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Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
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2015 53rd
2016 45th
2017 27th
2018 83rd
2019 37th
2020 43rd
2021 69th
2022 119th
2023 87th
2024 7th
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:06 PM
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Good thing we got him right after he figured it out...
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Jan 14, 2025, 4:32 AM
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Kind of like Brownell, it took forever for him to get it done
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He has only spent three years as a D1 DC.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:06 PM
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2015 at South Florida
2016 at Indiana
2024 at Penn State
I think it's fair to say his defense improved once he had better/more talent with which to work.
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Re: He has only spent three years as a D1 DC.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:41 PM
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I discovered this same thing after I made a remark this morning about not being thrilled about the hire. I was basing it off of him as DC at Indiana, not realizing he was the HC for most of those years.
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Re: He has only spent three years as a D1 DC.
Jan 13, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Yup….easier when you have better players. I don’t care how good you are as a coach….if you don’t have the players….it ain’t gonna work.
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Re: He has only spent three years as a D1 DC.
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:36 PM
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His first year as HC at Indiana, he had one of the best defensive turnarounds in CFB history with that he did with that team after he took over.
Cut down their YPG avg by almost 200yds a game. That’s insane.
Time will tell if he’s a good hire or not but have to give the benefit of the doubt that dabo did his due diligence.
He understands how important this hire is for the next 5 years of Clemson football.
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Re: He has only spent three years as a D1 DC.
Jan 13, 2025, 9:43 PM
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You know, the defense that he improved was his defense, right? He was DC before head coach
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talent matters***
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:10 PM
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Which is why Coach Chop probably wasn't a bad hire. We didn't have the Jimmies.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:38 PM
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I hope this new dude can recruit.
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recruiting these days means cash***
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:58 PM
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:38 PM
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Tom Allen wasn’t a defensive coordinator from 2017-2023. He was a head coach. So most of that doesn’t matter. In 2015 he was at UCF, the talent drop off between them and Clemson is significant, to say the least. In 2015 Indiana had the 117th ranked total defense in the nation. They improved to 45ty the following season then to 27th the 17th season. I’d say he was doing something right. Also, Clemson has much better talent across the board than Indiana.
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
Jan 13, 2025, 8:32 PM
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Lol whatever helps you sleep at night
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:41 PM
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Yikes 👀. Hopefully he can do better than that here. He better be a good recruiter because if not he will fail here faster than Goodwin.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:42 PM
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Most of those years listed he was HC at Indiana, not DC like I thought this morning.
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:49 PM
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So if a defensive coordinator goes to a school as head coach and their defense sucks that’s not an indication of how good a defensive coach they are?
I’m not getting on that wagon.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:51 PM
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You don't have to. But we can't think the guy is garbage when he hasn't stepped foot on campus yet. Support the guy until he proves otherwise. He is an upgrade from Porkchop, that is for sure.
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That's about the only thing I agree with.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:58 PM
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Just think this will end up being a bad hire.
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Re: That's about the only thing I agree with.
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Jan 13, 2025, 3:06 PM
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I wanted someone different and possibly younger, but this is what we got and I'll support him until our defense looks like porkchop's or Steele's.
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Very intelligent contribution to the discussion Mjc***
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Jan 13, 2025, 3:12 PM
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Hes right though. Odd for you to already write him off as a *bad hire*
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:37 PM
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Weird way to go about your life. The guy has a deep and extensive resume and was obviously doing something right at PSU. At least let’s see what he can do before jumping on the “oh look at me being negative” train.
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Already?
Jan 13, 2025, 4:43 PM
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I have 10 years of crap defenses to point at other than 2024 with Manny Diaz's defense where THEY REGRESSED.
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He hasnt been a DC for 10 years.
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:48 PM
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Sadly you’re seeking to be negative. Some ol MO with you.
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Re: He hasnt been a DC for 10 years.
Jan 13, 2025, 4:56 PM
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So you need to choose one.
We either hired a guy that has had 10 years of crap defense with the last being good.
OR
We hired a guy that has 3 total years experience as a DC (same as Wes Goodwin by the way).
Pick one.
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LOL
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Jan 13, 2025, 8:31 PM
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Yeah. Comparing resumes of Goodwin and Allen, that makes sense. Goodwin was an analyst who got promoted to a DC his first year. Do you see that as similar to Allen’s trajectory, really? As a seasoned head coach and DC, Allen has proven his abilities.
And again, do you really think Allen was ever his own DC when he was carrying out HC duties? Or maybe he had an autonomous DC running that side of the ball. Don’t you think that makes more sense?
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I'm not comparing them. You are by saying Allen has only run defense 3 years.
Jan 14, 2025, 8:18 AM
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It's flat false. My comparison to Goodwin is to point out how false it is. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
Either Allen has just as much experience as Goodwin
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You have to acknowledge all the crap defenses under his umbrella. Pick one.
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:51 PM
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Wrong again. I knew you would find something to whine about.
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Which year is wrong?***
Jan 13, 2025, 3:08 PM
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what was each teams end of year ranking in the top 25?***
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Jan 13, 2025, 2:55 PM
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Re: what was each teams end of year ranking in the top 25?***
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Jan 13, 2025, 3:11 PM
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2015 NR
2016 NR
2017 NR
2018 NR
2019 NR
2020 11th
2021 NR
2022 NR
2023 NR
2024 4th
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Jan 13, 2025, 3:24 PM
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What about BV's defenses since he became HC? They have sucked too but you would agree he was a great DC, no?
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
Jan 13, 2025, 3:38 PM
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Bv's defenses have improved every single season since he arrived in Oklahoma and 2024 was ranked the 19th unit in the nation.
The only thing that may suck is your definition of suck.
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:20 PM
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I was going based on this site that appears to rank by points given up per game. Using this, the past year was the only top 30 (29) scoring defense since he has gotten there. Prior years were 99 (dropped from 60th with Riley) then 49, then 29. So yes, they improved each year but you could argue 29th scoring defense still sucked. Our scoring average was only 1.9 behind theirs and we played an extra game and gave up a ton of points in it.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2024-team-defense.html
But look back a few years since he got there and based on this data you would see why I say sucked.
No reason to get in a wad about it. I enjoy your data driven posts, I was just making what I thought was a good point.
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Fair enough. Sorry just on the defensive today.***
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:22 PM
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Those arent numbers as DC.
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:30 PM
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Did you even know that?
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Yes I know that.
Jan 13, 2025, 4:44 PM
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And when an OC get's a HC job and their offense sucks no one stands around saying "Well it wasn't their offense".
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Flawed
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:54 PM
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It depends on whether or not the head coach is actually coaching the offense or defense and calling the plays. Do you see that often?
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If you don't think Tom Allen was running the defense at Indiana youre delusional
Jan 13, 2025, 4:59 PM
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Youre making that up.***
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Jan 14, 2025, 5:52 AM
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That's valuable intel.
Jan 13, 2025, 4:49 PM
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Thank you for pulling those stats together.
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Jan 13, 2025, 7:39 PM
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You really really don't like the hire. I can understand some of the disappointment when you were thinking that an NFL guy projecting up would come back down to the college level to coach at Clemson. Personally don't see guys that are on the upswing in the NFL coming to Clemson for less money and more headache(recruiting, NIL, and NCAA regulations)
I'll also say this Penn St is the only time he's gotten to coach talent on par with what he's about to have at Clemson(i know its not quite as explosive right now but pure talent wise its closer than people think).
I'm optimistic that Clemson will return to at a minimum a top 25 defense under Allen.
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
Jan 13, 2025, 8:14 PM
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Hope you’re right.
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Jan 13, 2025, 7:41 PM
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Seems pretty good when he has actual talent to work with
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Jan 13, 2025, 8:31 PM
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Yeah that's not good
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:51 PM
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It seems, most of y'all don't remember that when BV was co-dc for okla, he wasn't well liked. I remember people commenting on how his defenses were constantly being scored on. Lots of questions about him when he came here.
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Re: Tom Allen defense ranks year by year
Jan 13, 2025, 10:31 PM
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BV had a history of top defenses for 10+ years before showing up in Clemson. Tom Allen has had ONE. Please stop the ridiculous comparison.
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*ridiculous comparison*
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Jan 14, 2025, 5:57 AM
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You’re the one who compared Goodwin’s and Allen’s resumes, no?
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No. My point went completely over your head.***
Jan 14, 2025, 8:20 AM
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it's pretty obvious looking at the numbers
Jan 13, 2025, 10:01 PM
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he went on a diet, changed his hairdo and took a leadership course before 2024.
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Here is a better way to look at it
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Jan 14, 2025, 4:07 AM
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From ChatGPT:
Tom Allen has a history of significantly improving defensive performances upon taking over as defensive coordinator at various programs. Here's a summary of the defensive rankings during his tenures compared to the preceding years:
Lambuth University (NAIA Division):
2007 (Before Allen): Specific national defensive rankings are not readily available for this season.
2008-2009 (With Allen): In 2009, Lambuth's defense achieved notable national rankings:
4th in scoring defense
7th in pass defense and sacks
9th in total defense
12th in third-down conversions allowed
Drake University (FCS Division):
2009 (Before Allen): Specific national defensive rankings are not readily available for this season.
2010 (With Allen): Drake's defense achieved impressive national rankings:
6th in rush defense (94.2 yards per game allowed)
8th in sacks (33 total)
17th in tackles for loss (81 total)
25th in scoring defense (20.4 points per game allowed)
Arkansas State University (FBS Division):
2010 (Before Allen): Specific national defensive rankings are not readily available for this season.
2011 (With Allen): The Red Wolves' defense led the Sun Belt Conference and ranked in the top 25 nationally in:
Total defense (331.5 yards allowed per game)
Scoring defense (20.8 points per game allowed)
Tackles for loss (7.6 per game, 8th nationally)
Sacks (2.7 per game, 15th nationally)
University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) (FBS Division):
2011 (Before Allen): Ole Miss's defense ranked last in the SEC in total defense.
2012-2014 (With Allen): The defense showed significant improvement:
2012: Ranked 45th nationally in total defense
2013: Ranked 38th
2014: Ranked 13th
In 2014, the Rebels led the nation in scoring defense, allowing only 13.8 points per game.
University of South Florida (FBS Division):
2014 (Before Allen): USF's defense had the following national rankings:
70th in tackles for loss (5.8 per game)
Tied for 112th in interceptions (6 total)
Tied for 65th in takeaways (20 total)
Tied for 95th in sacks per game (1.67)
85th in rushing defense (182.9 yards allowed per game)
52nd in passing efficiency defense (219.8 yards allowed per game)
Tied for 66th in scoring defense (27 points allowed per game)
2015 (With Allen): The defense improved across multiple categories:
Tied for 13th nationally in tackles for loss (7.5 per game)
Tied for 14th in interceptions (17 total)
Tied for 24th in takeaways (25 total)
Tied for 26th in sacks (2.62 per game)
31st in rushing defense (141.4 yards allowed per game)
34th in passing efficiency defense (118.76)
35th in scoring defense (22.9 points allowed per game)
Indiana University (FBS Division):
2015 (Before Allen): Indiana's defense ranked:
120th in total defense
106th in opponent points scored
2016 (With Allen): The Hoosiers became the most improved team nationally in:
Total defense (improved by 169.4 yards per game)
Passing defense (improved by 134.1 yards per game)
6th most improved in third-down defense (improved by 12.2%)
9th most improved in points per game allowed (improved by 12.3 points per game)
These improvements highlight Tom Allen's ability to enhance defensive performances across various programs.
Clemson set to name Tom Allen new defensive coordinator
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