potentially career ending injury in high school so all the programs with other options backed off of him.
That's how he ended up at Clemson.
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Which Clemson coach has landed 5 star players?
Nov 16, 2022, 10:11 AM
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Recruiting at Clemson isn't a Brownell problem, it's a Clemson basketball problem.
This is why I keep going back to the importance of us funding the program better. That allows us to get better assistants, better facilities, etc., which in turn can hopefully help us get better recruits.
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It's interesting, OP had less draft picks than CBB
Nov 16, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Albeit 7 years in Clemson to 12(and counting) and his one and only was Trevor Booker who is our only 1st round pick in the last 28 years.
But he obviously identified underrated recruits that fit his style of play and maximized their potential in his scheme, which lead to 6 straight postseason appearances(3 straight NITs to 3 straight NCAATs) in 7 years.
Whereas, Brad has only made it to 6 in 12 years with his longest streak being 3(an NCAAT sandwiched by 2 NITs).
According to Rivals, OP didn't have higher than a 3* recruit until his last recruiting class which had Noel Johnson, Milton Jennings, and Devin Booker.
Also according to Rivals, Brad has signed 8 4* players in his tenure, including 3 in 2020(although 2 transferred out).
If Brad is so great at development, why don't we see more consistent success?
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This is what's been so confusing from the Brown L camp.
Nov 16, 2022, 1:16 PM
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All these complaints about program support being what's holding Brad back yet he has recruited as well as or better from a star standpoint than his predecessors, yet gets worse, and more inconsistent, results than anyone prior since the 1980's save for Shyatt. Only KJ made it to an NBA roster in this 12 year run and that amounted to a defensive specialist role off the bench for three seasons, after passing on a 4th year of Brad's coaching.
OP spotted Brad with over 9k fans a game. Brad has turned that into 7k pretty steadily. While in person attendance is down overall in the ACC since that time, that drop is in the 6% range while ours has been in the 20% range.
Certainly happy for the W last night, but seeing what's on the floor today and harking back to many of those squads we've seen over the years prior, it's just hard to be optimistic about what lies ahead this season. As we're seeing discussed above even by the Brown L faithful, it's not a talent level issue, it's what being done with that talent.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Which Clemson coach has landed 5 star players?
Nov 16, 2022, 2:34 PM
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all bs.
it’s a brad problem - and it’s why he will not be employed this time next year at this fine university -which he has mad a mockery in basketball
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That's bullcrap.
Nov 17, 2022, 12:18 AM
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Clemson has more to offer and has more talent than a ton of other teams making the tournament regularly, when we're not.
It's coaching. Period.
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So you don't expect to be able to compete with
Nov 16, 2022, 7:18 AM
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Dook, the holes, or any elite program? To make up ground? UVa does it without 5 stars. VT competes without them. We have in the past, including under Brad. We just don't do it consistently. There's a formula there, if you look at it
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It's called good coaching and player development***
Nov 16, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Also identifying the under-valued (rated) recruits
Nov 16, 2022, 8:17 AM
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The guy rated 2-4 stars who people overlook. Foster was great at it with the Grant's, Nance, Vincent Hamilton, Billy Williams and the likes. Barnes with Buckner and Boogie. OP with Hammonds, Mays, Stitt. You can say Brad has with guys like KJ, even Blossomgame, but most of his "finds" have been through the portal. Reed being the best. But not near enough over 12 years now to keep us consistently winning
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Re: Also identifying the under-valued (rated) recruits
Nov 16, 2022, 8:33 AM
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The guy rated 2-4 stars who people overlook. Foster was great at it with the Grant's, Nance, Vincent Hamilton, Billy Williams and the likes. Barnes with Buckner and Boogie. OP with Hammonds, Mays, Stitt. You can say Brad has with guys like KJ, even Blossomgame, but most of his "finds" have been through the portal. Reed being the best. But not near enough over 12 years now to keep us consistently winning
James Mays was a 4*
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Ugh, I said 2-4 star
Nov 16, 2022, 8:56 AM
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Mays was a consensus 3 star.
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Re: Ugh, I said 2-4 star
Nov 16, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Mays was ranked a 4* on 247 and 3* on rivals.
On both he was rated the 103 best player in the nation. He had offers from nc state, Virginia, GT, and usc. Wouldn't say he was an under the radar recruit.
Pj hall was a 4* was he under the radar too?
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One 4 star rating is an outlier
Nov 16, 2022, 10:49 AM
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Like with Dillon Hunter. PJ was a 4 star across the board.
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Re: One 4 star rating is an outlier
Nov 16, 2022, 11:06 AM
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You said "Mayes was a consensus 3*.
That statement is untrue, just like him being an under the radar recruit. He was ranked 103 in rhe nation, which would be a consensus 4* in today's game and rivals current rankings.
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There were other recruiting services back then
Nov 16, 2022, 1:01 PM
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but you were a kid, no offense
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I've answered this before - THE SCOREBOARD. It is ALL about
Nov 16, 2022, 8:44 AM
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W's - nothing else.
Brad is a TERRIBLE coach because of 13 years of garbage - with a one year exception.
I realize this is a JK scok - but breaking down everything but the SCOREBOARD to try & minimize football to make our complete SUCK basketball program look better is funny - really funny.
Why is Brad a BAD coach - he has no plan or vision, and has no leadership skills to make it happen if he DID have a plan or vision - our performance when it matters - in our conference - SUCKS, our performance in the ACC Tourney - SUCKS, we don't even make it into the top SIXTY-EIGHT teams in the country - year in and year out.
He is a bad coach - in the only measurable that matters - WINS.
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Re: I've answered this before - THE SCOREBOARD. It is ALL about
Nov 16, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Which 1 year was the exception? I'm assuming you mean the sweet 16 year?
Are you saying that our season 2 years ago, where beat a record 7 ncaa tournament teams and went 11-1 at home was "garbage"?
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Re: I've answered this before - THE SCOREBOARD. It is ALL about
Nov 16, 2022, 9:49 AM
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That was a good year for us but still 5th in the conference and a 1st round loss in the NIT kind of taints it a bit. The sad part is that was a GREAT season for us which would have been considered rather mediocre by many programs.
You still have to shake your head at how a coach in a major Div 1 program lasts 13 years with the results we have been getting...
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There you go breaking down the minutiae again - what
Nov 16, 2022, 9:58 AM
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was our overall record ?
How did we do in the ACC Tourney ?
How did we do in the big dance - SURELY with all these amazing stats you state, we were one of the top SIXTY-EIGHT teams in the country ?
Seriously - answers these 3 questions and I will answer your question as to if I think it was a garbage season
And yes - the one exception was the Sweet 16 year.
Nothing other than these metrics matter. Who would think otherwise ? It's like the folks who say - sure, we lost 31 to 24 on the scoreboard but we beat them in just about every other box score stat there is - other than turnovers . . . .
Who cares ? We got BEAT.
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Re: There you go breaking down the minutiae again - what
Nov 16, 2022, 11:09 AM
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Ok, so per your standards, we have only had about 4 seasons that weren't "garbage" in our programs history. Wow!
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Re: There you go breaking down the minutiae again - what
Nov 16, 2022, 11:24 AM
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I appreciate the defense of the program, I really do. But to be fair, I think you have to be honest about one question:
Is our basketball program where it should be after nearly 13 seasons under BB? If you are satisfied we are on the right track then we should continue on with what we have. I think most fans might have a hard time agreeing with that...
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Based on logical parameters such as our basketball history at Clemson
Nov 16, 2022, 4:08 PM
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as well as what we spend on basketball at Clemson relative to other ACC schools, we are easily where we should be after 13 years of Brownell.
In fact, an argument can be made that we have overachieved.
Those who are paid to evaluate Brad’s performance - such as the athletic director - obviously feel that he is meeting expectations. That’s why he is still our coach, having received multiple raises and extensions.
The only ones who seem to feel that Brad isn’t meeting expectations are fans who don’t understand just how poorly basketball at Clemson is typically supported.
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I didn’t say that. In typical troll fashion, you won’t
Nov 16, 2022, 12:03 PM
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answer the 3 questions I asked.
This whole thing is black & white. And you trolls are smoke & mirrors only.
You are well-versed in our basketball team - answer the 3 questions, please.
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Re: It's called good coaching and player development***
Nov 16, 2022, 10:40 AM
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6 players on the floor.
Can't win consistently.
Hasn't established a program in 12 years.
Can't recruit.
Can't develop talent.
Do you need more?
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Re: It's called good coaching and player development***
Nov 16, 2022, 11:11 AM
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Please list the players that he hasn't developed?
6 players on the court 1 time in 12 years means somebodies a bad coach? Wow. I didn't realize coaches weren't allowed to make mistakes.
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Re: It's called good coaching and player development***
Nov 16, 2022, 3:04 PM
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all of them
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Do you think Duke football fans should have the same
Nov 16, 2022, 10:09 AM
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expectations for their program as we do at Clemson for our football program?
Of course not, because Duke is not a football school, they don't have the football history we do, they don't invest in football the way we do, they don't have the facilities we do, they don't have the fan support we do, etc.
I never said that we shouldn't strive to compete with Duke in basketball. There are many examples of Brownell-coached teams being competitive with Duke in basketball. But we aren't on their level, as evidenced by the fact that they have more 5 stars in their recruiting class than we have ever had in our program's history.
Being discouraged by a double digit win over USC Upstate because Duke beat them by more isn't really productive in my opinion.
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Re: I don’t think the transitive property necessarily applies there.
Nov 16, 2022, 8:54 AM
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Ya think??? I believe he's just saying that Duke will mash us too. Personally I think we'll be decent this year despite losing to a not very good Carolina team.
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Re: I don’t think the transitive property necessarily applies there.
Nov 16, 2022, 3:50 PM
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Almost all of the great players we have had at Clemson were raw coming out of high school and developed here ..... Larry Nance, Dale Davis, Horace Grant, to name a few.
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Re: I don’t think the transitive property necessarily applies there.
Nov 16, 2022, 3:53 PM
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And apparently you are OK with that. You keep talking about better funding, better assistants, better facilities. I guess funding a new, much better head coach isn't an option.
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That’s the logical next step.
Nov 16, 2022, 4:14 PM
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But why wouldn’t we want to give our all time winningest coach everything we can in order to be successful? Then he has a fighting chance, and we can feel good about supporting him well.
If he excels as we believe he can, great! And if he doesn’t, we will be in a great position to hire someone outstanding to replace him.
Or, we can keep treating basketball like an afterthought at Clemson, being cheap, and not having the kind of program many of us want to have.
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Re: That’s the logical next step.
Nov 16, 2022, 4:37 PM
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Because Brownell has had 12 years and proven that he is never going to win the ACC tournament. And apparently you are OK with that.
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We have had more talent then tons of team making the tournament
Nov 17, 2022, 12:14 AM
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every year.
But noooo, we have 2 tournament wins in Brad's entire tenure. 12 years!
Where's the evaluation, where's the development, and where's the in-game coaching?
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 15, 2022, 10:21 PM
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I just watched the game at face value. The Tigers played well. PJ is looking great as are others.
Go Tigers
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 15, 2022, 11:09 PM
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While I agree that we can't compare Clemson to Duke imho tonight's game wasn't an impressive win. We had to keep our starters in just to maintain a comfortable margin. Very similar to our current fb team.
Sure, Hall looked impressive but it was against far inferior talent. Hemingway had an impressive night but he always will given the chance at uncontested 3 balls.
Our defense must improve. Anytime you let a team hit 54% ìts not good... even less so with our starters in. But, just like football, we have games to get that ironed out.
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I agree, it was a comfortable win but not a dominant one.
Nov 15, 2022, 11:34 PM
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I also agree that we need to clean up our defense.
I’m generally pleased with our offense so far. We share the ball well and take good shots. We had 17 assists tonight.
We must improve our free throw percentage. Just 29/45 on the year so far (64%). That’s going to cost us some games if we don’t get that up to at least 70%.
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Re: I agree, it was a comfortable win but not a dominant one.
Nov 16, 2022, 6:49 AM
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Absolutely it'll cost but I think that will resolve too once Brad settles on the regular rotation.
Glad you brought up the good point of assists. The passes seem much improved than years past. The cuts and switches seem clean especially for just 3 games in. We're putting up points too which makes for more exciting pace of play.
We need to pack the house for bellarine. Good team. It's sad to see such a sparse crowd last night.
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He's apparently settled on a rotation
Nov 16, 2022, 7:21 AM
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With PJ back 5 guys are getting most of the minutes, 4 of whom definitely won't be back next year, and I'd say a better than even chance PJ isn't either.
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Re: He's apparently settled on a rotation
Nov 16, 2022, 8:35 AM
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Who "definitely" won't be back next year? We only have 2 players that don't have remaining eligibility after this year....
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All 4 starters apart from PJ
Nov 16, 2022, 9:02 AM
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I guess all but Galloway and Tyson can take the Covid year, but why would they? PJ will have decisions to make after the year. Not NBA yet, but whether does he want to raise his profile at a high profile school, of which he'd have countless opportunities
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Re: All 4 starters apart from PJ
Nov 16, 2022, 11:12 AM
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I dunno. Tyson came back this year. Brevin used his covid year to play at Clemson.
Why do you think they came back to play for Clemson?
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Tyson because he's a Clemson man
Nov 16, 2022, 1:04 PM
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Galloway, who I doubt was flush with power 5 offers, to play at home.
Chase likely has a future overseas with a good year, he can make money.
Hemenway has a future in whatever is major is.
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I don't know
Nov 16, 2022, 1:34 PM
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but I assume it's because Brad is a horrible coach, and we are going to have a horrible year, and they wanted to be a part of it.
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Cite one time I have said Brad was a horrible coach
Nov 16, 2022, 1:41 PM
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One...time...
You won't find it, so stop trolling
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Cite one time where I accused you of saying
Nov 16, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Brad is a horrible coach.
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Not from me troll
Nov 16, 2022, 2:53 PM
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not once
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You kind of just did...
Nov 17, 2022, 12:56 PM
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Mountaineers asked striper a question, you took the liberty of answering, even though the question was clearly directed at striper, with "I suppose to be the case, without proof, it's because Brad is a horrible coach". You put those very words in his mouth.
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Trolls lie to shove their agenda
Nov 17, 2022, 2:29 PM
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Passive aggressively confront
Don't respond when confronted themselves, unless it's with more lies
Deflect
Contradict their own rules of engagement on topics other than their agenda
Did I mention lie?
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Name them
Nov 16, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Not one single time. I've always stated he's a good coach. After TWELVE years I've stated he's run his course here.
Name them and pay up
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Who said anything about a coach? I'm talking about PJ
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Nov 16, 2022, 5:34 PM
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leaving and I will put up a years sub here that he doesn't transfer out
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I'm saying it's above 50%
Nov 16, 2022, 5:49 PM
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how is playing with guys next year here who didn't play this year going to raise his profile where he needs it to be?
Fell under the comments about Brad. Hard to yrach from page to page
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So is it a bet or not?***
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Re: I agree, it was a comfortable win but not a dominant one.
Nov 16, 2022, 9:02 AM
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FT misses have already cost us a game. 5-9 (55.6%) against SCAR is not good at getting to the line and not good at making them when they did.
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Cameron is intimidating
Nov 15, 2022, 11:50 PM
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Littlejohn is not. Sad. The parking situation is going to be screwed up this season which gives “fans” another reason not to go to Littlejohn. CBB was not happy with the defense in the second half. The defense will get better. This team is going to disappoint the Lunatic Fringe because this team is going to be successful.
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Agreed…
Nov 16, 2022, 7:21 AM
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CBB has proved he is successful 56.8% of the time. I’m not sure why people can’t see that.
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Re: Cameron is intimidating
Nov 16, 2022, 7:30 AM
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@Cobbox be sure to get back with us late February, early March and let’s discuss this season again. This post will not age well. You and other Brownell apologist are the fringe and it’s not even close.
I love Clemson and fail to see what anyone sees as optimism for this program as is.
Hope I’m wrong but history tells me otherwise.
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By "lunatic fringe"...
Nov 16, 2022, 7:40 AM
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you mean those who still blindly follow/support CBB after 12 years of largely mediocre results?
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Re: By "lunatic fringe"...
Nov 16, 2022, 8:45 AM
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you mean those who still blindly follow/support CBB after 12 years of largely mediocre results?
Not sure who blindly follows or supports CBB. The thing is if we simply change coaches without other changes in the program we will get the same or worse results. Of course, we could open the wallet like we did with baseball and hire a top tier coach but unfortunately, I don't see that happening.
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Re: By "lunatic fringe"...
Nov 16, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Are you seriously keeping up this farce? You’ve been caught cross posting as Cobbox. You both say the exact same thing so the redundancy isn’t necessary.
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It's not blind support just because you don't
Nov 16, 2022, 10:24 AM
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understand it.
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A distinction without a difference.***
Nov 16, 2022, 12:19 PM
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Re: It's not blind support just because you don't
Nov 16, 2022, 2:07 PM
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There is far more justification to such an argument for those of us who defend the football program than you have ever mustered for Brad. Your defense of Brad is a combination of logical fallacies and outright lies. Then, if you're called on it, you put those users on ignore.
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You 5 or 6 guys all spew the same crap - I would dare say
Nov 16, 2022, 8:47 AM
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every single one of us "Fringe" / "Brad Haters" WOULD love FOR HIM TO WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME HE EVER COACHES FOR CLEMSON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
I WANT CBB TO WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME THAT HE EVER COACHES FOR US FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
You and the 3 or 4 other idiots need to find a new something stupid to say over & over again . . . because saying we hope he fails is absolutely stupid.
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Re: You 5 or 6 guys all spew the same crap - I would dare say
Nov 16, 2022, 9:53 AM
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I would agree with you but isn't 13 years enough of a wait for him to start winning consistently and turning this thing around? How many more years would you realistically continue to give him?
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Read what I wrote - don't you want CBB to WIN every single
Nov 16, 2022, 10:10 AM
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game he coaches for us this year ? I know I do.
At that point - we are national champions - he gets a huge extension - and he wins every single game he coaches for us.
That is TRULY what I want - it is stupid to pull for a Clemson team to FAIL, regardless of the coach.
And to answer your question - none - I'd give him no more years - he should have been fired 6 years ago or more based on the SCOREBOARD - we have not been good based on Wins & Losses in a long, long time - for the most part.
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Losing to SCAR doesn't help much
Nov 16, 2022, 10:19 AM
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BB has had a pretty good record vs the coots; hate to take that loss
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He's 6-6 I believe, or 6-7***
Nov 16, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Re: Losing to SCAR doesn't help much
Nov 16, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Brad is now 6-6 versus SCar. We moved to 38-20 against them since they left the ACC in the early 70's.
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Unlike Brad Brownell, Captain Edward Smith had a long and
Nov 16, 2022, 12:35 PM
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extinguished sailing career before his fateful last voyage. So ironic that he was going to retire after taking the Titanic out on her maiden voyage. If this season sinking in less than mediocrity is what it takes to finally move on from Brownell and instill some hope for the roundball program, I say bring on the iceberg, and lock up the binoculars one more time.
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 16, 2022, 12:56 PM
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Coach brownell is a goober. We will never ever do anything of substance as long as he's running the show...he's had 13 years to make Clemson a respectable program. I'm counting the days down to when we get a real coach and not some jagoff from a midmajor.
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We do have some coaches who are goobers
Nov 16, 2022, 1:36 PM
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but Brownell isn't one of them.
Have you ever met him and spoken with him?
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Re: We do have some coaches who are goobers
Nov 16, 2022, 2:08 PM
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Which current coaches (plural - your choice of words) are "goobers" Mr. Clemson sports mega fan.
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 16, 2022, 1:47 PM
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 16, 2022, 12:56 PM
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Coach brownell is a goober. We will never ever do anything of substance as long as he's running the show...he's had 13 years to make Clemson a respectable program. I'm counting the days down to when we get a real coach and not some jagoff from a midmajor.
YOU MUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR A LOT.
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Game Changer [1914]
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 16, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Nah I just look at your wife.
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 16, 2022, 1:54 PM
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Sure, our defense needs work, but look on the brightside,
Nov 16, 2022, 2:12 PM
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our offense scored 81...that's only 3 less than Duke...That's how it works right?
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Re: Sure, our defense needs work, but look on the brightside,
Nov 16, 2022, 2:17 PM
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I'll be glad when he's gone. Ill leave the ball washing to you know who....
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Skip WiSE!
Nov 16, 2022, 2:59 PM
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If he wasn't a 10 star then I will wash out my mouth..
with a Rum & Coke! LOL
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Re: Pulling hard for Coach Brownell…
Nov 16, 2022, 7:28 PM
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We all are pulling for Brad because he is one of the good guys. But let’s face the truth. If he has not gotten the job done in 12 years it is not going to start now. This team will struggle with any good team as we have already seen. Brad used to at least play good defense but that is gone now. We play a little better on offense but good teams can shut that down. We will have another BB coach next year. I hope Graham does as good a job in that as he did with Baseball. There is 0 excitement among BB fans from what they have already seen. Losing to the coots with their team was a disgrace. I hope and pray I have to eat my words.
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LMAO - SCAR and their 1st yr HC are not a "good team"***
Nov 17, 2022, 12:14 AM
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Pulling hard for Coach Brownell...To leave
Nov 17, 2022, 12:08 AM
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Please end this pathetic failure of a coach.
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