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Walk-On [75]
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Cade sliding
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:32 PM
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I was just looking at list of Tua’s many concussions. It made me think. If you want to keep a QB safe you should reward a feet first slide not penalize him yards for doing it. Simple solution, mark him where his feet finish. Now he’s safer by not diving head first and the coach isn’t angry at him for jeopardizing the first down.
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Yeah that is a stupid rule
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:40 PM
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They are pretending they want safety but penalize QBs that do it
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National Champion [7416]
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Re: Cade sliding
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Mark them down at the point of tush-strike. According to the rules that is where they are down.
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National Champion [7416]
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Re: Cade sliding
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:43 PM
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Where the a** hits the grass so to speak
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Paw Warrior [4605]
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Re: Cade sliding
Sep 30, 2024, 3:13 PM
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Exactly, this was the rule forever, I don't see why it ever needed to change and it is just idiotic to penalize the team for sliding. Just make fake sliding an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and mark the ball wherever it was when keester struck turf.
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Re: Cade sliding
Sep 30, 2024, 9:04 PM
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This is the correct way to police the Pickett slide issue
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110%er [4076]
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Hmmm - common sense - I do not think this will fly in the world of officiating***
Oct 1, 2024, 8:07 AM
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Top TigerNet [30393]
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Yeah that rule is pretty much incentivizing QBs
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:45 PM
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To dive head first
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Re: Yeah that rule is pretty much incentivizing QBs
Oct 1, 2024, 7:51 AM
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I wondered why Carson Beck always dives headfirst; which allows defenders to still hit you. I guess taking a small shot is worth the extra yards.
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Nope. The rule is good as is.
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:50 PM
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The runner is down when any body part other than the hands and feet touch the turf, regardless of the reason for it.
Slides are good. Protecting sliding players from defensive hits is important.
If what you want happens, defenders are going to load up on the sliding player.
That will cause a lot more concussions than maintaining the current rule.
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Re: Nope. The rule is good as is.
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Sep 29, 2024, 2:01 PM
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Actually in college the runner is down when he “starts” to slide. That is when he starts lowering his body, even before touching the ground. That rule modification was put in place after the qb faked he was going to slide but did not.
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Walk-On [75]
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Re: Nope. The rule is good as is.
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Sep 29, 2024, 2:07 PM
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You could do what I recommend and flag a guy for faking a slide.
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Orange Blooded [2161]
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Re: Nope. The rule is good as is.
Sep 30, 2024, 1:22 PM
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they already do that... you cannot fake going down...
the slide works but QB's have to start their slide after the make the yards they want not into the yards they want... this is counter intuitive if anyone played baseball where you slide to end on base not slide once your past the base...
Also ... a hand down on the ground is not considered down...
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Re: Nope. The rule is good as is.
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Sep 29, 2024, 2:15 PM
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I remember the Pitt QB faking it and got more yardage few years ago. Makes sense now. Thanks.
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Re: Nope. The rule is good as is.
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Sep 29, 2024, 2:07 PM
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You could change where they mark a sliding player and still flag a guy for hitting a guy who’s already sliding.
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National Champion [8071]
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Re: Nope. The rule is "NOT"good as is.
Sep 29, 2024, 7:17 PM
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The runner is down when any body part other than the hands and feet touch the turf, regardless of the reason for it.
Slides are good. Protecting sliding players from defensive hits is important.
If what you want happens, defenders are going to load up on the sliding player.
That will cause a lot more concussions than maintaining the current rule.
You are 100% wrong. In college, it's where the player "begins the slide" not when any body part other than hands and feet touch.
And, as someone else stated, where the behind and ball are is what should be considered.
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Game Changer [1646]
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Re: Nope. The rule is good as is.
Sep 30, 2024, 10:50 PM
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Why? Flag the defense for hitting a sliding qb. Mark the slider down where he is down. And then flag the qb for fake sliding. SIMPLE.
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don't want to incentivize someone hitting them in the slide***
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:53 PM
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Walk-On [75]
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Re: don't want to incentivize someone hitting them in the slide***
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Sep 29, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Flag for hitting a guy that’s sliding. Flag for faking a slide. Fixes the two issues that arise from marking a slide fairly. Right?
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Game Changer [1646]
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Re: don't want to incentivize someone hitting them in the slide***
Sep 30, 2024, 10:52 PM
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Exactly.
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Cade has to be aware of where he is on the field...
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Sep 29, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Yesterday was not the first time he's done that.
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Re: Cade sliding
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Sep 29, 2024, 2:19 PM
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I don't mind him protecting himself but he needs to have better awareness of where he is on the field. He did the same thing on a drive against GA. In both cases, it looked like he had time to get the first down and then slide. I understand it is a split second decision but just hope he can get the timing right moving forward.
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Paw Warrior [4854]
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Re: Cade sliding
Sep 30, 2024, 9:49 AM
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Yeah, so then the defender hits the sliding guy to stop his progress.
Otherwise, why not just slide for 20 feet?
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Re: Cade sliding
Sep 30, 2024, 12:00 PM
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Great point.
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It is definately a DEA thing
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:51 PM
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same line judge.
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Re: Cade sliding
Sep 30, 2024, 10:44 PM
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As others (not all) have specified, Cade's issue is that he begins his slide early. Because he is marked down well before he actually touched the ground, he sometimes gives up critical yardage.
Some have suggested (I think Munson or others) that if he dove headfirst he could be sure of getting the yard to gain right and attain the First Down.
THIS IS ERRONEOUS.
If a QB is giving himself up, it doesn't matter (for purposes of spotting the ball) which way he does it--he is still marked down where he began his slide/dive. He doesn't gain yardage by diving. So far as contact goes, he is more protected by sliding than diving--so teaching a QB to dive is actually worse than sliding. He gains no yardage and endangers himself more.
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Re: Cade sliding
Oct 1, 2024, 12:12 AM
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How would diving for a first down be any different from diving for a TD? He’s not giving himself up by diving, he’s attempting to make the extra yards. I agree with others that the ball should be marked where their butt hits the turf. By marking it when they start their slide encourages them to go an extra yard before starting their slide, which allows the defender an extra split second to try and make a tackle, inevitably leading to hitting the QB while trying to slide.
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Orange Blooded [2161]
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Re: Cade sliding
Oct 1, 2024, 12:30 AM
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actually you are erroneous:
NCAA 2023 Rules:
Ball Declared Dead ARTICLE 3
A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound their whistle or declare it dead:
r When a ball carrier obviously begins a feet-first slide.
Any time a ball carrier simulates or fakes a feet-first slide, the ball should be declared dead by the on-field officials at that point (A R 4-1-3-III and IV)
Example:
3/10 @ A-35 Quarterback A11 sweeps to his right and goes into a feet-first slide to give himself up When he starts his slide, the forward-most point of the ball is at the A-44, and when he comes to a stop the forward-most point of the ball is at the A-46 RULING: Fourth and one at the A-44 The ball is dead at its forward-most point when he starts his slide.
Cade needs to START his slide t the yard to gain, not into the yard to gain... should be a simple fix
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Top TigerNet [30103]
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Why the rule makes sense.
Sep 30, 2024, 11:36 PM
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From the moment the QB starts his slide he is off limits for any defender to touch him. He essentially declares himself down at that point. If you gave him the extra 2 or 3 yards, that would be equivalent to giving a punt returner who makes a fair catch 3 yards forward from where he caught it.
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I'd settle for where their feet started the slide.
Oct 1, 2024, 12:13 AM
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Knee, hip. Whatever.
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