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Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 6:38 AM
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If you object to Israel’s genocide of Palestine.. Anti-Semite! (It’s anti-Zionist, technically)
Speak out against tyranny? Anti-Semite!
Reject any government aligned with that tyranny? Anti-Semite!
Don’t like lox and bagels? Anti-Semite! (Pretty tasty, I recommend it)
You can love and accept all Jewish people while also condemning the actions of an aggressive government. And, it is not Anti-Semitic to stand up for the lives of innocent Palestinians.
How would anyone on TNet feel if our government kicked Americans out of their homes and let all of the illegal immigrants from South America to Mexico take up residence in those homes because they believed they had some spiritual right to the land (like Zionism)? Not very good. Palestine and it’s people were unjustly treated and THAT must be considered.
Don’t be Uncle Leo.
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May 25, 2024, 7:31 AM
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Our government does kick people out of their homes.
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 7:51 AM
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Agree that everyone who opposes Israel's war in Gaza is not an anti-Semite. That's a sad symptom of our social illness that the easiest way to win an argument is to call the other side a racist.
But calling what Israel is doing "genocide" is the same thing.
Here's my analogy in response to yours...
Imagine if the Royal Canadian Mounted Police conducted a surprise invasion of Detroit and massacred thousands of civilians. Slit babies' throats. Raped girls at a music festival. The RCMP took hostages, stripped women naked, and marched them through the streets of Toronto while citizens cheered from the streets.
As an American, I'd want to raze Toronto to the ground and salt the earth.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 9:04 AM
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It’s not the same- Canadians never kicked Americans out of their homes to take up residence in the first place. Canada was never part of the US.
Israel is killing Palestinian babies and children. Hamas does the same. Both sides are killing, but Palestine was unjustly occupied almost 80 years ago.
Glad to know you agree with the Anti-Semite thing. That’s laughable.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
May 25, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Sorry- strike that. Reverse it:
It’s not like Americans stole all this land from Canada and kept pushing them out of their homes, which would probably cause the hypothetical attack on Detroit. In that case, we were wrong to begin with, so there’s that.
You can be accepting of Jews AND condemn Netanyahu and his slaughtering, and condemn Hamas while also wanting to preserve Palestine.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 10:03 AM
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It's a very unusual genocide. I don't recall any prior genocide where the superior force gave the people they were trying to exterminate a heads up on their military offensives.
I submit my analogy is valid. America has invaded Canada at least twice. Alaska should belong to the oppressed First Nations people of Canada. Canada is basically an economic colony of America. Canada has no effective military deterrent and America could conquer it any time it liked. Like Palestine, Canada was a former British mandate.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 1:14 PM
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as I seem to recall, the Nazi's put the jews in Ghettos(for their own protection) months before rounding them up for the death camps. Not saying that is what is going on here, lol, but the idea was to slowly dehumanize them to the point where they will not fight back. Once you have lost everything, say your home, school. local mosque (church), your outlook on life becomes bleak, and your will to fight back is nonexistent.
that is what I see happening here. it was not necessary to kill 30k+ civilians and destroy half of the homes on the strip in what has been siege warfare in denying of food, water, and mecial aid.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 1:46 PM
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Probably. It very much comes across like Netenyahu's ham-handed approach is to just bludgeon the Palestinians until there's no more fight left in them.
But no matter how vigorously some kids on American college campuses shake their protest signs or how long they camp out on their college president's lawn, the war's not here and it's not being fought by Americans. It's in Israel, and the Israelis are also not going to stop until they physically extirpate Hamas, and Biden knows full well he doesn't have the power to stop them. We wouldn't stop either - heck, we chased Bin Laden literally to the end of the Earth there in Afghanistan and hunted him for ten years until we had him.
And so Israel is going to continue to pound Gaza into guano and they're going to dump C4 down every rabbit hole in Gaza until Hamas is gone, and they're going to let the Palestinians suffer until they're done, just to show they can. Israel's the power in that region, they're enraged, and they know if Hamas survives they'll just be doing this again in ten years. That die is cast and there's not a whole lot anybody can do about it now. Not even Joe Biden.
And this is what Hamas wanted. Well, they got it. And the whole thing is such a grotesque waste and I see absolutely no chance for a happy ending.
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There has never been a Palestinian state in history. Fact check.
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And if the Palestinians would police their territory and not allow Iranian backed terrorists to set up there and attack Israel, Israel would not have to do what they are having to do. At some point, Israel has an obligation to protect its citizens and border external attacks.
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There is no Israeli gonocide in Gaza.
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^^^ FACT ^^^***
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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If we’re being honest, all the Jews could get kicked out of Israel and the land given to the gazinions , and those freaking morons would absolutely #### it up. I get it’s not going to go over well with you, but the fact is , some people are just crap and will always be a misery to themselves and everyone around them. I waste very little of my day concerned with folks who if we’re honest, the world would be a better place if they did not exist.
I say kick’em out of Gaza and let the Israeli military use the land to practice bombing runs
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
May 25, 2024, 10:14 AM
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Now, you know full well that if the Palestinians had accepted the offers to make peace with Israel in the 90s and 2000s, by now Gaza would be the Singapore of the Mediterranean.
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May 25, 2024, 10:20 AM
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The Jewish people were given all the land in the region a few thousand years ago so the land does not belong to the Palestinians.
The Palestinians would not have to worry about being attacked if they had not attacked civilians Jews to start the war. They FAFO
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^^^ MORE FACTS ^^^***
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Israel must continue until there is unconditional surrender just like we did
May 25, 2024, 10:51 AM
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in WWII! Otherwise, that area. Willl continue to be taken over by Iranian backed terrorist who will continue attacking, killing, maiming, ###### Israelis and Israeli babies in front of their families. It is time to fumigate the area and establish state control over it so the decent Palestinians that remain can live in peace with Israel once and for all!
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This is a hard one that I have no answers for other than to pray for peace. Hamas needs to be extinguished but it is made more difficult when they use the Palestine people as human shields. It is kind of like treating cancer with radiation. You want to be precise and only kill the cancer cells but the reality is you also do wind up killing healthy cells as well.
If you want to kill the cancer, this is the result you just have to accept, but try and manage the process as best as you can.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
May 25, 2024, 11:25 AM
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How blind you are. Quite astonishing.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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May 25, 2024, 12:58 PM
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What's going on in Gaza is not genocide. The Israelis are being heavy-handed, sure, but that's what happens when someone launches a sneak attack out of a clear blue sky and murder 1500 people, mostly civilians, the bulk of whom were at a peace-and-love Nova festival. There are, what, 35,000 Palestinians dead now? If the Israelis were bent on genocide, there wouldn't be a living soul left in Gaza. They more than have the power to physically erase the population.
Hamas didn't just kill civilians and kids at a concert. They rap-ed (durn T-net filter) and sexually mutilated the women they could get their hands on. Then they grabbed over a hundred people - some of them Americans - and brought them back to their ant colony there under Gaza.
They would do the same to you, by the way. No matter how much kinship you proclaimed with them.
It's also hard to see how the Palestinians are the "rightful" owners of the lands now occupied by Israel, by the way. I know it's trendy now among leftists to decry European "colonialism" - which, by the way, comes across as code for "White People Are Bad" - but those lands have traded hands more often than literally any other on Earth. Most recently the Brits took in from the Ottoman Empire in WWI, and the Ottoman Turks took it in 1517 when they "colonialized" most of the region at the point of a sword and took it from the Mamluk Sultanate - who themselves had "colonialized" the region from the Ayyubid dynasty the descendants of the famous Islamic general Saladin. And Saladin himself had conquered the region from the Crusaders and Fatimid Caliphate...
...and anyway, you get the idea. It goes on and on, thousands of years of blood...on everyone's hands. That was the way of the world until very recently. So the idea that the Palestinians - who have never existed as an independent state - somehow have some sort of "rightful" claim to the land is dubious at best. The Jews have a far older and more compelling historical claim on those lands.
You're not helping the Palestinians, by the way. The war they continue to fight was lost in 1947. In refusing to acknowledge that reality - aided and abetted by well-meaning folks like yourself - they are continuing to keep that conflict alive, and making it ever more likely that at some point the Israelis are going to tire of the whole mess and just summarily drive the Palestinians into the Sinai Desert. There's a substantial - and growing - wing of far-right-wingers there in Israel now openly advocating for just that. The longer this conflict drags on, the more power those reactionaries gain.
And that would be the genocide you're claiming - erroneously - the Israelis are guilty of. They aren't there yet. But all these screeching angry voices "supporting" the Palestinians are bringing that day ever closer.
Find a better cause, and one you have some sort of actual lever to effect positive change. Seriously.
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wow, Schlomo is full of ####.***
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Of course.***
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like most atheists. Just call whatever you don't believe in a myth. QED.
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May 27, 2024, 3:06 PM
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Make bold claims without evidence and ignore contrary facts. It's easy.
Here's an idea. Since "Palestine" was really under Egyptian control in the time of Moses (if there ever really was a Moses, I'll just pull out of my ### that he was actually based on some earlier Mesopotamian myth or something ) just make Gaza and the West Bank part of Egypt? Bingo there's your "Two State Solution" right there. Oops. Egypt doesn't want them, as if they are radioactive. Their own Muslim Brothers no less. Say the Arabs in the West Bank are Jordanians. Nope. Jordan treats them as radioactive too. Even though they are Muslim brothers. Who could possibly be the problem here? It's gotta be those Jews.
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Re: like most atheists. Just call whatever you don't believe in a myth. QED.
May 27, 2024, 3:10 PM
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There really are no facts when it comes to Jesus being the son of God and most of the other nonsense in the Bible. Most things in religions are just myth. There could be a higher power though. Nobody knows. That's the mystery. Sometimes I think there is.
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all of it. He has an ax to grind. It's dripping with it. He hates his Jewishness
May 27, 2024, 3:17 PM
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Do you not even know who this guy is that you are standing behind?
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"Ax to grind" with who...? Why?***
May 27, 2024, 3:26 PM
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no offense, but I got suckered into this cesspool of idiots by a link under
May 27, 2024, 3:58 PM
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a Mange post. I thought this was the Amphitheater at first. Shame on the mods for putting a link to the Lunge equivalent Politics on the Main Board with their "Popular Board Posts" feature.
Carry on.
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Re: Which part of his article are you questioning...? What are you refuting?***
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Not getting into the article. I was responding to Swimmer's title. As far as Israel, I don't need any more info. My family on Mom's side are Jewish. Make me one. I have been to Israel on vacation. Anyway, I support Israel 100% and respect the culture of Israel and believe the society. I don't respect Muslims societies generally. I am biased though. Not a fan of Islam.
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Re: A simple question... Do you believe in the Torah?***
May 27, 2024, 3:39 PM
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Absolutely not. I like traditions though. There are tons of Jewish people that do not. Only 15% of Jewish people identify as Jewish due to religion. Maybe only about a 2/3 of Jewish people are religious. Most aren't even that religious if so. It's more about culture and ancestry.
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So it's "culture and ancestry" that justified the creation of Israel...?***
May 27, 2024, 3:53 PM
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Re: So it's "culture and ancestry" that justified the creation of Israel...?***
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To an extent, yes. It's religion, ancestry and cultural, and that was tied to persecution as the strongest reason. No Holocaust..No Israel as the country it is. Anyway, I know numerous people I grew up with and even an aunt and uncle that have moved to Israel. They aren't religous. They strongly identify and it's cultural. I will be hanging out with my atheist Jewish friend tomorrow. That guy spent 300k on his kids bar mitzvah. It's very strongly cultural for so many. Anyway, no Holocaust, no Israel as a nation.
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The concept of Israel as a state started in the late 19th Century (1800s).
May 28, 2024, 5:04 AM
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Maybe study up a little more...
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Re: The concept of Israel as a state started in the late 19th Century (1800s).
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The concept yes. That means very little. Believe me I know the issue better than you. You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.
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If you know so much, please 'enlighten' me... You have no idea what I know.***
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Thanks for taking the time to write a brief history on the many conquests of this small chunk of arid land.
Quozzel's write-up shows that both sides' claims that the land really belongs to them ultimately becomes meaningless blather grounded in mythology. Pick a chunk of land anywhere on Earth. Ask two tribes who owns that land. Fan the flames a little and, Presto! you've got a war.
Just a recipe for endless war. Anywhere, but especially in the Levant. Both sides (everywhere) need to leave this tired idea behind and figure out a better way to exist.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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Have you noticed how many inbred leftists like to pretend their fellow leftists aren't assaulting Jewish people and calling for the elimination of the Jewish people from the planet by starting moronic threads so their fellow morons can engage in a strawman circle jerk? I didn't think so.
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whatever MSNBCNN tells them to support, they'll support.***
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There is no such country as Palestine.
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There is no genocide by Israel.
You're backing the terrorists.
Shame on you!
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I’ve never seen this much crap since I left the ranch and the OP is truly a liberal delusional clown and I don’t even like Jews especially. I do respect them, though and you need a history lesson of what’s gone on over there for decades
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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Israel purchased that land when the whole place was a desert and produced nothing. Now that they've developed and irrigated it, the bottom dwellers want to say it belongs to them. Nah playa, it don't work like that.
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These people have been fighting one another since Abraham knocked up Hagar, and they'll still be fighting when we're all lost to the mists of time. Jews have been scorned by every civilized society known to man, and even Arabs won't take in Palestinians. F'em both.
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Re: Have you noticed how much people sound like Uncle Leo nowadays?
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And here I was thinking the people who have consistently, over the years, shot rockets into Israel and crossed the border to murder a bunch of young people and ultimately want there to be no Israel were the anti-zionist. And, their cronies that support them.
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