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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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Sorry, it wasn't a tackle. Vasturia got his hand on the ball
Feb 11, 2015, 3:11 PM
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watch the replay
J.B. goes up for the shot at the 1:47 mark in the video here:
http://www.tigernet.com/story/basketball/Final-shots-drop-Irish-avoid-upset-Littlejohn-13524
the last time the ball hits the floor before Rod Hall goes down, the ball is closer to Vasuria than Hall
not a dirty play
not an intentional take-down
a foul? maybe. IMO a reasonable no-call with both of them going for the ball.
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Top TigerNet [31581]
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100% foul
Feb 11, 2015, 3:15 PM
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You're right they were both going for a loose ball. The both got there, but the Tiger was standing on his feet and the defender was leaping into him. It's simply a foul. Not a dirty play at all, but 100% foul.
Not why we lost. Not blaming that at all. But it is a foul.
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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nope, he didn't leap into him
Feb 11, 2015, 3:18 PM
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he went straight for the ball.
when he starts his dive Rod is 3 feet outside the 3-point line and Vasturia comes down right on the line.
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Top TigerNet [31581]
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He lept to the ball, of course
Feb 11, 2015, 3:21 PM
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But when he landed he landed through the legs of a Tiger who has just as much right to that spot as the defender. It's a foul. Again, not dirty, and not why we lost. In fact I'd argue we had a better chance ultimately with it not being called as we got a decent crack at a 3, and aren't known for being good from the line for the tie.
But it is a missed foul. One of the sort that is missed all the time, but a foul none the less.
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CU Medallion [18200]
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It would have been a foul if he have dove into Marcus Page
Feb 11, 2015, 3:26 PM
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like that and even the Heel knows that much
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Clemson Sports Icon [59444]
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Partner, if you dive for a ball and cut the legs out of
Feb 11, 2015, 5:00 PM
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another player, it is a foul. Just like you cannot go charging through a guys back to get a rebound....well, now that I think of it, that is just what happened to Jitte last week, so maybe you can if you are not CLemson.
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Clemson Conqueror [11405]
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You can bet your ####, if Hall was on UNC team, he would
Feb 12, 2015, 10:53 AM
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have gotten the call, without a doubt. If you don't think that was a foul, you are loony.
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CU Medallion [18200]
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shocker....the Heel thinks it was a good no-call***
Feb 11, 2015, 3:20 PM
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Orange Blooded [3066]
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Re: Sorry, it wasn't a tackle. Vasturia got his hand on the ball
Feb 11, 2015, 3:26 PM
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Ja;; was taken down by the ND guy's hand. That is a FOUL in most leagues. Not the ACC with a UNC/Duke or ND involved.
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Orange Elite [5510]
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Re: Sorry, it wasn't a tackle. Vasturia got his hand on the ball
Feb 11, 2015, 3:28 PM
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You can block a shot, but if you make strong body contract is a foul call. Same applies here, don't tell me you've never seen a foul called on a steal lol Plain contact/trip/tackle whatever you wanna call it was made. It wasn't 2 players getting their feet tangled...it was a foul.
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Clemson Conqueror [11368]
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Interesting, I didn't know that rule. You can dive right
Feb 11, 2015, 3:43 PM
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through a guy as long as you touch the ball.
No one has said it was a dirty play. But it was a foul. The Tigers had many chances to not let it come down to that play though.
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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look at it closely and slowly
Feb 11, 2015, 4:44 PM
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if you stop it just before it moves from 1:49 to 1:50; you'll see that he did not dive "into" Rod
when he dives - straight at the ball - Rod Hall is 3 feet from the 3-point line
Vasturia lands on the line after getting his hand on the ball
a few folks have called it a 'tackle' or a 'chop-block' ala GaTech... they're wrong
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Top TigerNet [31581]
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he dove to the ball.
Feb 11, 2015, 4:54 PM
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The Tiger was there, standing, and gaining possession of the ball when he landed on his legs.
It is, quite simply, a foul.
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Clemson Conqueror [11758]
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you have your sports confused.
Feb 11, 2015, 5:29 PM
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It's soccer that you can take out the other player if you get to the ball first...not basketball.
It's like knocking a player down after a shot and claiming you touched the ball so it isn't a foul...
don't see any part of your reasoning that makes sense.
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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equal right to the loose ball, it's that simple
Feb 11, 2015, 6:54 PM
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and Vasturia was closer when the ball hit the floor - it bounced just inside the arc behind the free throw line with 8.2 seconds left
at 8.1 he's still closer, but the ball is bouncing toward Hall.
their hands hit the ball at the same instant at 7.9
Hall never had possession. he had put both hands on the ball, it's much more likely a foul
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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more bad typing
Feb 11, 2015, 7:28 PM
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if he had put two hands on the ball
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Legend [6776]
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Re: equal right to the loose ball, it's that simple
Feb 11, 2015, 8:17 PM
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So if it's a loose ball then you should be able to push any player out of the way, as long as you're going for the ball right?
It was a foul, and it should have been called.
But there was spotty officiating both ways last night, so it didn't surprise me that they swallowed the whistle.
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CU Guru [1099]
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Re: equal right to the loose ball, it's that simple
Feb 11, 2015, 11:19 PM
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There is no burden of intent in sports. It doesn't matter why or how he made contact. In fact, the ball could have been bouncing right beside of him. Doesn't matter. You cannot go thru another player. Period. Contact was made. And you even admitted so. That is a foul. End of story.
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Valley Protector [1413]
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While both went for the ball, Hall clearly had control a
Feb 12, 2015, 2:14 AM
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second before he was taken to the floor by the ND players momentum.
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CU Guru [1262]
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Re: Sorry, it wasn't a tackle. Vasturia got his hand on the ball
Feb 11, 2015, 4:47 PM
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You need to take half your name away. Tarheeled needs to be your moniker,nowhere do you deserve to add "tiger". You would fit in well with the rest of those cheating,blue-bellied ######## in Chapel Hill. Do you think a foul would have been called if Hall played for uncheat. You know the answer. uncheat would receive the death penalty for all of their academic fraud if the NCAA had any guts. Yes,Dean and Roy were part of the farce. Excuse me,but that is the real way I see it.
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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thank your for your original and relevant reply
Feb 11, 2015, 6:56 PM
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Valley Protector [1413]
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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don't really see that
Feb 12, 2015, 12:44 PM
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he barely touched it and Vasturia knocks it away
if Hall gets both hands firmly on the ball, it's a whole different scenario... if he had been there a milli-second sooner...
shows how hard it is to make those calls in real time
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Orange Elite [5493]
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Re: Sorry, it wasn't a tackle. Vasturia got his hand on the ball
Feb 11, 2015, 7:09 PM
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W T F are you watching Tarhole. Get this crap out of here you troll
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Rival Killer [2675]
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This isn't soccer, hitting the ball first doesn't mean it's
Feb 11, 2015, 7:36 PM
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not a foul.
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All-TigerNet [11934]
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In the 16 years I worked for NC State I never once went on
Feb 11, 2015, 8:08 PM
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any Wolfpack message board to rile NC State fans over an issue like this and especially never to show bias for Clemson.
It just seemed like a silly and useless thing to do, so I drew my paycheck and kept my mouth shut.
Since you work for Clemson, but pull for UNC, I honestly don't understand your purpose or motivation here ...
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All-In [10900]
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Re: In the 16 years I worked for NC State I never once went on
Feb 11, 2015, 9:39 PM
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He needs to be RA'd out of here
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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not trying to rile anyone
Feb 11, 2015, 10:05 PM
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just expressing my opinion - which is more objective than most here, or so it appears
there were several posts about the 'tackle' or the 'chop block' IMO they were wrong.
i'm a season ticket holder for basketball.
i pay much closer attention to the Tigers than i do the Heels
and i pull hard for the Tigers except for one game a year
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Orange Beast [6326]
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there is not one human being..
Feb 11, 2015, 10:26 PM
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on the face of this earth that are both a Clemson and tarhole fan. It is not possible
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Ultimate Tiger [33255]
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Who cares ? Does it matter - big picture ?
Feb 12, 2015, 6:48 AM
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One of the huge things I can't stand about tarholes - generally speaking - an OVERWHELMINGLY abundant sense of self worth.
Exhibit A
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Athletic Dir [1165]
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So tell me tarhole, since you're being objective and all,
Feb 12, 2015, 10:14 AM
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what do you think should have happened to your beloved joke of a school and their high academic standards?
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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anxiously waiting
Feb 12, 2015, 12:39 PM
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what should happen? who knows? would have to know the specificis/details about player eligibility to even get close to a reasonable answer
i will say i don't think Chapel Hill should be nuked and the ground sewn with salt
we're all waiting for the NCAA to make a ruling... they move slow and they just got back into it late in the fall.. end of Oct or early Nov
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CU Medallion [18200]
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Should lose accreditation at the VERY least.....They have
Feb 12, 2015, 2:06 PM
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certainly made a mockery of their academics...That and a 3 year postseason ban starting this year should do it...
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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you'll probably be disappointed
Feb 12, 2015, 6:28 PM
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the debacle involved one academic department out of more than 70
the hours 'earned' in the paper classes represent a miniscule fraction of the number of hours earned in the time frame, something on the order of one-sixth of one percent
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Re: anxiously waiting
Feb 12, 2015, 2:07 PM
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That's some nifty dancing right there !!
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CU Medallion [18200]
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ain't it though?***
Feb 12, 2015, 2:07 PM
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: Sorry, it wasn't a tackle. Vasturia got his hand on the ball
Feb 11, 2015, 9:37 PM
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Good lord stupid and drunk is no way to go through life son.
Seriously gtfo and stay on Tar Heel boards.
Go mourn over your cheater of a coach.
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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another insightful reply
Feb 11, 2015, 10:08 PM
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thank you for your contribution to the discussion.
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CU Medallion [19353]
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Re: another insightful reply
Feb 12, 2015, 10:22 AM
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typical troll response you are a joke #### off. That was a foul in every since of the word. You are not allowed to dive adn take out a players legs.
This isnt soccer where a tackle is legal as long as you get ball first.
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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did it hurt? leave a scar?
Feb 12, 2015, 12:40 PM
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when they removed your sense of humor?
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Re: did it hurt? leave a scar?
Feb 12, 2015, 2:09 PM
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Oh now you want to be cute !!
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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what's wrong with a little levity?
Feb 12, 2015, 6:22 PM
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hunor is usually a good respond to inane vitriol
you'd rather i stoop to his level and engage in a urination contest?
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Valley Protector [1413]
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Both initially went for the ball, however Hall clearly won
Feb 12, 2015, 2:11 AM
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that battle and for a second had control. The ND player's momentum carried him into Hall's legs taking him (Hall) to the floor. It was a bang bang play which was a struggle for this particular crew to deal with (see back court violation called late).
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Tiger Spirit [9221]
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looked to me like Hall barely touched it
Feb 12, 2015, 12:48 PM
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before Vasturia knocked it away
indeed, a split-second call. shows how hard it is to make those calls in real time.
we have the luxury of stop-motion video hindsight
as i said in another response, if Hall gets both hands firmly on the ball, it's a whole different scenario
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CU Guru [1099]
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Re: looked to me like Hall barely touched it
Feb 12, 2015, 1:54 PM
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If the ball isn't even in the equation, it's still a foul. The ball position is irrelevant. The fact that the ball is even involved is also irrelevant. Contact was made = foul.
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MVP [508]
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It doesn't matter if you're going for the ball.
Feb 12, 2015, 6:59 AM
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You cannot run through or reach through an opponent at any time, anywhere on the court. The foul rules just don't disappear for a loose ball. This is a frequent and egregious violation often not called by the referees. It's not a legal scrum on the floor. If you lay on an opponent, it's a foul. If you tackle an opponent (with or without the ball), it's a foul. If you reach through an opponent's arms or legs, it's a foul. If your right shoulder hits the opponents ankle and causes him to trip and fall, it's a foul. Also, Vasurius' layup had a phantom foul called on Ajukwa. Connaughton's drive to the basket had a completely bogus foul called on Nnoko who was just standing there, very still with arms down. Nnoko also was called for a foul in the first half for a completely legal and immobile pick. The refereeing left much to be desired. There were multiple plays, not just one, and they clearly changed the outcome of the game. Clemson outplayed Notre Dame most of the game. It's a shame to see this outcome. Now, if we can get someone better than Hall (i.e., a motivated Harrison) to play defense on the opponents best player, we would have a better chance.
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Orange Blooded [2609]
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Somebody please get rid of this thread***
Feb 12, 2015, 6:30 PM
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