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Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100848]
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Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:27 PM
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Saying, posters NiKE & FRANCIS MARION respectively researched & posted these two stunning percentages of Dabo “with” & “without” some of Clemson’s best CFP Assistant Coaches.
Dabo With Brett Venables; 89.4% in wins.
Dabo WithOUT BVenables: 71% in wins.
Dabo with Tony Elliott. 89% in wins.
Dabo WithOUT TElliott: 74% in wins.,
These figures are uncanny and stunningly even..and show Dabo needs smart assistants as does any leader of a major program or organization.
Coach “is” a leader, visionary, CEO, organizer, recruiter, salesman, front man & good field coach, etc but he needs that help from astute associates/assistants and it appears he has not found “all” those needed to excel again simply based on his current lower % of wins last 3-5 years..but he’s not too far off to doubt his ability to hit another home run, or better a Grand Slam.
Hey Dabo, would you please come to our office for a chat! LOL~
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Correlates more to the talent on the field than the coaches.***
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:30 PM
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The only reason Dabo should be called to our office
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:31 PM
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is to be given an award for hiring such amazing assistants, even ones who were not proven. Keep up the good work!
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I can't believe you left out the assistants that didn't work out, thank him for
Dec 27, 2024, 2:46 PM
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those too...You thought they were amazing too
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Re: I can't believe you left out the assistants that didn't work out, thank him for
Dec 27, 2024, 5:09 PM
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Those assistants did not stay long, at least the positions that 5hey occupied when shown the door.
Three years max for 7nder performing assistant coaches. The uninvited ones are traditionally shown the door approx mid-January.
Who among our existing coaches is an under-performer after 3 years on the job?
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:32 PM
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I think BV, Elliot,and Dabo are better together. BV is not exactly tearing it up in Okie and Elliot will soon be out of a job as well I’m afraid.
Good coordinators don’t always equate to good head coaches.
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
Dec 27, 2024, 5:10 PM
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BV isn’t coming back, even if he gets canned at OK.
You realize that, of course.
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
Dec 27, 2024, 5:15 PM
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He will bide his time in one job or another until K State comes calling, but I don’t ever see him coaching here again. People are delusional and generally want what they can’t have.
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LOL You old miserable #####,
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:34 PM
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Clemson has been an ALSO ran most of your Rum Drinking life. WITHOUT Dabo, Clemson still would be !
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100848]
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Hey MRTTMT..I agree my posts from 2009-14 about
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:43 PM
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Having a Rum or two while out shag dancing was a part of the evening of having fun..
But Never stocked alcohol or beer at home but did have an occasional bottle of wine for the Lady..and sadly haven’t shag danced in 10 years so rarely a Rum drink now..
So please refrain from calling me a Rummy but you may critique my opinion in a fairer way.
TIA!
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Ultimately - Dabo is the One Who Built the Program
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Of course, assistants matter - and each of those former assistants was important. But Clemson was ascending under Dabo even before he hired any of them. Then each of those assistants excelled with Dabo at the helm.
Ultimately, Dabo is the one who built the program.
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this 'data' is worthless. So many other variables to consider
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:48 PM
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this is how uninformed decisions are made.
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Yeah, take out DW and TL and let's see the percentages plummet regardless of
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Dec 27, 2024, 2:55 PM
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who was coaching
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100848]
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Fair enough..other Variables are to be considered!
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Dec 27, 2024, 3:02 PM
[ in reply to this 'data' is worthless. So many other variables to consider ] |
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Like:
“Quality” of players recruited during & after BV, TE & Jeff and others left.
“Recruiting” abilities of those 3 coaches vs current coaches.
“Development” of current players vs 5-10 yrs ago.
“Involvement” of NIL & Portal.
Etc~
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 3:04 PM
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What are Tony Elliott and Brent venables records without Dabo?
Much worse
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 3:13 PM
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Wise people would say, compare draft picks during those years and you will easily see that recruiting is the problem, not coaching.
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Now do those three combined records without Dabo
Dec 27, 2024, 3:33 PM
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 4:04 PM
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With Dabo
Two national titles and seven CF playoff, 10 ACC championships.
Without Dabo
Zero national championship over 35 year span
Zero ACC championships
Zero 10 win seasons.
I will take Sabo way all day. I have lived through both.
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 4:06 PM
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Clemson football all time winning percentage 62.5%
Clemson football winning percentage with Dabo 79.8%
The 62.5% is higher as well due to Dabo's winning percentage being included.
I like Dabo. 
SJT
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 4:07 PM
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Dabo never has been or will be a great x&Os coach. He was a great recruiter that brought in 5 star studs. Unfortunately that’s no longer the case…our current class is ranked around 35 with a bunch of 3 star diamonds in the rough. Now that he can’t recruit elite players we are not at an elite level anymore. You can easily see that from his results over the last 5 years. Just stating facts🤷♂️
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 5:32 PM
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I couldn’t disagree more. Dabo is a fantastic Xs and Os coach. Don’t let the Aw shucks Maam act fool you. It’s the oldest trick in the book.
Only knock I would consider fair against him is he loses track of time management at times which is really frustrating, someone on staff should have that matrix memorized and be feeding the coordinators/Dabo time management advice during situational football.
I would hear out the argument that he overvalues loyalty from a wins perspective, but I don’t give that much weight since this sport was not intended be a professional league. But that’s out the window now, I guess.
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 4:47 PM
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Re: Good Grief, DABO may be our problem, not other coaches!
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Dec 27, 2024, 5:35 PM
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Dumb post
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100848]
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DUMB. But has merit when you compare those % stats VERSUS what
Dec 27, 2024, 6:11 PM
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Dabo is doing with his own & presently recruited coaches vs those three Natty-winning helping coaches.
Saying..
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