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Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 9:57 AM
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If any of you are old enough to remember when people believed that the "AFL" was not worthy of playing an NFL team, much less for a championship, we have a similar situation with the the Group of 5 today.
The "Esso Plan" (ESP)
There are,
• 5 Power 5 Conferences
• 5 Group of 5 Conferences
• 6 at-large selections by committee (from any conference or independents)
• All teams are given a seeding
Behold the ESP
• Conference Champions from all 10 Conferences make the playoff
• Highest seeded Power 5 Champ plays Lowest seed Group of 5 Champ
• Game is at the Power 5 or highest ranked, almost always the power 5, home field
• Also in Round 1, the 6 at large teams face off with highest seeded team hosting lowest etc.
• Naming rights for those 8, 1st round games are bid out to sponsors and played over a 2 day
"Playoff Mania Weekend. This 2-day weekend of 8 games is packaged and sold to the highest
bidder.
• After the 1st Round, there are magically, 8 teams left.
o Seedings carry over and are used to determine which teams play in which bowls
? Four bowls bidding to host those "Super 8" games.
? Winners advance to "Final-4" to be held in two cities that have won the bidding to host.
? The “Final-4 Round" TV package is also bid out separately
o Finally, the Championship Game is bid as a package to the host city and the TV networks.
Why this makes sense:
1. All conference Championships get in.
2. Limited at large teams have to win in a at-large pool game to move on.
3. Group of 5 get an opportunity to pull the big upset, get exposure and recruit with that
opportunity.
4. While committee selections are not eliminated they are minimized
5. Every team does have a path to the championship.
6. Regular season and Conference Championship games mean something more than they do today.
What say you?
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 10:09 AM
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So what does the "S" stand for in the ESP?
I'm going to go with surreal.
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 10:15 AM
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So what does the "S" stand for in the ESP?
I'm going to go with surreal.
the "S" is a secret that is known only by those that actually received their free Steak Knives from Crump for becoming a paying member.
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17 game season? May as well...
Jan 12, 2022, 10:14 AM
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We're paying them like pros. May as well work 'em like pros, too.
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Re: 17 game season? May as well...
Jan 12, 2022, 10:18 AM
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We're paying them like pros. May as well work 'em like pros, too.
Give me a break, the lower divisions have had playoffs for decades without causing issues. But if you want to carve a week off the season , go back to 11 game regular season, and drop the cupcake week.
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Re: 17 game season? May as well...
Jan 12, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Glad you mentioned the "lower" divisions. The one where NDSU has one 9 of 11 Championships in a 24 team playoff format. Expanding the brackets will give you more football but not better football. It will not stop the whining. March Madness is up to 68 teams and they still cry they were overlooked.
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Guess I am ok with that, but a couple of comments
Jan 12, 2022, 10:30 AM
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1) I think having all 5 G5 champs in the field of 16 is excessive. Some years, you might say the same thing about the P5 champs. So maybe say that the top 8 ranked champs get automatic bids, and the other two can compete for an at large bid
2) What if we let the playoff committee determine who plays in conference championship games, instead of arbitrary division champs. Then we would have the best two teams from each conference playing for the championship. If you think that favors teams who don't qualify for the conference championships too much, then do what someone else on this board suggested earlier this week - play the 10 conference championship games and 2 other games among the top 4 (as determined by the committee) who didn't qualify for championship games on Championship Saturday. The 12 winners make the CFP, with the Top 4 getting byes.
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 10:38 AM
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15 games max and we dont need a bunch of SEC teams in the mix. Why would someone put that much time in something only to provide a silly (at best) plan?
how about this:
9 game regular season
top 64 teams in a playoff
bottom 64 teams in a second playoff (think NIT)
First three rounds the lowest seed hosts (for parity)
Everybody has a seat at the table and we finish with a max of 15 games.
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 11:51 AM
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I like it but some teams only get 10 games. How about 8 game conference regular season.
Everyone enters seeded pool play similar to regionals in baseball. 5 teams with 2 home 2 away.
Then an 8 team playoff based on the winner of each of the top 8 pools. Consolation playoff for the next 8 winners like the NIT.
That is 12 games for everyone and a manageable playoff that you have to earn entry into.
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So teams would have a maximum of 6 home games a season?
Jan 12, 2022, 12:17 PM
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Would P5 teams really go for that, when many currently have 7 or more?
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Re: So teams would have a maximum of 6 home games a season?
Jan 12, 2022, 12:57 PM
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You would have 6 home games against P5 teams and elevated TV money from the pool play. This would easily offset the gate revenue of 1 game. Biggest loss is money games for group of 5 teams. This could be offset by TV contracts for the bottom 2 pools and gate revenue from getting P5 teams at home in some cases. Otherwise the Power 5 may have to make some allowances to fund essentially a lower division.
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Re: So teams would have a maximum of 6 home games a season?
Jan 12, 2022, 3:43 PM
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Would P5 teams really go for that, when many currently have 7 or more?
Sure Power 5 champ teams would be getting a Home playoff game, where they are heavily favored, the stands would be packed. Unlike the meaningless bowl games. The little guys cant complain there is no path for them. As a matter of fact every team then has a path .
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 10:41 AM
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Now this is the best I’ve heard yet. Better than letting 30 bowl games go unwatched waiting on bowls with ranked teams that have won at least 8 games.
Now what can y’all do to get rid of the portal and NIL?
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 10:48 AM
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Based off the rankings prior to bowl season I think the match ups would look something like this
Alabama vs NIU
Michigan vs UTSA
Baylor vs Utah State
Utah v Ragin Cajuns
Pitt v Cincy
UGA vs Michigan State
Notre Dame vs OK state
Ohio State vs Ole Miss
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Do we really need to see the top 4 of those games?
Jan 12, 2022, 1:06 PM
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I would hate to have a start player get hurt in the second Q of one of those games. Let's face it, those top games won't be competitive past half time.
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Re: Do we really need to see the top 4 of those games?
Jan 12, 2022, 3:48 PM
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I would hate to have a start player get hurt in the second Q of one of those games. Let's face it, those top games won't be competitive past half time.
Then let them sit out out. this is a marshmallow world we find ourselves in. Those nobody's are being played by all the power 5 teams at least once, for some of them twice already! I listed my reasons at the end of the OP. For the dude that said why would someone waste that much time and come up with such a stupid plan. Get a life, it was better than reading the headlines in of the online news sites today.
The Esso Plan is a good one , I tell ya , yes, yes indeed. :-} I do say so myself.
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 10:54 AM
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8992Tiger solution:
Only go deep enough to include Clemson. If we are #1, then it stops there and we get the trophy. If we are 25, it is a big tournament.
Now, I'm not crazy; I'm realistic. If we aren't in the top 25, they don't need to include us and then it won't really matter anyway.
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 11:37 AM
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That adds 5 games, so 15. But schools cant afford to lose 2 home games, if only 9 reg season games some loose 2, some 3. If 10 reg( still loose 2) and Conf CG that makes 17 games. If we had been in the playoffs this year TigerNet would have had to suit up for games 14-17.
Make 5 P5 conferences of 16 each. The conferences pick up anybody else worthy. Also rebalance divisions every 4 years.
11 game regular season ( No FCS, may
revenue share or let them have playoff games during Christmas week).
10 Div winners and 6 at large play at Top 8
home stadiums for first round 1st weekend
of Dec.
Then Second round 3rd week of December at
neutral sites (conf champ and bowl sites). Semis and Final same as now.
Only 15 games but have playoff revenue to make up some.
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I remember how the AFL was perceived as a "junior", or
Jan 12, 2022, 12:59 PM
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"farm" league compared to the NFL, especially after Green Bay romped over the AFL Champions in the first two Super Bowls.
That is what made Broadway Joe Namath's "Guarantee" of a New York Jets victory, and then actually pulling off that miracle upset over the Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl III so important. It legitimized the AFL, and cemented the Merger. Prior to that game, there were at least Smoke Signals that the NFL was considering trying to back out of the Merger deal.
The Kansas City Chiefs upsetting the Minnesota Vikings "Purple People Eaters" the very next year also added to AFL prestige.
Two things I loved about the old AFL.
1) Their first games began at Noon, East Coast time, vs 1 pm for the NFL.
2) The AFL was a passing league, first and foremost. QBs like Namath for the Jets. Dawson for the Chiefs, Lamonica for the Raiders, Hadl for the Chargers, and others. The NFL at that time was still "Three Yards and a Cloud of Dust" on offense.
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Re: Esso solves the playoff CFP conundrum ---
Jan 12, 2022, 1:26 PM
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I have been more for breaking down NCAA schools into 4 champions.
Division 1-4 with the Division #1 champion having the title of National Champions.
32 teams in each division. Standard NFL style play-offs.
The champion and runner up of Division 2 has the choice of moving up a division and bumping out the lowest two from the next higher division the following season.
Totally ends the debate about who is best based on their schedule and toughness of opponents. No ranking or seeding. Your win loss record comes first, then who beat who, then points for and against to determine play-off spots. Division 1 only plays division 1 teams with no cake games so some lesser team can get TV money/exposure.
If your program gets better it can move up to the tougher division and prove itself. If it does not it can still claim legitimate championships. Losing a single game does not end your championship hopes as it allows teams with a rough start to prove they seriously improved over the season. Makes all of the "bowl games" into play-off or championship games that have some actual meaning as to why they are playing. College football viewership would improve over all.
Put it this way. I see no reason why a "national Champion should be able to pad two games with some FBS team or a lowly 120th ranked UConn. If every game was against a legitimate top 32 team and a team came out undefeated and won the National Championship game that would mean way more than this stupid method we crown a champion by now.
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One minor adjustment
Jan 12, 2022, 3:54 PM
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Same format and numbers in all regards with one exception:
In order to lower the number of games played and weeks taken away from academics/rest, eliminate conference championship games. All 10 regular season division champions from the power 5 get auto bids. Then the 5 group of 5 champions, then one at large, who is the highest ranked in the CFP rankings but not one of the above 15 auto bids- doesn't matter if they're an independent, P5, or G5.
By knocking the conference championship weekend out, the vast majority of teams will still play their customary 12 games. The 16 teams who play the first round of the 16 team playoff would be playing in conference championship games anyway, but P5 division champs wouldn't be knocking each other out within their own conference, thus P5 conferences would get 2 teams each with a chance, but the SEC wouldn't be the only ones given bias entries every season. In round 2, only 4 teams will get an additional game added to their season, since 4 would have been in the current playoff. In the final four round, only 2 teams would get an additional game, same in the final round. Ultimately, you're adding FOUR GAMES to the season, which would only result in ONE additional game for EIGHT TEAMS in order to get all this benefit, and have a championship that is TRULY decided on the field, since everyone has a tangible path.
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16 teams is perfect - look for the SEC to try to get all
Jan 12, 2022, 5:49 PM
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