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Heisman Winner [79837]
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Activism in the Olympics
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Aug 10, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Or as I call it - "kids being stupid".
First off I believe the Olympics are about individuals, not countries, but that ship sailed under President Carter.
I believe activism is fun in the Olympics if one does it for things like country, or their Mama.
Many kids see this an opportunity to teach us or to goad us as to politics. I don't think Olympics is a good venue for that, but am OK that many of yall do.
I would rather see good sportsmanship. I would rather see putting our many differences aside for a week to celebrate human brotherhood in sports.
Here is one of my many Olympic heroes being an activist -> George Foreman.
My buddy geech72® asked, "What did you accomplish in your athletic career?"
I will reply that most of us have not yet called it "a day" as to being an athlete.
Maybe elderly folks like LLB and I are down to an athletic goal of not tipping over as we use our walkers to get the couch. (made it 3 times in a row yesterday).
Olympians are the best of the best, they do what they can. They inspire the rest of us to do what we can.
I don't like to see politics in the Olympics or any sports, but that is now the way of the world.
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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Aug 10, 2024, 3:39 PM
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On a brighter note, I have seen a great deal of sportsmanship in the Olympics these past two weeks.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101299]
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Dang TUG..
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Aug 10, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Leave me out of the getting to the Couch (i prefer Sofa) with a walker or cane scenario since I could still hop over that 6' succker now..
as I actually did in 197? when Steve Fuller threw that last minute pass to Jerry Butler in the Coots end-zone to win game in Cola.
What a comeback after leading entire game by nice margins!
LBB: Original PAW Flag Bearer 1977-92.
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Paw Warrior [4701]
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Re: Dang TUG..
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:03 PM
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Leave me out of the getting to the Couch (i prefer Sofa) with a walker or cane scenario since I could still hop over that 6' succker now..
as I actually did in 197? when Steve Fuller threw that last minute pass to Jerry Butler in the Coots end-zone to win game in Cola.
What a comeback after leading entire game by nice margins!
LBB: Original PAW Flag Bearer 1977-92.
1977 Bill!
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Heisman Winner [79837]
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hop over
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:04 PM
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Good deal.
You and I could meet for beer and have a hopping contest, or maybe compete as to the best "Shag" moves.
I once challenged old Spud, but he turned me down.
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Clemson Sports Icon [53508]
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:20 PM
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After that evil start I haven’t watched a moment of it!
I’m not boycotting but I don’t support those who make fun of my Savior who’s first in my life.
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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I understand how you feel
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:24 PM
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But Simone Biles, Noah Lyles, Katie Ledecky, and Gabby Thomas had nothing to do with the opening ceremonies.
You missed a very entertaining two weeks
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All-Pro [768]
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Re: I understand how you feel
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Aug 10, 2024, 8:49 PM
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- Boycotting is a necessary part of the social balance of power
- Boycotting almost always include collateral damage
Both statements are true. No, none of the names you mentioned had anything to do with the decision making, but if you fully believe in your (moral) cause, you have to take that stand. Otherwise you reward the people who DID make that decision with added riches AND embolden them to do it again. Society only works if there are consequences for actions.
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Tiger Titan [50925]
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The ratings for these Paris Olympics have been fantastic.
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Aug 10, 2024, 9:56 PM
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Significantly higher than it was for the Tokyo games.
It doesn’t seem that the “boycott” has made a difference.
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All-Pro [768]
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Re: The ratings for these Paris Olympics have been fantastic.
Aug 10, 2024, 11:24 PM
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Certainly didn’t say anything about being successful. Simply giving logical reason why someone would do so.
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Solid Orange [1392]
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So you didnt boycott but you also havent watch any sporting
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:32 PM
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activities of the Olympics? So I guess you just aren’t interested in them at all either way?
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Tiger Titan [50925]
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110%er [3652]
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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Aug 10, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Christianity is basically the combination of Judaism and many different pagan religious traditions. The scene had nothing to do with the last supper, but was about pagan gods who share similarities to the christian myth.
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Rival Killer [2976]
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
Aug 10, 2024, 9:52 PM
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I’m not at all twisted up about the opening ceremonies, though I am a follower of Christ. It’s what I would expect from France. But your statements are full of inaccuracies and ignorance.
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110%er [3652]
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
Aug 11, 2024, 1:14 PM
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The birth date of most of the sun gods is December 25. It's the date of the winter solstice and the date adopted by the church as the birth date of Jesus Christ. The December 25 date is given even though the Bible says the shepherds were in their fields when Jesus was born, meaning Jesus had to have been born in the spring (Luke 2:8).
At the time of the winter solstice, the sun "dies" for three days starting around December 22, when it stops its movement south; it is then born (resurrected) on December 25, when it begins its movement north.
The sun was seen as traveling through the 12 signs of the zodiac. It's possible Jesus' 12 disciples symbolized the signs of the zodiac. The sun gods often had disciples or attendants (although not always 12 in number).
The pagan gods had magical births, and some were born to a virgin. The gods frequently impregnated young human maidens.
The pagan gods often had titles like “The Light of The World,” “The Way,” “The Good Shepherd," etc. These names have been used for Jesus Christ.
The pagan gods sometimes had a “Last Supper” with their followers before their deaths.
The pagan gods often were resurrected after death.
Baptism was a common ritual among the followers of the mystery cults. John the Baptist may have been mimicking this ritual, importing it into Judaism.
The tradition of consuming bread and wine as the symbolic (or actual) blood and flesh of the god was part of the mystery religions. This corresponds to Jesus saying, “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:54).
https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Mythic-Origins-of-Christianity-True-or-False
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CU Guru [1535]
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Aug 11, 2024, 1:16 PM
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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Ignore at the peril of your soul.
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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I asked the question of someone who sought to discount the contributions of a US
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:22 PM
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athlete because he was triggered by her activism; not you. He said the USWNT finally won another gold because they finally got rid of the far right’s most hated female athlete; which just isn’t true. Say what you want about their off field antics but no one can question the athletic accomplishments of LeBron, Staley, Griner, and yes even Rapinoe.
I too would prefer sports to be just about sports and that’s one of the cool things about the current Olympic Games. I haven’t seen any instances of activism or any political messages so far during any of the actual athletic events. Of course I don’t seek them out to feed my outrage either; so, maybe I’m just not seeing what others are.
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Heisman Winner [79837]
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I dont seek them out
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:36 PM
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In my opinion this has been the most political Olympics - ever. I guess that may be because of the World Wide Web.
I have not watched any of it live as I don't have access. I watch events later on utube that have interest to me.
The opening ceremony set the tone for this Olympics.
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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Im 100% serious outside of the opening ceremony the only thing Ive seen is the
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Afghan break dancer with the free afghan women cape. Literally everything else I’ve seen was 100% about the action on the court/field/pool etc…
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Heisman Winner [79837]
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Re: Im 100% serious outside of the opening ceremony the only thing Ive seen is the
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Aug 10, 2024, 4:54 PM
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If I were king I would limit Olympic events to maybe 10 centered around track and field events with some swimming.
It is not that I don't like many other events, but let those like break dancing (why no Shag contest) and artistic swimming have their own championships.
I would have zero team events.
I would have no events where corrupt judges decide who won.
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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I agree about the judged events I prefer sports with actual winners and losers
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Aug 10, 2024, 5:04 PM
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But I can’t get on board with eliminating team sports; some of the greatest moments in American sports history have come from Olympic teams sports.
I just have one question for you; do you believe in miracles?
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Heisman Winner [79837]
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do you believe in miracles?
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Aug 10, 2024, 5:05 PM
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No.
I want to believe.
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Solid Orange [1392]
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Associate AD [1000]
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Re: I asked the question of someone who sought to discount the contributions of a US
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Aug 10, 2024, 6:41 PM
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I am sure most coaches “off the record” would say the activism often cause a loss of focus on the athletics. Being a great athlete provides a platform and I believe folks should be able to use that platform. For the most parts- The GOATs, with the exception of Ali, did not participate in the activism because it would cause them to lose focus on being the best. Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady were only about being the best in their primes.
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Tiger Titan [50925]
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Sadly, many people just want to be offended.
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Take the opening ceremonies for example. The tableau in question wasn’t about the Last Supper, and event organizers and the choreographers have said that it wasn’t. They apologized for unintentionally offending anyone.
Yet many people have continued to cling to their belief that it was some attack on Christianity, and have ignored significant evidence to the contrary, and have missed out on a great Olympics. It’s as if they are looking for a reason to be persecuted.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: Sadly, many people just want to be offended.
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Aug 10, 2024, 8:43 PM
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So they said it wasn’t about the last supper.
What did they say it was about then?
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Tiger Titan [50925]
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Youre just being obtuse, right?
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Aug 10, 2024, 9:57 PM
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You can’t be seriously asking this.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: Youre just being obtuse, right?
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Aug 10, 2024, 10:01 PM
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How more acute can I be?
I’ll ask again.
What did they say it was about?
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: Google is an extremely useful tool
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Aug 10, 2024, 10:48 PM
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I guess you’re one of those that believes everything you read on the interwebs.
I did read the article and. . .
Honestly if the Olympic committee could not see how that would offend the most populous religion in the solar system then shame on them.
Has anyone checked with any Pagans to see if they were offended by drag queens portraying one of their Gods?
Why would anyone apologize if they believed nothing was wrong with what they did?
You believe what you want. I will believe what I want.
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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What did they say it was about?
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Aug 10, 2024, 10:54 PM
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That’s the question you asked and I gave you the answer. Nothing more full stop.
I don’t care what you believe; all I did was give you a direct answer to a direct question.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: What did they say it was about?
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Aug 10, 2024, 11:13 PM
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Okay. You win.
I disagree. I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to ask anymore questions and it was a full stop as you say.
The reason I asked more questions is because the article (or answer as you think) was not a full stop truth. It was full of he said, she said. Nothing definitive.
How would anyone know what a pagan party from 1600 years ago looked like? If you can’t see the reference to multiple Christian paintings then that’s fine. I clearly do.
Nice to know you don’t care what I believe. That shows exactly the type of person you are.
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Game Changer [1898]
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Re: What did they say it was about?
Aug 10, 2024, 11:34 PM
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You have better discernment than most and thank you for your service. The dark character riding the white horse in - clearly a dig at the return of the Antichrist in John’s revelation. The golden bull/calf behind the Olympic rings…a reference to idolatry of the Jews worshipping the golden calf. And perhaps a nod to molech, the pagan god of child sacrifice. Many religious scholars and historians have weighed in that the symbology was clearly pagan and a nod to satanism. Yet a Brazilian surfer is threatened with disqualification if he uses his surfboard with a caricature of his God on it…yep you guessed it. Can’t have Jesus at the Olympics. That’s just too offensive. People are so blind.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: What did they say it was about?
Aug 10, 2024, 11:51 PM
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Thanks for weighing in.
I do want to correct you on one thing you said though.
I did not serve our country in the military. Not brave enough to ready up against another person with a weapon and not afraid to admit so. Thank God for the ones that do.
My avatar is because of other people in my family who have. Lots of stories they have shared with me that are almost unbelievable.
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Orange Phenom [14581]
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Im not trying to have a discussion with you about the intent of the display
Aug 10, 2024, 11:43 PM
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You asked a question twice; What did the SAY it was about. Not did they tell the truth when they gave their explanation. They said it was about the feast of Dionysus; that’s all I was conveying to you.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: Im not trying to have a discussion with you about the intent of the display
Aug 10, 2024, 11:56 PM
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Okay. And I disagree with their explanation.
So now I’ll ask you. Do you believe their explanation of the performance?
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Tiger Titan [50925]
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You seem to have made up your mind about what it meant
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Aug 11, 2024, 1:00 PM
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even though multiple people involved in the actual event (Olympics organizers and the choreographer himself) said otherwise.
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110%er [3879]
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Rival Killer [2802]
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Re: I asked the question of someone who sought to discount the contributions of a US
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Aug 11, 2024, 6:09 AM
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You could actually say the women finally won gold because rapinoe wasn't on the team. Leboner great???? No. I'll pass. Those are two people who allowed their personal iniquities to dominate their athletic career. You can keep them. Who is this griner? Never heard of this person or their ATHLETIC accomplishments. I watch sports/sporting events in an effort to enjoy a purely athletic exhibition, not be schooled in morality by someone who has absolutely zero credibility.
Also, the "last supper scene" and the whole fake meat debacle didn't influence viewership? Plenty of people I know we're quite emphatic about not watching because of these antics. Then there was the whole "Seine river" fiasco. The whole Olympics was a disaster that overshadowed what should have been the accomplishments of some very talented and dedicated people. They didn't deserve to have to be related to Frances moral ineptitude
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Heisman Winner [79269]
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Re: Activism in the Olympics- without that one special moment we
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Aug 10, 2024, 5:13 PM
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might not have the George Foreman grill.
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All-Time Great [88837]
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Looking back in history, today's political statements
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Aug 10, 2024, 5:54 PM
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seem like kids' stuff:
1936 Berlin - Nazis proclaimed Aryan superiority.
1968 Mexico City - John Carlos and Tommie Smith with the black power salute on the podium
1972 Munich - Muslim terrorists kill two Israelis and captured others.
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Heisman Winner [79837]
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Re: Looking back in history, today's political statements
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Aug 10, 2024, 5:58 PM
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Carter boycotts the Olympics crushing the dreams of kids who had worked their but ts off for years to get there, making it all about him and not the athletes.
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: Looking back in history, today's political statements
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1936.
Jesse Owens wins 4 golds in the face of Hitler and was the only athlete that medaled who was not invited by FDR to the White House.
That is the most embarrassing political statement of the modern day Olympics in the USA.
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FDR is perhaps the most overrated president weve had.***
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Aug 10, 2024, 9:59 PM
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Game Changer [2045]
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Re: FDR is perhaps the most overrated president weve had.***
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I’l concur.
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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Tug, I am proud to say that I have not one minute of the so called olympics. Give me one reason to cheer for the USA teams when they spit in the face of America every chance they get.
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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Aug 10, 2024, 6:28 PM
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No place for politics or activism in sports. Your favorite sports team and games are supposed to be an escape from the everyday worries and problems of life. If you play for my team I don’t care what your position on anything is. Just go hit, throw, catch and score. If you want to use your celebrity after the game and after the team colors and jersey’s come off by all means go ahead. But when you step on that field stand for the flag and anthem that I fought for and my brothers died for because this country and its veterans gave you the opportunities that put you where you are. People watch sports to relax and be happy not to be reminded of all the country’s and world’s problems. That’s all, Go Tigers!
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I just watched the men's basketball medal game and ceremony.you'd have been
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Aug 10, 2024, 6:37 PM
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proud of them. They fought their tales off and brought no politics into either. Well done by them!
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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Aug 10, 2024, 8:27 PM
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"No place for politics or activism in sports. Your favorite sports team and games are supposed to be an escape from the everyday worries and problems of life. "
This is your first mistake. Thinking that everyone has to watch and enjoy sports the same way and for the same reasons you do. Some would say that the platform these athletes have come with a responsibility.
Also, if there is no place for it in sports, why are we singing the national anthem before games? What does that have to do with a ball game? Honest question.
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Game Changer [1773]
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
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The national anthem isn’t political. It’s patriotic same as the flag. Taking a knee is political turning your back on the flag…political. You can use your status after the games end and you take off the jersey to show your politics. Has no place in sports. Sorry if that’s difficult for you to understand. The national anthem is patriotic and having common ground.
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Re: Activism in the Olympics
Aug 11, 2024, 12:42 PM
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You still haven’t explained what it has to do with sports.
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Solid Orange [1392]
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What? Who and what do you like thenit cant be clemson, as our athletes have
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VERY diverse backgrounds and opinions. But you are on Tigernet, so I get the sense you overlook their opinions and not Olympians? Oh and a Clemson discuss alum won the Gold, but he's from Jamaica so maybe you don't have the same hatred for him as you do our US team so maybe he'd have been fun to watch for you?
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Re: What? Who and what do you like thenit cant be clemson, as our athletes have
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Aug 10, 2024, 7:00 PM
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Wow, I don't have hatred for anyone (maybe BBO).
It is Sat so maybe the alcohol speaks for you?
I have had some Becks beer on the porch where it is 200 degrees, so maybe I am also in your mental shape, or I would not respond to you calling me out.
I like to watch all sports as I enjoy competition.
Your post is a ramble, go back, clean it up and we can have a fun debate.
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Re: Let me guess, youre voting for Trump.
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We all better hope Trump wins! Otherwise this country will be run by Hamas and hezzbolah. Talib, Omar and the squad which includes cackling camilla. There is only one way to save this country and it isn’t through cackles and her lying ###. Not to mention tampon Tim and his stolen valor.
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TigerPulse: 80%
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Re: Let me guess, youre voting for Trump.
Aug 11, 2024, 12:41 PM
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You said that four years ago and we’re all still here.
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