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Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 21, 2021, 9:32 PM
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Football heads and fans and general opinion having posters - looking at the trend of basically giving the student-athlete what they want: could this start a trend where a kid just trains their body for 3 years and then enters the league?
Please note the conversational topic. I don't personally think it will happen! Just curious as to some of your opinions on the matter! Thank You!
Maurice Clarett maybe was ahead of his time when he challenged this rule. Could this be the next domino to fall? By this I mean; the fact you are prohibiting an abled body person from getting a job because of their age(agism)!
Note: "if you're reading this please understand, I am playing devil's advocate. I get it 100% from a safety standpoint. Yet, I do not get it! As a young Marine - most of the new recruits around me were between 18-22. Potentially going to put their bodies/lives in more than just danger of getting a concussion"!
If these kids want to get paid "TODAY"! Could you one day see this outdated (they might argue) rule thrown out? Now, teams would get to say cultivate a Trevor Lawrence or a Dexter Lawrence for a few seasons on their practice squad! The kid is getting paid until they are ready; if they are able to make it and if the team sees their potential. Most of your 5-star players if they are good in college aren't staying! Heck, these kids are playing a whole season and aren't playing a +1 bowl game because they don't want to risk getting hurt. My thing is why risk getting hurt "ever then"? Just skip it if it's all about the money!
Again, playing the role of D.Advocate. Right now, I could see this changing with the way things are moving!
Tell me why it won't? And why it never will you think? Keeping in mind things like: CTE.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/xfl-salary-structure/1amgsczt2ngnc1cekk66jektlr
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 21, 2021, 9:33 PM
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Good point.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 21, 2021, 9:55 PM
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I can see it changing for sure with the way people think now!
The NCAA and everyone involved with keeping 100% of the money for years (as another poster put it) are to blame(I agree).
Pandora's box has been opened and it's not going to get closed again!
Non-traditional routes to the NFL will become "routine routes"! Somebody; I would think would cash in on it. It would be shamelessly paying a kid who just graduated to play football and train to be an NFL player for 3 years assuming the NFL doesn't change its rules! The NIL boosters would have to match it and it would become a **** show!
It's the "instant gratification" gives me my flowers while I am living generation. Making them wait isn't an option! So, one might have you believe. I am just playing D.Advocate.
I hope it doesn't come to that! I just don't know that I will like the current perversion of it much. At least a team like Clemson in the former system with a composite class of 13th was able to beat all the other schools that had out recruited it per the recruiting services to win an NC! Will that still be possible now?
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 7:10 AM
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I can see it changing for sure with the way people think now!
The NCAA and everyone involved with keeping 100% of the money for years (as another poster put it) are to blame(I agree).
Pandora's box has been opened and it's not going to get closed again!
Non-traditional routes to the NFL will become "routine routes"! Somebody; I would think would cash in on it. It would be shamelessly paying a kid who just graduated to play football and train to be an NFL player for 3 years assuming the NFL doesn't change its rules! The NIL boosters would have to match it and it would become a **** show!
It's the "instant gratification" gives me my flowers while I am living generation. Making them wait isn't an option! So, one might have you believe. I am just playing D.Advocate.
I hope it doesn't come to that! I just don't know that I will like the current perversion of it much. At least a team like Clemson in the former system with a composite class of 13th was able to beat all the other schools that had out recruited it per the recruiting services to win an NC! Will that still be possible now?
Ncaa keeping the money? Hardly. They spend 100% of the money providing for the student athletes. Tuition, gold plated room and board, training, coaches, tutors, psychologist, etc.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 21, 2021, 9:44 PM
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When i went to Clemson we had a Freshman team that was completely separate from the Varsity. Times they are 'a changing...
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 21, 2021, 9:56 PM
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Wow, thanks for posting!
I remember the talk, but hadn't read this piece.
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Love to see some hack attorneys pursue this
Dec 22, 2021, 3:41 PM
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Low-lifes don’t have anything better to do.
Then what does the NFL do if courts say they can’t high school +3 anymore? Easy. Require bachelor’s degrees for draft eligibility.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 21, 2021, 10:13 PM
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The NFL seems quite happy to let colleges spend millions doing the training for them instead of paying for it themselves. They could have a minor league just like MLB.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 7:07 AM
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The NFL seems quite happy to let colleges spend millions doing the training for them instead of paying for it themselves. They could have a minor league just like MLB.
That’s the mission of a college, preparing young people for a career? Right?
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Forget it. I already covered this
Dec 21, 2021, 10:29 PM
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The NFL CBA does not expire until 2030. So the 3-year rule is safe for quite some time.
Besides, the more successful NIL is at generating money for NFL-level college talents, the less pressure there is to consider changing the 3-year rule.
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Frankly, some intetesting points you raise. Nothing
Dec 22, 2021, 4:11 AM
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would surprise me, as I never imagined CFB sinking to its present depths, particularly with the NIL and transfer portal hogwash.
I think the three-year rule could be...could be, that is, a major lawsuit or Congressional tampering waiting to happen, age discrimination being the basis.
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As that article mentioned
Dec 22, 2021, 3:45 PM
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Age discrimination isn’t a thing until you are 40 at the national level. Apparently, NY has something for 18+.
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On the flip side, Joe Burrow needed 5 years of college to become NFL ready
Dec 22, 2021, 6:49 AM
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And he had, what many considered, the best season a college QB has ever had. You can’t have 18 year olds on the same field as Vontaze Burfict. If the NFL brings in teenagers, they have to get rid of the ######## in the league like Burfict, Myles Garrett, Aqim Talib, Richie Incognito and every coach that has been in New Orleans.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 7:04 AM
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NFL won’t draft them without tape, at least too high. As this generation has shown, it’s all about maximizing value and $$$$. They skip the bowl games because their “work” is done and won’t increase the value. A kid training and never playing would maybe get signed as UFA or a let round pick with very small contracts, relative to what a top round pick gets. Never see it happening.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 7:14 AM
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None of them would just workout for 3 years. They need game experience. They need real practice too. They need to mature.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 8:24 AM
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The European model for paying the best youth players to train on reserve squads and engage in many games/matches seems to work. The best players get small contracts until they make the 1st team. Then they get a big contract.
The NCAA exists, as of now. I could be wrong, but it’s entire model has been flawed, and perhaps fraudulent, this entire time.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 9:07 AM
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Even if you only look at 5 star recruits, the vast majority of them don't really excel in college and certainly never end up in the pros. The odds the NFL is suddenly going to be chomping at the bit to draft guys with a 90% washout rate in college is unlikely. Besides its probably better for the players to get a little experience and NIL money in their pockets instead of being a 7th round draft pick and getting cut without ever seeing the field in the pros or college.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 12:53 PM
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Even if you only look at 5 star recruits, the vast majority of them don't really excel in college and certainly never end up in the pros. The odds the NFL is suddenly going to be chomping at the bit to draft guys with a 90% washout rate in college is unlikely. Besides its probably better for the players to get a little experience and NIL money in their pockets instead of being a 7th round draft pick and getting cut without ever seeing the field in the pros or college.
MLB does that exact thing, my friend! They draft players and give them big contracts on the hopes they "go through their farm team and develop"!
If they never make it past triple A ball; I don't think they have to give the money back?
And why the NFL would want to do so is: "same as MLB as I hinted to above - because you get the rights to that potential"! You as an organization get to develop it.
Again, not saying it's something the NFL will want to do! I can see the practice of not hiring employable young people being deemed "WRONG"! Then changed which would basically force a change in structure.
Basketball does it as well - some of the players in the league right now started in the G-league formerly the D(development)-league!
If players are solely worried and in it for the best money - then i'm suggesting the facade and the game of them being student-athletes can just be dropped. And, that opportunity can go to a kid who really wants to be there for the education.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 9:20 AM
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I think the thing that keeps that from happening is the current system works well for the NFL. The colleges develop players for them for FREE. Why pay players and spend money on development when the colleges do that for you. Plus by and large you get better at football by playing football and not just working out.
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 4:41 PM
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Counter point.
Why should the NFL pay a guy to be on the practice squad so they can prepare him, physically and mentally and emotionally, for the NFL when the NCAA will do it for free? What advantage is that to the NFL?
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Re: Beginning of end for 3 Years Removed from HS??
Dec 22, 2021, 6:28 PM
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Counter point.
Why should the NFL pay a guy to be on the practice squad so they can prepare him, physically and mentally and emotionally, for the NFL when the NCAA will do it for free? What advantage is that to the NFL?
Bret - what advantage is it for MLB to draft a kid that can't throw a slider or a change-up? But, he shows the "potential" to be a great pitcher "in H.S. ball"! I linked an example in an earlier post and know of at least 20 more examples. Those kids never made it, but because of their potential, they got paid! They "never-developed" but had they developed that club's advantage would be "exclusive rights to that player"!
As someone mentioned earlier; this is already in play in other sports and countries. Luka Doncic comes to mind as a 14-year-old who was able to develop his game playing pro ball! At least that is what every announcer says, "every single time he plays"! What if he didn't work out? What if: he did what he did and developed only to go for more money in the NBA? Basically dropping that other pro team in Europe that started him that early. It's all about the money! Has been for many players for years!
People say: "College players play harder because they are playing for the love of the game"! That may be the case in some players! I can't deny that.
But, most of these kids have been stars on their local football fields all their life and most have NFL dreams. Playing hard "gets you drafted"! That passion and love people like to trick themselves into believing is pure; "may not be in many cases"! It could be they want to increase their draft stock or get noticed by scouts!
And again BretFSU - I am not saying this is something they would necessarily want to do, but if a pro team passes up drafting the next Tom Brady and another team gets the rights to them - then what? All this is assuming one day: "the right to work in the profession is given to them immediately upon being 18"!
All "again" based on all the most recent changes in college football we "Never Imagined Happening" literally happening now!
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