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Orange Blooded [3462]
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Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 12:48 AM
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You know, the kickoff return after the safety ...that brilliant play. I just wonder which coach actually called that. I believe that was the turning point in the game.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 1:46 AM
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The play gained several yards before the PLAYER fumbled the ball. You can't blame that on the coaches. Some of you are reaching for anything to complain about.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 3:58 AM
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Both fumbles in last Saturday's game were not forced in any way. Both players just dropped the ball without their arms or ball getting touched. The play looked like a well-conceived try to catch the coverage team into not covering their lanes.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 7:05 AM
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No the gunner poked the ball when he went to wrap up. I don’t think he intended to cause a fumble but the kickoff fumble was undeniably forced by the coverage team.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 7:25 AM
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Mafah did NOT wrap up. Had he protected the ball, he would NOT have fumbled. Williams did NOT protect the ball either when about to be hit. He let that ball slip under his elbow. None of the players this year wrap up. They don't protect the ball with two arms when about to be hit or when going down. That is the SINGLE common theme and cause of all the fumbles this year. Somehow, the message is not getting through to the players to cover the ball with two hands and arms. Basic rule of thumb learned in Pee Wee football. I don't understand why they continue to hang on with one hand.
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Letterman [257]
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The punt return fumble was forced. Didn’t look like
Nov 29, 2022, 10:17 AM
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the SCar player was trying to cause a fumble, but when he made the tackle his hand hit the ball.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 4:20 PM
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not so, player punched the ball out on Williams fumble at the end of the game. It was good defensive play.
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You mean a player who isn't used to returning kicks
Nov 29, 2022, 9:59 AM
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fumbled the ball?
And that's not the fault of the person who put them in that situation with no logical basis whatsoever to do so?
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Re: You mean a player who isn't used to returning kicks
Nov 29, 2022, 10:14 AM
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LOL. He was a running back. How is protecting the ball on a kick return any different than protecting the ball on a toss sweep? Seriously. ?
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Re: You mean a player who isn't used to returning kicks
Nov 29, 2022, 4:21 PM
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stupid comment.... he's an offensive player who is used to handling the ball... it was a good defensive play.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 10:07 AM
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But why does Clemson have to resort to trick plays to beat the coots? With this roster it should have been no problem punching them in the mouth repeatedly!
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 2:29 PM
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You are correct and this is not the first time this has happened.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 4:22 PM
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it was a good play, got yards, did not end well... could have happened ag any time...
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 4:27 AM
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No, a player fumbling isn't the coaches fault necessarily. But what gets me us we will be that creative on a kickoff, yet turn around and be so vanilla on offense. Like how about just be vanilla on kickoffs and actually get a hair creative on offense? Maybe a post route? Maybe not so many super delayed QB runs right up the middle? I mean anything other than screen right?
Nope. Let kickoff fumbleroosky!!! ?♂️
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 12:17 PM
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We don't have receiver other than A Williams who has a snowballs chance in Hades of beating the two DB's who would be covering him for the ball on a post route.
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the fumble had nothing to do with the design of the play
Nov 29, 2022, 6:54 AM
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it was actually a perfect time to call a trick play. If it hits, it might put the game away.
Players got to hold onto the football. Credit coots for knocking ball out
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Orange Blooded [2862]
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Not sure, that fumble looked unforced to me
Nov 29, 2022, 7:08 AM
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It looked like Mafah thought he was part of Cal v Standard in 1982.
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No. We had momentum after the safety. All we had
Nov 29, 2022, 7:22 AM
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to do was hold onto that momentum. We didn't. We didnt have to score. Just keep them down. They would have broken. Not only did we lose the momentum, we let them score and take it from us.
Just like we say players must play with controlled aggression, coaches must, as well.
And the play itself was bad by design. Figure the time it takes for the ball to leave the kicker's foot and get into the arms of the return man plus the time for the return man to get to the little 3 stooges huddle plus the time for the ball to be transferred means coverage is on whoever gets the ball almost immediately. And given the fact that it was a trick play, the players are a little more amped up. The huddle should have been right beside Shipley. But the ball was caught near the sideline, so that negated any directional confusion by the coverage. Coaches should have told him prior to abort the play if he catches it on the sideline and to just run straight until he goes OOB.
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The safety in effect was a +5 for SC
Nov 29, 2022, 9:56 AM
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We'd been better off with them punting from their endzone.
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This post right here shows the IGNORANCE of most
Nov 29, 2022, 10:42 AM
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DA people on message boards with no clue. HAD THE PLAY CAUSED THE FUMBLE, it would have happened at the exchange,not 10-15 yards downfield. The fumble was 100% Mafah's fault, no player even forced the fumble. Mistakes happen,Mafah is not fumble prone,but all Humans make mistakes.
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Re: This post right here shows the IGNORANCE of most
Nov 29, 2022, 12:55 PM
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Mafah had not returned a kick for the entire year. And he fumbled. Is that a coincidence? I don't think so.
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Re: This post right here shows the IGNORANCE of most
Nov 29, 2022, 4:24 PM
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another dumb comment... Mafah handles the ball all game, a kick return is no different, he was handed the ball it wasn't like he was trying to catch a 60 yard punt for the first time in his life ...
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 9:37 AM
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THAT WAS A ""DABO PLAY"" 100% --it's his DNA
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 9:54 AM
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All it did was give them field position, if we don't fumble....there was about a 80% chance we're punting it right back to them from the spot we were at. The game changed when Dabo didn't call Timeout on 4th and goal at the 4 up 14-0. The 2 4th downs we didn't stop were killers....even tho they didn't score on the 2nd 4th down conversion due to the pick in the endzone. A stop there gives us the ball at their 34 yard line. DJ was horrible as usual, but the game was still very winnable if they just made better decisions on a few plays.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 9:57 AM
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I'm hearing that was Dabo's idea......
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The play was fine, he just fumbled.***
Nov 29, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Re: The play was fine, he just fumbled.***
Nov 29, 2022, 10:30 AM
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I would like to have seen Shipley in the Stooge's huddle, suddenly pass the ball across the field to one of our guys. He probably would have been wide open. What they did by having four of our guys in the huddle stand with their backs to the oncoming opponents means that it is a crap shoot if our guy with the ball gains yardage or runs right into an opposing player.
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I mean you know it was Dabo***
Nov 29, 2022, 10:32 AM
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THE Play worked
Nov 29, 2022, 10:38 AM
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RB fumbled, he doesn't fumble much, it happens. For the play to have something to do with the fumble, it would have happened at the exchange,not 10-15 yards down the field .
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How can a sane person say the play worked?
Nov 29, 2022, 10:40 AM
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It resulted in a fumble in our territory. The play didn't work.
To your point about where the fumble happened - maybe Mafah never really secured the ball because it was an odd exchange and he was rushing to continue the weird huddle break thing they were doing.
You have to have the understanding of cause and effect of a goldfish to think that play worked.
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The play did not cause the fumble
Nov 29, 2022, 10:43 AM
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A sane person knows that.
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Yes, it did.***
Nov 29, 2022, 6:38 PM
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Re: THE Play worked
Nov 29, 2022, 11:29 AM
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I wouldn't say the play worked. Shipley would have gained the same amount of yardage if he kept the ball. I think it only went for maybe 10 yards after the huddle.
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Re: THE Play worked
Nov 29, 2022, 12:32 PM
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I agree. I think a lot of kvetching about the play is hindsight being 20/20.
I can see the argument that we didn't NEED it at that point, but sometimes you put something on film so future opponents have to worry about it.
As you noted, if the fumble happened in the sugar huddle that would be one thing. But Mafah got good yardage and fumbled, I believe, without being hit.
At that point, that has nothing to do with the call... it's honestly just bad luck (or coaching if you want to note he should have been taking better care of the ball). No different, really, that 0 fumbling on a normal return later in the game. Sometimes, as much as we hate it... it IS just football and these things happen.
It's easy to point to, but we retained the lead until 10 minutes to go in the game so if you're saying that play was why we lost it strains credulity.
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Re: Do we know who called that play?
Nov 29, 2022, 10:49 AM
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There was no reason to resort to trickeration. Just run the dang ball.
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Sounds like it was Dabo.
Nov 29, 2022, 12:48 PM
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I was so surprised by that and hated it. I was in the stands and as soon as I saw the trickier I was like why? Than the fumble happened ?
Just get the ball and pound it with Shipley and Mafah. We were the better team and didn’t need to do trick plays.
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Nothing was wrong with the play.
Nov 29, 2022, 12:58 PM
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A little silly? Yes. But Clemson does those every once in a while - like that play we run once in a blue moon where the ball is hiked but all the linemen remain static.
That play in and of itself didn’t cause the fumble. You can suggest to Dabo that we fair catch everything.
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