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CU Medallion [18504]
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Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 3:51 PM
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I assume it’s Ken Hatfield. Will Brad be more hated than Ken Hatfield if he comes back for another season. It could get Ron Zook at Florida bad by the time we tip off next season.
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Unfortunately
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Mar 16, 2023, 3:55 PM
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it isn't already Brownell!!!!!
Personality of a rock and the coaching ability of a clown!
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CU Medallion [18504]
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Re: Unfortunately
Mar 16, 2023, 4:02 PM
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I’m just gonna embrace it. If he and his followers have this little respect for Clemson and the investment made them #### them. We’ll burn each other down together.
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National Champion [7629]
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Hatfield***
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Orange Blooded [2021]
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Re: Hatfield******
Mar 17, 2023, 11:17 PM
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Valley Protector [1454]
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Hootie Ingram did more damage.***
Mar 18, 2023, 9:07 AM
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National Champion [7629]
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Re: Hootie Ingram did more damage.***
Mar 20, 2023, 4:48 PM
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didn't say Hatfield did a lot of damage, he came after Danny. He has to be the most hated. Just ask Bama fans about Jackie Sherrill.
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Ring of Honor [22921]
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I feel like we’re dang close to Zook level of dislike now.
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Mar 16, 2023, 3:55 PM
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Unfortunately, our administration isn’t listening…
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CU Medallion [20952]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:05 PM
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Even before Morehead St loss, Brownell was polling around 10% approval in posts and polls, and that's being generous.
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CU Guru [1501]
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Interesting. Where did you see those polls?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:39 PM
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Was this a poll of the lunatic fringe, or realistic people?
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Game Changer [1755]
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How bout one of the donors make a poll?
Mar 16, 2023, 6:34 PM
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Do you approve of the job Brownell has done?
@socman2 or anyone who gets to it first. I think 10% is probably pretty accurate at this juncture.
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:07 PM
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I really don't think most people hate Brad the person but they do hate Brad the coach.
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CU Medallion [18504]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:21 PM
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That’s changing fast.
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The 2010-11 FB DC***
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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In my lifetime. I believe Charlie Pell. Even though his
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:16 PM
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departure led to Danny Ford, at the time there was a whole lot of disdain for the way he left.
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: In my lifetime. I believe Charlie Pell. Even though his
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:39 PM
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People were mad when Charlie Pell left, but they sure loved what he did for the program.
Ken Hatfield took a lot of grief, but his offenses were not easy to watch, even when the team won.
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I was shooting the footage in Charley's living room for my
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Mar 18, 2023, 8:52 AM
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dad when Charley, half lit, swore he was never leaving Clemson. Dad ran it on the 11PM news after the Iptay Tournament that night. The next morning, dad had a friend who worked for Eastern Airlines call him and tell him a plane from UF was at GSP and they were taking Charley to Gainesville.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59525]
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I remember that on the news...They were loading the trucks
Mar 18, 2023, 9:23 AM
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at his house while the news was airing....
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:23 PM
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It’s Hatfield. I was there in the early 1990s when there were like 30,000 people in the stadium.
INBaldwin….. there were some hurt abt Pell leaving, but he was always regarded as the one that brought Clemson football back. He was introduced at the spring game many years ago, right before he died, he received a standing ovation. That would never happen with Hatfield.
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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True, looking back now. I just remember at the time
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:32 PM
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with his statements about he wasn't leaving.... there was really hard feelings (heck, my disdain of Florida leads back to this. Lol). However, Hatfield wasn't liked while he was there, and after he left.
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Re: True, looking back now. I just remember at the time
Mar 16, 2023, 6:49 PM
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NBALD--oh I get it. I was really upset as a young kid when he went to UF. I have met his wife Ward and learned his story and appreciate who he was.....not perfect--none of us are---but a good guy who wanted to help others...
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CU Guru [1501]
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Yup, and I remember Tommy West getting carried off
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:35 PM
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on players shoulders as fans chanted, "Tommy, Tommy, Tommy". This was after beating the coots and finishing 3-8 and already being told he was being let go.
We didn't hate Tommy. Just 3-8.
Similar to Brad in that I don't think he's "hated" so much as fans hating the groundhog day mediocrity and inconsistencies.
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110%er [9905]
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Re: Yup, and I remember Tommy West getting carried off
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:58 PM
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You’re correct. That was a painful 5 years but it was 5 years.
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Commissioner [1252]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:29 PM
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Hatfield had the misfortune of following Danny Ford. Tough to be the follow the success of those years. The administration did not handle the whole thing well. The year Hatfield was fired, his team won 9 games.
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CU Guru [1501]
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Those 9 wins were more of a mirage than
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Brad's 23 wins.
Hatfield was way worse Browneye.
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Associate AD [831]
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Re: Those 9 wins were more of a mirage than
Mar 16, 2023, 4:43 PM
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Ken Hatfield was a winner at Air Force, at Arkansas, and at Clemson.
His offenses were dull and he followed a legend. The fans simply never warmed to the guy.
Brad Brownell is simply a mediocre coach, at best.
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CU Guru [1501]
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Were you sitting in the rain in Death Valley when we lost
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Mar 16, 2023, 5:06 PM
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to a putrid Wake Forest team in front of about 30,000 people? His players had zero respect for him and they never bought into his style.
Ken won 10 games with one of the most talented teams in the country and in Clemson history. He parlayed that into 8 wins, then 5, before winning 8 games again in 1993. We did beat a ranked NC State (7-5) and Virginia (7-5) team that year, but we also had the aforementioned loss to Wake (2-9) in our house, a beatdown (29-0) to unranked Maryland (2-9) in our house, and of course the 57-0 debacle at FSU.
There's a reason Ken was fired after going 55-78 at Rice, and he never coached another down. He didn't have it anymore and the triple option was fading from the game.
He ended up 168-140. That's not a great coach. Sorry.
Howard built it, Ford filled it, Hatfield killed it. We didn't want to lose to 2-9 teams in Death Valley anymore. No good coach would do that.
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CU Guru [1501]
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Brad is a good guy.
Mar 16, 2023, 4:30 PM
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That is all.
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All-TigerNet [5714]
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Monte Lee
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:35 PM
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By a mile. The guy was a coot, is a coot and will always be a &@#% coot
After that it’s:
Bowden
Hatfield
Shyatt
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CU Guru [1501]
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Have to move Hatfield to the top of the list.
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:38 PM
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I mean fans (boosters and whatnot) actually wrote letters to recruits recommending they don't come here with Kenny as coach. Now THAT'S hate.
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Re: Monte Lee
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:38 PM
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Bowden? Heck no! He brought us Dabo and he could beat the coots like drum.
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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I don't remember Shyatt being hated. He just sucked
Mar 16, 2023, 4:48 PM
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As a head coach. Heck I actually liked him. Gave great analysis of why we lost after games. Not just the standard "we pressed", we missed open shots..."
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CU Medallion [18504]
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Re: I don't remember Shyatt being hated. He just sucked
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Mar 16, 2023, 5:15 PM
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He didn’t overstay his welcome.
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 4:53 PM
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viztiz® lol on the avatar!
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CU Guru [1501]
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Agreed. Instant classic!***
Mar 16, 2023, 5:08 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11382]
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Hated? That's a strong word. Charlie Pell would have to be
Mar 16, 2023, 5:04 PM
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the closest. He showed up, made us awesome - and then left for Florida.
And then it turned out that he cheated to make us awesome...and got Clemson and Florida put on probation.
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Orange Elite [5543]
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Give 'em Hell, Pell!
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Aw Hell, give 'em Pell!
Who remembers that?
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All-In [10950]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Mar 16, 2023, 5:04 PM
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Real adults do not hate.
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CU Guru [1501]
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Yeah! Hating is for kids!
Mar 16, 2023, 5:12 PM
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They normally hate broccoli and brussel sprouts.. people not so much tho.
Hating people, that's more of an adult thing, Ms Keller. Kinda like the majority of this site voting to ban you, well, because to put it nicely, you and your petulant trolling are immensely disliked.
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CU Medallion [18504]
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Re: Yeah! Hating is for kids!
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There is seemingly no subject he doesn’t have the wrong take on.
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Standout [340]
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Valley COOT, if you don't hate evil, then you ain't right
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as for me, I do hate Brownell. Personally. What he is doing to Clemson is nothing less than the rape that is created out stupidity.
If you want an analogy, talk to any Russian who lived through the Communist years. They had everything we have: incompetence rising to power, incompetence defending itself by using the power of Institutions, and incompetence being defending by sycophants intent on enriching themselves at the expense of others.
F*ck Brownell.
Hood & Co. banned me 3 years ago - I've come back for nothing but to spew hate at Brownell, and to do anything I can to have him removed. It isn't "civil" for him to enrich himself at the expense of Clemson and its fans. I don't plan on being "civil" to him in return.
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Heisman Winner [80137]
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This one needs a timeout
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:34 PM
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B-Meist®.
I'll give him this, he's been true to his words above.
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Standout [340]
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no timeouts necessary, but I will take the compliment
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:44 PM
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between me, Judge Keller, and Brownell, only one of us is being both truthful and also empathetic to the players.
BBO got it on the first try.
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Heisman Winner [80137]
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Hope you enjoyed your48 hour troll session.
Mar 16, 2023, 8:47 PM
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Cuz we sure have.
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Standout [340]
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Hate to tell you bud, had a relative as an IPTAY officer
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Mar 16, 2023, 8:53 PM
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They were about as high as you could go in IPTAY.
So, I'm hardly a troll. Just a true Clemson fan who has had enough of the lies of Brad Brownell.
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Heisman Winner [80137]
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Re: Hate to tell you bud, had a relative as an IPTAY officer
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Mar 17, 2023, 10:32 PM
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Had as in no longer? Did I interpret that correctly, bud?
Nobody cares. I wouldn't care if you were on the bored, you moronic old sac. You're as obnoxious as any coot I've ever heard crow, coot.
Go away.
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Paw Warrior [5061]
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In advance - Brad brownell
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A man can dream!
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Orange Blooded [2414]
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Re: In advance - Brad brownell
Mar 18, 2023, 9:41 AM
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Right now, it is Hatfield. But if Neff keeps BB around for more than one season, it will soon be him.
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tommy west***
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110%er [6166]
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Why would you “hate” Tommy West?
Mar 16, 2023, 7:10 PM
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He did his Brest, and then he got fired.
I’m much more likely to harbor I’ll feelings for quitters like Rick Barnes and Charlie Pell who used our program as a stepping stone.
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Paw Warrior [4605]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Rick Barnes. Two faced clown.
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Game Changer [1870]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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I don't really 'hate' any of these guys. They are good people. They just cannot do the job we have hired them for. We need/needed to fire them.
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
Mar 18, 2023, 3:25 AM
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He was disliked before he ever coached his first game. This was an embarrassing time in Clemson history. Coach Hatfield over his career was a successful HC was a man of morals, character and integrity. He ran a clean program and did things the right way.
His unfortunate fate was that he followed Danny Ford. I still have copies of comments made printed in the media and remember how he was torched on sports talk shows. Some of our Biggest booster’s actually tried to discourage recruit's from coming to Clemson as long as KH was Clemson’s HC.
I remember during games he was booed, people called him vulgar names from the stands during games. Where I was sitting there were many families with kids at the games. Someone even hired a plane to fly over the stadium during games towing a sign “ Fire Hatfield come home Danny “
From what I understand Danny dug his own grave. In his battle with the BOT and AD Bobby Robinson wanting wins over education. The Administration was fighting it was over an educational center verses an athletic dorm. Danny took it public which was a big mistake. I think he made it impossible for him to remain at Clemson.
Hatfield left with about the same wins as Danny had while at Clemson. Hatfield became successful at Rice while Danny struggled at Arkansas where he was eventually fired. Many may disagree but I feel we owe Ken Hatfield an apology for the way he was treated at Clemson because he was not DF. He did not interact with the fans , people at the ESSO club or other places in Clemson people turned on KH quickly. He was different but he tried to meet fans half way. Many fans wanted a DF clone so we ran KH out of town. That’s how we ended up hiring Tommy West. We know how that turned out. TB was an excellent hire and he began the culture change at Clemson. Dabo was the icing on the cake.
IMO when it comes to coaches being hired and fired I believe we should leave it up to those in the know at Clemson. The Clemson administration.
Now we come to Coach Brownell ! I don’t remember many fans giving BB as much support over the time he has been here. What if he had been given s lot support the players may have responded with more wins, more effort and more success.
Give him support and get the students to the games. Let’s support Clemson Basketball. Let’s support all of athletic programs. Let’s don’t make Brad Brownell anther Ken Hatfield!!!
Go Tigers ! 1 3 3 4 C L E M S O N fight tigers fight tigers fight fight fight !
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
Mar 20, 2023, 4:02 PM
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You just blew away your credibility with that third “fight”.
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
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Cecil "Hootie" Ingram......hands down, no question about it.
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
Mar 18, 2023, 8:58 AM
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I dislike the way a few have ran their programs but I can’t say I have just hated any of them.
Hatfield would have been fine had he knew how to recruit the area. Lack of his recruiting ability brought what Ford had done spiraling.
I’m more upset with the way the Ford deal went down more than any other thing Clemson sports related.
I had heard of the Pell debacle but that was a few years before I was old enough to know what was going on. Ford was the man when I became invested.
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CU Medallion [20868]
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Brownell will never be a former coach apparently so he is
Mar 18, 2023, 10:53 AM
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disqualified from this discussion.
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Orange Blooded [2021]
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Dl coach Chris punk rumph
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Talked trash when he left for Bama and would have a recruit battle between us. I saw some things on Twitter that I'd never hurt him back at clemson.
I mean BV was wrong but I'd take him back in a heartbeat
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
Mar 20, 2023, 10:44 AM
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Bowden I liked Hatfield. Though Tiger Nation didn’t give Hatfield chance
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Hall of Famer [8226]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
Mar 20, 2023, 11:26 PM
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Me like steak. No like chicken
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Game Day Hero [4565]
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Hatfield hands down. Danny would have won another NC
Mar 20, 2023, 1:45 PM
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if he had stayed. Everything was in place.
Hatfield was the beneficiary of Danny's recruiting and that is the only reason he won
Hatfield was a terrible recruiter.
And he left the program in shambles which took us over 30 years to bring back thanks to Dabo
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Playmaker [355]
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Re: Who is the most hated former coach in Clemson history?
Mar 20, 2023, 5:09 PM
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Hatfield. I went many a game and never went in.
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Hall of Famer [8226]
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Mine is Brownlee in advance
Mar 20, 2023, 11:28 PM
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But I would say overall Hootie Ingram
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