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Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:18 PM
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I'm not saying this just about Clemson; I'm saying the new landscape has changed the culture that attracts top talent. Everyone now expects to be paid; top players expect top bucks. There is no longer a penalty for leaving a program. They don't like it, they go somewhere else without consequences. And they have a path because someone else is always there with an open checkbook.
Developing the man along with the player no longer resonates with a lot of these recruits, and even their parents. For those in need, money talks. You either put up or shut up if you want to build a top tier roster.
I also don't think players respond to coaching like they used to. The dynamic between player and coach has changed. Money has brought lots of unintended consequences and now, simply opening everything up to free agency has changed the priorities. Play me or trade me is becoming the new normal.
Dabo wants to hang on to the culture that brought him so much success and I don't blame him for that. But in a world where much of what he values no longer resonates, holding fast to what got you to the top will not be enough to keep you there.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:22 PM
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The dynamics have certainly changed and Dabo will have to adjust, but I think it still matters. It still matters to most successful organizations and pro sports organizations. Those that don’t have a “good locker room” tend to not sustain success.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:59 PM
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I agree it is still important. As the subject line states, it is no longer the advantage it used to be because of how much things have changed and priorities have changed.
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You would like to think that Culture would still mean something but
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:23 PM
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the sport is now simply an Auction.
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Re: You would like to think that Culture would still mean something but
Sep 2, 2024, 2:26 PM
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Well, it does not have to be that way. It is not that way in the NFL. IF you are drafted in the nfl you play for that team or you sit a year.
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Re: You would like to think that Culture would still mean something but
Sep 2, 2024, 3:21 PM
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Kind of like it used to be in college...
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The NFL can do that. College can't.
Sep 2, 2024, 3:46 PM
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The NFL has 32 teams.
FBS has 134.
The NFL has zero teams that require a Congressional Appointment.
College has 3.
The NFL has a partial antitrust exemption.
College does not.
The NFL has a minimum rookie salary.
College does not.
Apples, meet oranges.
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I think culture still matters a lot.
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:28 PM
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We should continue to make it a priority.
Dabo’s problem was believing that our culture was the reason for our success. Elite talent at key positions, coupled with some outstanding assistant coaches, are the reasons we had so much success. Culture meant that we did things the right way and nurtured young men, but love and family didn’t make us elite.
Dabo clearly thought that culture played a bigger role than it did, which is why he believed he could hire young and unproven assistants who were good guys and fit our culture. He believed we could maintain our success. He was wrong.
At the end of the day, players are looking for what they always have: opportunity to play at a high level. Whether that be in college or, for a select few, at the NFL level, that’s what they want. Ideally, they also want to be in a nice place with great facilities and other perks. NIL has added up front money to the equation, but money was always part of it for the elite guys - they just thought the money would have to wait until they got to the NFL.
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Re: I think culture still matters a lot.
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:56 PM
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I think you basically agreed with me  I didn't say culture doesn't matter; I said it isn't the advantage it used to be. As you said, Dabo thought culture played a bigger role than it did. I would say he was right to use culture to his advantage, which it was at a time when everyone else had to compete on basically the same terms. However, when money and free agency came into play, the value of culture dropped as a selling tool. Not to say it isn't still important, it just isn't as effective of a selling point as it used to be.
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The excuse has always been that using the portal
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Sep 2, 2024, 3:23 PM
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would damage culture. Keep in mind, you are trying to protect the same kids that are now bailing on you. Culture isn’t keeping kids here. It’s great to have and you should definitely have it, but it doesn’t win you football games in the end. You can win at the highest levels, use the portal as needed (very lightly if you are recruiting/evaluating HS kids well) and still have great culture. This isn’t an either/or scenario. You can have both. You got to ask yourself this… Is Dabo right and the 130 so odd coaches wrong??? Saban was wrong????
People need to realize this, there is a distinct gap in talent between Clemson and Georgia. Don’t fool yourself. And this Georgia team isn’t as good as the ones in the past few years. Why that has been allowed to happen from 2018 is beyond explanation.
If you are not gonna make a legitimate effort to take kids from the portal to fill the unavoidable holes you will invariably have in your roster, you better recruit at an ELITE level. We have recruited well. But not at the same level as Georgia or Alabama or Ohio State. When you don’t recruit comparable classes to your peers AND get ZERO help from the portal…… You are making a BIG and unnecessary gamble that you can develop your lower rated kids better and hit on almost every kid you take and have hardly any injuries. The chances of that happening are ZERO over several seasons as proven by our results the past few years vs our peers in a friendly ACC schedule. You simply can’t refuse to make a legitimate effort using the portal and then not be all in in getting the very very very top players in high school no matter what. If you refuse to do either…..you’ll get the results we now have.
Again, keep in mind, the reason for our downfall is not that someone is doing something to us. It is totally self-inflicted. Zero reason for it.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
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Sep 2, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Culture and $$$ now.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
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I couldn't agree with you more, 79. Unfortunately, good culture got its legs cut out from under it by the selfish twin evils of the NIL/Portal rule changes. Dabo's way was great for its time, but I don't believe it will work anymore. The deck is now stacked too decisively against it.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
Sep 2, 2024, 3:12 PM
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The deck is stacked against any team without a huge alumni base to buy players. It does not really matter that much who the coach is when you are not playing on a level field. Just be grateful that Clemson was able to win a couple of titles before college football was destroyed by the big money boys.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
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I think recruits and their parents will always love the family friendly environment, the holistic approach to developing men, the values we place in faith and high character, etc. The problem is lots of programs show the same stuff and no one knows for sure during the recruiting process if it is true or not. They find out about that once they select a school and get on campus. However, they clearly see the difference between programs when it comes down to the financial equation.
The differentiators now seem to be money, how fast can I see the field, and what can you do to assure I maximize my athletic potential and get to the next level. I think they are looking harder than ever at the quality of the coaching staffs and their NFL coaching experience. This has probably never mattered more than it does now.
Our headset has to change and we have to get geared toward addressing the new world priorities of these young men.
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Re: Culture is no longer the advantage it once was...
Sep 2, 2024, 3:56 PM
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And we just lost a 4 Star 2025 recruit to Duke because he said they cared so much about faith and family
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Stop repeating that canard.
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NIL and the portal are good things.
The evil was the NCAA enriching themselves and their members by using a blatantly illegal system that exploited the athletes.
You guys is exactly backwards from the truth.
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"Got it backwards..." ******
Sep 2, 2024, 3:48 PM
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Sep 2, 2024, 3:50 PM
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Losing to UGA wasn't a culture issue. It was a lack of talent on offense issue. You can have great culture and lose games to more talented teams. That's what happened Saturday. Culture may help you win a game if the talent is close, but it only goes so far.
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I believe we are a greedy people who think throwing money at a problem...
Sep 2, 2024, 3:51 PM
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is our first and best solution.
The first step in solving a problem is make sure you know what the problem is. It's not to find someone to blame it on or pointing fingers. That's not to say Dabo isn't responsible for our distress but many here are simple minded finger pointers.
The second step in solving a problem is find out why the problem developed and solve the many smaller problems which caused the problem.
The last, very last and final issue is to find the least expensive way to fix each of the issued determined by the first few steps.
Simply going from, 'We have a problems,' to 'Let's spend our way out of it,' will put the most successful entities out of business.
People crying to fire everyone involved in the problem and hire those who we thing can fix it are simply admitting, they have no idea what caused the problem and how to solve it. Firing players would be exactly what most of the loudest and most aggressive voices on this forum are calling for.
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